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Yeah, I made the workbench. I just didn't know where to get a stick. So a stick is two planks?zaidr said:
Also, fucking hell. I just got killed by a zombie while running from another swimming zombie. Geeze! I hate night!!! And I didn't know time kept going when I opened the inventory.
...? He just mentioned Dead Rising 2 as a contrast against Minecraft, not a comparison.Twig said:
Try the free classic version on minecraft.net (when the website is up) and join a couple of multiplayer servers. Currently, survival multiplayer is kinda similar to that, in the sense that people build huge things together (and there's the danger of griefing if there's not a good admin). Instead of having unlimited resources, a survival multiplayer server might require you to mine things and craft to build. Eventually, survival multiplayer should feature enemies attacking players, etc. Also, survival multiplayer and singleplayer have new features like minecraft and redstone switches that the classic version doesn't.zaidr said:
Yes, alpha is the same as survival. Oh, and time keeps going if you leave the inventory screen open and alt-tab, so that can be a good way to pass nights early in the game if you don't like mining dangerously under your house. :lol
But that would take a really long time to change! And no, currently a winter world is always winter with snow and ice, and a normal world is always normal. BUT, supposedly around the end of this month we will be getting biomes, so different parts of the world may be different environments!Jasoco said:
I don't know of a way to replant flowers (though that would be nice). You need to hit tree leaves with your fist (or a block of wood or something) to destroy them, and occasionally that will drop saplings that you can plant as someone else described.Jasoco said:
I thought he just meant, Dear Rising 2 is meant to be a game about killing zombies, per se, while Minecraft is a game about other stuff that happens to feature killing zombies.Twig said:
*edit* Oh snap, WEBSTER'D
*edit again* http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hoe seems to indicate that using it can give you seeds to plant wheat. See the article there on seeds for more farming details.
I think it's safe to assume that, even though he made that awful suggestion, he's smart enough to know that people who like "challenge" in Minecraft aren't specifically talking about killing monsters. If it turns out, he's not, then I will further explain the key differences between the games.Blizzard said:
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zaidr said:
The eventual idea is to have multiplayer be the same as single-player, but just with multiple people roaming around. Right now it's like single-player, but with missing/broken features. You can still build things, but from what I understand, certain things don't work (stoves, minecarts, monsters can't hurt you, etc).
You can't speed up the flow of time, but you can stop the game from pausing when it's in the background by opening up the inventory, accessing a chest, stove, or crafting table before alt-tabbing to something else.
EDIT: Ouch. Super-beaten. That's what I get for actually typing my reply 15 minutes after starting it.
Tree growth (as well as crop growth) is somewhat random. Trees usually take about 2-4 in-game days to grow.
You can replant flowers by right-clicking on the ground when you're holding one.
The wiki is a pretty good resource on items, and http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Hoe seems to indicate that using it can give you seeds to plant wheat. See the article there on seeds (http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Seeds) for more farming details.zaidr said:
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The update sounds awesome, can't wait! Perfect timing on the announcement, too. (Not that he really owes it to the overly entitled segment of his community, but this should help make up for the lack of recent weekly updates.)
Hell world sounds like a real game-changer, and it's a clever way to address the travel issue while adding new avenues for challenge and exploration. I hope construction works as normal down there... it would be awesome to build a hell railway that can quickly cart you miles across the "real world". I also envision people creating transportation hubs with ideal teleport locations marked with signs.
Not sure how I feel about the torch thing... but it all comes down to balance (how long the temp torches last, how much perm torches cost, and whether he tweaks the cost of temp torches to make up for their nerf). The current torches are the most overpowered item in the game IMO, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
Looking forward to seeing how he addresses difficulty and risk/reward, too.
Hell world sounds like a real game-changer, and it's a clever way to address the travel issue while adding new avenues for challenge and exploration. I hope construction works as normal down there... it would be awesome to build a hell railway that can quickly cart you miles across the "real world". I also envision people creating transportation hubs with ideal teleport locations marked with signs.
Not sure how I feel about the torch thing... but it all comes down to balance (how long the temp torches last, how much perm torches cost, and whether he tweaks the cost of temp torches to make up for their nerf). The current torches are the most overpowered item in the game IMO, so I'm willing to keep an open mind.
Looking forward to seeing how he addresses difficulty and risk/reward, too.
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zaidr said:
No, first save slot was snow for me.
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Only that you can't get the items that are only dropped by enemies (gunpowder, string, etc.)Jasoco said:
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This man is making more than $100,000 a day, developing an INDIE VIDEOGAME.
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It's true. As much as there is to learn from this game on a design level, there's a lot to learn about the business of it too.
Players will pay for incomplete games if the base feature-set is good enough, free updates are promised, and they only have to pay once for the life of the game.
It's a great model for indie developers, though I wonder if it would work with any other kind of game.
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Torches going out sounds incredibly annoying.
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IMO it sounds like the proper progression. Start with torches, take them with you into uncertain area's, replace torches with lanterns once you've decided its part of an area you'd like to explore.
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I imagine that most games wouldn't be nearly as interesting this early in development. Seems like a lot of developers have implied that most games are kind of crap until the major polishing toward the end of development. I think Minecraft works because it's open-ended enough that people can keep creating their own fun, and most games don't really have that. Games with set, designed levels would be especially poorly suited to this business model, I would think.civilstrife said:
Cortex Command has been using the same model since before Minecraft, actually, but it hasn't taken off to nearly the same extent (though their updates haven't been as frequent, either).
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Jasoco said:
Are you sure it's coal you have? I'm guessing you actually have a piece of flint and are mistaking it for coal. Flint can be found randomly by digging gravel, whereas coal looks like normal stone but with black chunks in it. Also you need a pickaxe to get coal. It's one stick with one coal on top of it.
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Lanterns is a good alternative, but I agree. I said it awhile back, when Notch had mentioned that he wanted torches to use fuel, that I think it would be a poor move and nothing short of tedious to manage. Torches are not like furnaces, where you only need to fuel them when you actually need to use them. Torches are the backbone of navigation through mines, caves, and the outside when its dark, and I dont doubt players have already gotten into a habit of using them frequently.
It's going to be a pain in the arse to replace or refuel every single torch in the gameworld.
I'm thinking of lowering the difficulty temporarily while I explore this one insane cave that killed me and made me lose pretty much everything I had. Partly because I'm just sick of that cave now and partly because there's that one place where a ton of monsters easily spawn and it's really hard to lay a single torch without being raped in the ass by arrows.Accidentus said:
I agree that the game is easy most of the time, but as someone who hasn't found anything above iron yet (this is legitimate because the game doesn't have any difficulty curve), I can get into really tight situations. Harder monsters and temporary torches will make those few situations a nightmare.
EatChildren said:
That's why you don't use torches to do that, you use laterns. Torches will be used for short term lighting, (spelunking, mining, exploring, beginning of game). He hasn't even said how long they'll last, could be 3 in days in game which would be plenty for those activities.
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What about all of the torches already in the game?Ferrio said:
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I know. I'm more thinking about the mass of torches I have in place, especially on servers, and how annoying its going to be to replace them all :lol.
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You won't have to replace all the torches you've already placed. They'll go out, and that's the way it is. If you want to re-explore those places bring some flint and steel.
It just breathes more life into the game world. Infinite torches always seemed a bit ridiculous to me.
Yes, you'll end up playing a bit differently to adjust for it, but that's the point. We're not playing the game as it's supposed to be played right now.
It just breathes more life into the game world. Infinite torches always seemed a bit ridiculous to me.
Yes, you'll end up playing a bit differently to adjust for it, but that's the point. We're not playing the game as it's supposed to be played right now.
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