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Military personnel on Xbox One; Microsoft responds

kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Even if the soldier was stationed in Germany the situation would be like this:

Xbone - Brings his US validated console. Modern Warfare 4 is released. In order to play it he needs to take his copy back to the US... actually, he has to buy it in the US and validate it in the US on his gaming console and then play it.

PS4 - Buy the game in Germany. Play the game.

According to what I've read. I could be wrong.
 

werks

Banned
The claim that MS somehow alienated ALL members of the military whether they are deployed or not is 100% false.

The military member in the Gamasutra article may be speaking from his personal perspective based on the locations and conditions he personally deployed under, but he is clearly oblivious to the conditions of the other deployed locations around the world.

There was a time earlier in this gen where he may have been more accurate is his depictions of military deployed locations. But, he's way off in 2013.

There will be a huge portion of military members and family & friends of miltiary members from different branches of services that can attest to the that the internet, Wifi are easily accessible at even some of the most remote deployed locations.

Not only are members skyping their spouses and kids right from their laptops, many are on Xbox Live and PSN as well.

Some locations have tents or building set up for troops so they specifically can play over Xbox Live through the Wifi when the newer 360s came out. Alot of guys got smart and bought those memory cards to carry their profiles with them, others go through the trouble of downloading their profile.



How did they f-up? When the same 'MWR gaming rooms (just like what I was mentioning above)can still have Xbox Ones and PS4s set up instead?


What is even crazier about Xbox One (if MS really goes through with this) is in those locations that have these particuliar Wifi set-ups. If I understand the policy correctly, it's actually going to be easier for troops to play their games as you can just log on with your profile on the deployed location Xbox One and access all of the games in their library without having to pack all of their games.

But, like I said all deployed locations are not the same, some are very restrictive when it comes to internet access or have very weak Wifi.

This isn't even close to being a military issue, it is more an issue that there are simply situations where people won't be able to access the interent.

Although, MS is laying it all out there and throwing shoutouts to the 360 as an alternative, I'm hoping that they come up with a better solution prior to launch.

LOL.

4 combat deployment in the last 8 years. Internet has always been overpriced and unreliable.

What if I don't want to pay $60 a month for slower than 56k speed? What if bad weather cuts out the satellite? What if someone dies and their is a 48 hour comms blackout?

Fuck that, why the fuck would I buy a Xbone?

Just cause some Air Force douchebag thinks Qatar or Manas is a deployment doesn't make it so.
 

kuroshiki

Member
Even if the soldier was stationed in Germany the situation would be like this:

Xbone - Brings his US validated console. Modern Warfare 4 is released. In order to play it he needs to take his copy back to the US... actually, he has to buy it in the US and validate it in the US on his gaming console and then play it.

PS4 - Buy the game in Germany. Play the game.

According to what I've read. I could be wrong.

No. You're right. The Xbone game has to be verified within US soil if account is within US soil. People can go abroad and play already activated game, but game can't be purchased from foreign soil and activated from US account.


For PS4, just purchase whatever and bam. you are on.
 
The claim that MS somehow alienated ALL members of the military whether they are deployed or not is 100% false.

The military member in the Gamasutra article may be speaking from his personal perspective based on the locations and conditions he personally deployed under, but he is clearly oblivious to the conditions of the other deployed locations around the world.

False. You can at the deployment locations.

Not one single post here claimed it was true for ALL military personal, in fact it's saying the complete opposite. I can tell you from 3 tours in Bosnia, which I served concurrently thank you very much, we did not have internet access for our Xbox.

I traveled to a lot of the bases in Bosnia, and this was true for almost all of them except for the main bases where everyone would transfer through.

My home duty station was in Germany. I was stationed overseas for almost 4 years, and during that time I spent a grand total of 3 months at my home station.

The whole point is, why would I buy a system that has a pretty good chance of not functioning because of lack of an internet connection to whatever shit hole I'll be sent off to.

Also, do you think anyone on this board WANTS to switch consoles FFS? This is a major fucking hassle, in every sense of the word.

Achievements: gone
Familiar Controller: gone
Friends List: gone
Gamertag: gone
Familiarity with system: gone

The list goes on and on. The fact that most everyone here is willing to buy a new system is a testament to the fact how bad it is for us. Believe me, the last thing I would have ever dreamed of us buying a fucking PS4 6 months ago.
 

Verachi

Banned
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That so many people care about this makes the "consoles are dead" articles from a few months ago seem more ridiculous than ever.

If one good thing comes out of the X1, its this. Nobody can tell me that tablets and smartphones are taking over anytime soon after all this. People care way too much about their consoles and games.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
US Navy ships offer no such thing as personal internet while onboard ship. That is over 300,000 people right there.

This doesn't count the multitudes of sailors from other countries as well.

We're not all able to get to the "internet tent".

Again, as I stated there are simply deployed locations that can't access the internet, but this doesn't affect or alienate ALL military members.

You know before you deploy what you can and cannot access and in the case of a gamer who knows he won't get internet while at Sea, then I could definately see why they buy a PS4 to take on the deployment over a console he literally can't while they are out there. But, that goes for anyone anywhere who can't access internet, not just the military.

This is just an area where Sony has a huge advantage by keeping everything the same.
 
Again, as I stated there are simply deployed locations that can't access the internet, but this doesn't affect or alienate ALL military members.

You know before you deploy what you can and cannot access and in the case of a gamer who knows he won't get internet while at Sea, then I could definately see why they buy a PS4 to take on the deployment over a console he literally can't while they are out there. But, that goes for anyone anywhere who can't access internet, not just the military.

This is just an area where Sony has a huge advantage by keeping everything the same.

Not all, just a few hundred thousand, sounds fantastic.
 
If one good thing comes out of the X1, its this. Nobody can tell me that tablets and smartphones are taking over anytime soon after all this. People care way too much about their consoles and games.

Amen to this. I'm so sick of Forbes, Motley Fool, and Yahoo constantly publishing this trash. The only saving grace is how everyone in the comments sections rips these articles to shreds.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
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This is pretty much the best way to explain how utterly apologetic and asinine what you said is.

There are clearly many service members who aren't able to get reliable connections unless you'd like to personally dispute the numerous first hand accounts from various service members.

Nah. It pretty much explains how you didn't read the entire post.

But, like I said all deployed locations are not the same, some are very restrictive when it comes to internet access or have very weak Wifi. .
 

MrMephistoX

Gold Member
And who are these people? Be specific. Or are you just creating strawmen to knock down with your extraordinary arguments? We're discussing the current situation regarding next gen drm, not Sony's shit from years ago. Way I see it, you're just trying to dismiss valid arguments against MS by pointing out flaws in another company.


Sony is also a very different company with Kaz at the helm and is not as siloed as it once was. Microsoft on the other hand has had the same CEO basically running the company for the last 17 years and his strategy has always been to buy into a market and dominate it. There's a great Vanity Fair piece about it. This is what Microsoft has always been a profit first marketing driven company managed by spreadsheet. 360 was an aberration they had a great team of gamers running things with little oversight at the start but as last gen progressed the suits took over and Xbox One is the end result: the Trojan Horse. They took a great product perhaps the only Microsoft product in history that people genuinely loved and absolutely betrayed that affection.
 
Nah. It pretty much explains how you didn't read the entire post.

The line you quoted has no relevance and plus I read just fine, though apparently you may have problems reading given you've skipped over several gaffers and service members who gave first hand accounts of such. Or maybe you just chose to completely skip over them for convenience. Once again, it's clear this will be a problem for many deployed service members who aren't on larger bases, which if you think that was what we were talking about you're sadly mistaken.
 

FSLink

Banned
I'm also active duty Navy and although I'm fortunate enough to be stationed in a place with fairly reliable internet, that could change in the future and my fellow sailors who are deployed out at sea don't have the same luxury. Xbox tends to be the system of choice for the many people I know who are also serving. (and was mine personally until late gen but that's just because I'm a JRPG guy. :p)
 
LOL.
Just cause some Air Force douchebag thinks Qatar or Manas is a deployment doesn't make it so.

lol! I'll remember that the next time I'm drinking a beer in the hot tub in Qatar.

It really is amazing how the XBone looks worse literally every day now.
 
The claim that MS somehow alienated ALL members of the military whether they are deployed or not is 100% false.



FACT: Ship based US Navy Sailors have ZERO access to to the internet for video-game consoles including MWR. (That is myself and the fellow in the Gamasutra article) So "MSFT has done fucked up now" is very fitting in our situations.

You cannot rightfully speak for everybody or every location that any military (not just US) is stationed. Stop act like you are ALL KNOWING.

Military's deploy all over the world and there is absolutely no guarantee that there will be internet access. So why should a service member purchase an Xbox One if there is that huge unknown? I tell you what I will not pack that thing up and carry it around on deployment if it is just a brick. There is no guarantee there will be an MWR gaming "tent" to login into your home Xbox One Live account.
 
Everyone knew this was coming. Which makes it even more amazing as Microsoft has to know that they had a large fan base there...

I am waiting for university campus student backlash now!

Am I the only on who had trouble back in the original Xbox days?
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a problem for the Xbox 360 but my friends and I could never get through the firewalls for Xbox live back in the day.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
Not one single post here claimed it was true for ALL military personal, in fact it's saying the complete opposite. I can tell you from 3 tours in Bosnia, which I served concurrently thank you very much, we did not have internet access for our Xbox.

I traveled to a lot of the bases in Bosnia, and this was true for almost all of them except for the main bases where everyone would transfer through.

My home duty station was in Germany. I was stationed overseas for almost 4 years, and during that time I spent a grand total of 3 months at my home station.

The whole point is, why would I buy a system that has a pretty good chance of not functioning because of lack of an internet connection to whatever shit hole I'll be sent off to.

Also, do you think anyone on this board WANTS to switch consoles FFS? This is a major fucking hassle, in every sense of the word.

Achievements: gone
Familiar Controller: gone
Friends List: gone
Gamertag: gone
Familiarity with system: gone

The list goes on and on. The fact that most everyone here is willing to buy a new system is a testament to the fact how bad it is for us. Believe me, the last thing I would have ever dreamed of us buying a fucking PS4 6 months ago.


I was just commenting on the article in the OP where it said:

'Their surprising decision to require the Xbox One to receive a message from the “mother ship” every 24 hours has already been lighting up the internet for a myriad of reasons. But, the reason that I am so infuriated about it is that I, and my brothers and sisters in arms, will not ever be able to play Xbox One when deployed or on detachment...Microsoft has single handedly alienated the entire military, and not just the U.S. military, the militaries of the entire world.'
 

eastmen

Banned
No. You're right. The Xbone game has to be verified within US soil if account is within US soil. People can go abroad and play already activated game, but game can't be purchased from foreign soil and activated from US account.


For PS4, just purchase whatever and bam. you are on.

Deployed soldier just gets his mother / brother / wife / gf / father whatever to buy the game in the usa activate it on the home xbox one and then he downloads it where ever he is with all his games actually


This is really a mountain out of a mole hill. We don't have the ful ldetails yet and I'm sure ms will come up with a system that will allow service men and women to be able to access their games. MS just isn't ready to announce it yet.
 
What is even crazier about Xbox One (if MS really goes through with this) is in those locations that have these particuliar Wifi set-ups. If I understand the policy correctly, it's actually going to be easier for troops to play their games as you can just log on with your profile on the deployed location Xbox One and access all of the games in their library without having to pack all of their games.

I love how I have been using this "crazy" kind of technology for the last uh 7 years or so?

Not all of the features and decisions are a bad idea. There is good stuff there.

The part that pisses me off is the fact that every swallows the Microsoft bs that these restrictions are somehow necessary or integral to their new tech.

It's bullshit pure and simple.
 

BigDug13

Member
Deployed soldier just gets his mother / brother / wife / gf / father whatever to buy the game in the usa activate it on the home xbox one and then he downloads it where ever he is with all his games actually


This is really a mountain out of a mole hill. We don't have the ful ldetails yet and I'm sure ms will come up with a system that will allow service men and women to be able to access their games. MS just isn't ready to announce it yet.

Well if you do it this way, you're now on the remote system and you have to check in hourly instead of 24 hours.

And I'm willing to bet that region locking is in place for remote access to libraries from overseas.
 

FSLink

Banned
I was just commenting on the article in the OP where it said:

'Their surprising decision to require the Xbox One to receive a message from the “mother ship” every 24 hours has already been lighting up the internet for a myriad of reasons. But, the reason that I am so infuriated about it is that I, and my brothers and sisters in arms, will not ever be able to play Xbox One when deployed or on detachment...Microsoft has single handedly alienated the entire military, and not just the U.S. military, the militaries of the entire world.'

It's a bit of a hyperbole sure, but I'm not exactly pleased that the people who are in less fortunate conditions with worse internet can't take a break from work and play on their Xbox One every once in awhile.

Let's just not focus on the wording, and recognize there's an actual problem at hand that Microsoft really should address properly.

As far as the donations thing (PS+ subs or PS4s), I really don't feel it's necessary since like someone pointed out, most single military members on deployment usually make enough BAH/deployment pay/etc to just get it themselves, but if something comes out of it, I'd be glad to donate as well.
 

kitch9

Banned
I'll bet there's some twitchy asses at Insomniac Games recently....

In fact I would not want to be an exclusive dev for the Bone right now full stop.

Shit.
 

Sojgat

Member
I was just commenting on the article in the OP where it said:

You seem to be arguing semantics of the word "entire", and I think you're missing the point.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if it won't literally affect everyone serving in the military, it will affect many, and could affect any. You might say the statement is hyberbole, but the spirit of what is being said is correct.
 

mr2xxx

Banned
The claim that MS somehow alienated ALL members of the military whether they are deployed or not is 100% false.
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Problem is military personnel move all the time and have no idea where they will go and its Internet status. Why even risk it when the PS4 provides a great alternative without the hassles?
 
Problem is military personnel move all the time and have no idea where they will go and its Internet status. Why even risk it when the PS4 provides a great alternative without the hassles?

The problem is worse than that.

If the Military buys the PS4....they friends and family they play with will also buy a PS4 to game together when they do have internet or get home. To support the device that works for there loved ones.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
FACT: Ship based US Navy Sailors have ZERO access to to the internet for video-game consoles including MWR. (That is me and the fellow in the Gamasutra article) So "MSFT has done fucked up now" is very fitting in my situation.

You cannot rightfully speak for everybody or every location that any military (not just US) is stationed. Stop act like you are ALL KNOWING.

Nah. Never claimed to speak for ALL military members. But the OP statement did. Just pointed out that there are many deployed locations that have internet and 360 hooked to Live even as we speak.

Did not realize you were talking about the boat in that statement about particuliar 'MWR location'.
 
Deployed soldier just gets his mother / brother / wife / gf / father whatever to buy the game in the usa activate it on the home xbox one and then he downloads it where ever he is with all his games actually
didn't realize you could download stuff on a boat in the ocean, or in the middle of the desert with piddly internet service.
 

BigDug13

Member
didn't realize you could download stuff on a boat in the ocean, or in the middle of the desert with piddly internet service.

And even if you did, region locking probably exists to restrict shared games access inter regionally. And then he would still be subject to now a 1 hour check instead of a 24 hour one.
 

C.Dark.DN

Banned
Ps3 rooting behind, there needs to be military accounts or something. Ffs. They deserve to play halo and whatever they want.
 

DEADEVIL

Member
You seem to be arguing semantics of the word "entire", and I think you're missing the point.

Anyway, it doesn't matter if it won't literally affect everyone serving in the military, it will affect many, and could affect any. You might say the statement is hyberbole, but the spirit of what is being said is correct.

Not arguing semantics at all.

It's safe to say when you see 'entire military' means 'entire military'. Which is why Rachel Maddow tweeted it was well.

The statement is definately hyperbolic, but didn't miss the point at all.
 

Totobeni

An blind dancing ho
Military personnel will be able to take their Xbox One and play their games with them without an issue as long as the game has been ‘activated’ once in the U.S. Your games go with you and play, no issues

wow, so millions of people in many third world/developing countries with no official MS or Xbox live support can't even import ntsc Xbox One and games like what was with 360, this is like cutting a very big market.

what the hell Microsoft is doing?
 

-Plasma Reus-

Service guarantees member status
But guys, its all about the games right? Those are the only things that matter. If they show games at E3, then things will change!
 

madmackem

Member
wow, so millions of people in many third world/developing countries with no official MS or Xbox live support can't even import ntsc Xbox One and games like what was with 360, this is like cutting a very big market.

what the hell Microsoft is doing?

Yeah that reads as an ip check when you first reg the games, that would mean anyone not in the 21 countries is boned as importing is out the window unless you pay for vpn i guess.
 

mAcOdIn

Member
I think this is a pretty "weird" situation here, one somewhat new. There was a time when you couldn't even play a game console, I'm sure there are many job titles that still can't bring something like that, or get one when they arrive, to a deployment. Further, things like MWR tents and the like are neat but not all encompassing for sure and even if they were everywhere doesn't cover every gamer deployed, or when they themselves want to play.

I don't think that Microsoft actively is against the military on this. What you have with the military is a vast array or military and civilian people put abroad in wildly different situations which have varying degrees of ability to play games on their down time let alone connect to the internet.

The real issue then is not so much the military, even though I myself am from the Army, I think this is mainly a situation unique to the United States with its large Navy and multiple overseas bases and constant wartime deployments that you just don't get anywhere else. I'm not even sure it should be expected or demanded that a company or service directly provide means for soldiers to circumvent stuff like this.

That said, what I think the real problem is then is this situation is that again things like a 24 hour check in and the like have absolutely no value to the end consumer in the first place. It has no value to the consumer who has constant internet and is only a pain in the ass to anyone without a guaranteed connection and is now a large obstacle to gamers in special circumstances, whether this be military deployments, volunteer work, exchange programs and the like.

Connecting it negatively to the military is fun because everyone supports the troops, naturally, even when they really don't and voice their support in some kind of idiotic condescending way, and like most I like some good mud slinging but the reality is that this is bad for the consumer period.

People are an accepting bunch, if there was a real and compelling reason why something can not work somewhere people accept it, if there was a real reason why something could work but you wouldn't want to use it anyways because what doesn't work is too much and drags the whole product down then again people would accept it, with the Xbox one you don't get that. There are two ways of looking at things, you could say an online only shooter or MMORPG is hampered by its reliance on an always on connection and needing a good ping but on the flip side in exchange for those requirements it allows you to play with people across the world, provide updates, keep stats and things like that. A mandatory check in every day, disc based activation, region specific ip activation, I can tell you how those features inhibit people, stop them from playing a game, what I can't and Microsoft can't tell you is what those add to the game or experience and why they must be mandatory across the entire system.

This is a weird world that's changing quickly. Many of us have seen jobs where you realistically had nothing to do in your off time change to now having tons of stuff to do and while in the past you may have been stuck just reading an old book over and over or throwing darts or playing cards counting down the time until you could actually go somewhere else and do something you now have all these neat little toys you can bring along with you, whether it be personal computers, game machines, tvs, whatever. I don't believe there's an inherent right that these things be made to allow operation all across the world but for the life of me I can't imagine why not either.

Microsoft, and their supporters, clearly have a different view of the always connected digital world that I do. My view has become one where I want an always connected digital world to mean that quite literally technology continues to work for me where ever I'm at, that I could be in the US today and maybe vacation somewhere else or see a friend in another country and it all still works, barring you can supply it electricity(damn you world for not having a standard). I want technology to enable people to see the world and stay connected while doing so, to not have to give anything up, even if what they're giving up is something ultimately silly like a game or internet, Microsoft on the other hand seems to tell me that people should stay at home and be content seeing and meeting people from the comfort of your home, that they've no intention of making technology that works for me but if we ourselves work to always stay connected what little Microsoft does do will remain working for us. It's the opposite of where I want the world to move. At a time when the Iron Curtain has fallen, people are embracing more open borders, where incomes have risen(excluding this recession of course) and more people can travel abroad, where traveling abroad is becoming more convenient and faster, I finally feel that as a species were starting to come together and now they build this digital cage for us in its place. For no fucking reason.

Luckily it's just a games console so it's easy not to buy it it's just I think the mentality behind it is backwards and don't want to see these type measures gain traction in more important products.
 
Yeah that reads as an ip check when you first reg the games, that would mean anyone not in the 21 countries is boned as importing is out the window unless you pay for vpn i guess.

It's been confirmed that that's exactly what it is. It's just another way to tighten control even more.
 
wow, so millions of people in many third world/developing countries with no official MS or Xbox live support can't even import ntsc Xbox One and games like what was with 360, this is like cutting a very big market.

what the hell Microsoft is doing?
Microsoft is just boosting tourism to certain countries to help their economies.
 

Troll

Banned
What happened to this?

While an internet connection will be required for the console, the company is also experimenting with special exemption codes that could be given to select people in very particular, internet-free situations, like active-duty soldiers serving in war zones, sources tell Polygon.
 

akira28

Member
What happened to this?

If they did that, that would be even worse. You can't give exceptions to your hypocrisy. That would be even more hypocritical. We all know we don't actually need this 'always online' bullshit, but if they did that, it would actually prove them to be liars.
 
I think this is a pretty "weird" situation here, one somewhat new. There was a time when you couldn't even play a game console, I'm sure there are many job titles that still can't bring something like that, or get one when they arrive, to a deployment. Further, things like MWR tents and the like are neat but not all encompassing for sure and even if they were everywhere doesn't cover every gamer deployed, or when they themselves want to play.

I don't think that Microsoft actively is against the military on this. What you have with the military is a vast array or military and civilian people put abroad in wildly different situations which have varying degrees of ability to play games on their down time let alone connect to the internet.

The real issue then is not so much the military, even though I myself am from the Army, I think this is mainly a situation unique to the United States with its large Navy and multiple overseas bases and constant wartime deployments that you just don't get anywhere else. I'm not even sure it should be expected or demanded that a company or service directly provide means for soldiers to circumvent stuff like this.

That said, what I think the real problem is then is this situation is that again things like a 24 hour check in and the like have absolutely no value to the end consumer in the first place. It has no value to the consumer who has constant internet and is only a pain in the ass to anyone without a guaranteed connection and is now a large obstacle to gamers in special circumstances, whether this be military deployments, volunteer work, exchange programs and the like.

Connecting it negatively to the military is fun because everyone supports the troops, naturally, even when they really don't and voice their support in some kind of idiotic condescending way, and like most I like some good mud slinging but the reality is that this is bad for the consumer period.

People are an accepting bunch, if there was a real and compelling reason why something can not work somewhere people accept it, if there was a real reason why something could work but you wouldn't want to use it anyways because what doesn't work is too much and drags the whole product down then again people would accept it, with the Xbox one you don't get that. There are two ways of looking at things, you could say an online only shooter or MMORPG is hampered by its reliance on an always on connection and needing a good ping but on the flip side in exchange for those requirements it allows you to play with people across the world, provide updates, keep stats and things like that. A mandatory check in every day, disc based activation, region specific ip activation, I can tell you how those features inhibit people, stop them from playing a game, what I can't and Microsoft can't tell you is what those add to the game or experience and why they must be mandatory across the entire system.

This is a weird world that's changing quickly. Many of us have seen jobs where you realistically had nothing to do in your off time change to now having tons of stuff to do and while in the past you may have been stuck just reading an old book over and over or throwing darts or playing cards counting down the time until you could actually go somewhere else and do something you now have all these neat little toys you can bring along with you, whether it be personal computers, game machines, tvs, whatever. I don't believe there's an inherent right that these things be made to allow operation all across the world but for the life of me I can't imagine why not either.

Microsoft, and their supporters, clearly have a different view of the always connected digital world that I do. My view has become one where I want an always connected digital world to mean that quite literally technology continues to work for me where ever I'm at, that I could be in the US today and maybe vacation somewhere else or see a friend in another country and it all still works, barring you can supply it electricity(damn you world for not having a standard). I want technology to enable people to see the world and stay connected while doing so, to not have to give anything up, even if what they're giving up is something ultimately silly like a game or internet, Microsoft on the other hand seems to tell me that people should stay at home and be content seeing and meeting people from the comfort of your home, that they've no intention of making technology that works for me but if we ourselves work to always stay connected what little Microsoft does do will remain working for us. It's the opposite of where I want the world to move. At a time when the Iron Curtain has fallen, people are embracing more open borders, where incomes have risen(excluding this recession of course) and more people can travel abroad, where traveling abroad is becoming more convenient and faster, I finally feel that as a species were starting to come together and now they build this digital cage for us in its place. For no fucking reason.

Luckily it's just a games console so it's easy not to buy it it's just I think the mentality behind it is backwards and don't want to see these type measures gain traction in more important products.

Fantastic post and reasoned analysis. Agreed with everything.

If there was an actual benefit to the check-in, we'd be okay with it. And if the benefit was that amazing, many of us wouldn't really care that the troops couldn't use it. There's no obligation that says a device has to work everywhere. It's just that this imposition is entirely arbitrary.

I also agree about having our technology work for us. That's what's great about online gaming. The internet is working for us to connect us. But Microsoft wants to connect the XBox One, not to have the web work for us, but to have it work for them.
 

akira28

Member
control versus freedom, with connectibility as the battleground. They want to sell the connectability, but it doesn't actually allow us any extra freedom, just gives Microsoft a better way to digitally control their product usage.
 
It's been confirmed that that's exactly what it is. It's just another way to tighten control even more.

Confirmed? No.

It's been denied by Microsoft that there is an IP check in the other thread to at least 4 different people. Grey importing (with LIVE and full games/services) will still work as with the 360, provided you set your region correctly.
 
Microsoft survived a scandal of broken consoles to become #1 in the US and selling the lion's share of software.

Tell me what Sony has done between then and now to make this any different.

Are you fucking kidding, Speevy? Sony went from having the top selling systems of all time to date (the PS2) to struggling just in this generation, mostly due to their blunders at launch. You seriously think the same can't happen to MS? This screw up is far more serious than "$599 US DOLLARS!" Sony is positioning their system as: cheaper, more powerful, region free, and not having DRM that treats the user as a hardened criminal requiring constant surveillance. That appeals to the average console gamer.
 
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