Whoever is responsible for the public transportation system in Atlanta and the way that it's been set up over the years needs to be dropkicked in the face.
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MLB '12-'13 OffSeason OT: Magic is the New Market Inefficiency
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1994: State considers using Olympic money to set up a high speed rail from Marietta and the northeast suburbs to Atlanta.
"Oh dear God, what about the...people downtown?"
Nuked.
2011: State considers using a 1% marginal sales tax hike to build out public transportation around the perimeter.
"Oh dear God, what about the...people downtown?"
Nuked.
2012: Federal Government says, "Fuck you, Rick Scott." after the Governor refuses to take stimulus funds that the state had spent 11 years to secure (which started with a public vote to approve high speed rails between the five major cities back in 2000). This when the state is, of course, in financial straits.
Federal government distributes the roughly $2 billion to 15 different states - with Georgia getting a big chunk of change to build out public transportation.
Tune in next year...to see the Georgia State Congress shit itself yet again! At least Chicago gets shit done eventually after every alderman gets paid.
Mr. Enigma
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Nightengale: Braves now front-runners to acquire Justin Upton; Rangers says price is too steep
Let's do it, Wren.
I wonder if Wren could get him for a package of Gilmartin, Graham and Ahmed. Graham looks to be a good one though, but considering the braves depth I can part with him.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/11/8/3620974/atlanta-braves-top-20-prospects-for-2013
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/11/8/3620974/atlanta-braves-top-20-prospects-for-2013
Mr. Enigma
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Supposedly the D-Backs want a reliever. There's been talks about Venters or O'Flaherty being in the deal.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Dallas Morning News reporting Rangers presented their final offer and was rejected, hence the Seattle deal.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Mystery Team
Not again, Stark. Not again!
Mr. Enigma
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Fuck off, Phillies.
I don't even know what they would offer.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Considering its Kevin Towers, probably a couple middle relievers and Papelbon.
Mr. Enigma
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Nooo, not Gearrin.
What the fuck Jack Z!?
Mr. Enigma
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Zduriencik has turned out to be a fraud anyways.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Yeah Jack Z is basically Dayton Moore with credibility for some reason.
Mariners have put up 3 of the most historically putrid offenses all back to back to back.
But Jason Bay will solve everything.
Mariners have put up 3 of the most historically putrid offenses all back to back to back.
But Jason Bay will solve everything.
Mr. Enigma
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He's the scout that recommended Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, and just about every other young player to the Brewers that turned out to be a hit.
Now as a GM, almost everything he's touched with the Mariners has been a bust.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Anyone read this yet? Really really long article on SBNation:
Bonds played by the rules - How baseball insiders are punishing players for the steroid culture they helped create
Bonds played by the rules - How baseball insiders are punishing players for the steroid culture they helped create
They voted against a sales tax increase to help finance one.
But the federal government gave Georgia free money...that came out of Florida's hands even!
Avon Barksdale
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Sounds like Georgians haven't really changed their stance on public transportation after 40 years.
The local joke is that MARTA stands for Moving African-americans Rapidly Through Atlanta.
I shit you not. This inspite of the fact that a decent amount of Alpharetta-ites actually use MARTA to commute to work.
That's silly. He was trading a bunch of prospects for a guy who was an MVP candidate 2 years ago. The bust rate of pitching prospects suggests that its more likely that NONE of those guys is ever good at the major league level than one of them ever being a star.
you wouldnt do that deal for a 25 year old all star?
this, you are trading unknowns for a bonafide star who expects to get better as he hits his prime.
Now that Taijuan Walker was definitely the final piece ... no fucking way. I (like many pro scouts) have high hopes for Taijuan Walker.
Justin Upton is no sure thing. All the potential in the world yes, but he has been pretty inconsistent in his career.
If it was Stanton? Hell yeah I'd do it ... and probably be ok with throwing Hultzen in the deal as well.
Why do you blame Jack Z for Bill Bavasi destroying our system?
Yeah Smoak hasn't panned out ... but we got Cliff Lee for peanuts and flipped him for Smoak and John Jaso.
He traded JJ Putz + garbage for Franklin Gutierrez (who put up 6.2 WAR in his 1st season in Seattle but was derailed by injuries .. yeah shit happens) / Jason Vargas (serviceable while in Seattle, who was flipped in the last year of his contract for the final year of Kendry Morales contract).
Obtained Montero for Pineda who he sold high on. Pineda may never be the same ... who knows how Campos will turn out, Montero is only 22.
Obtained Brendan Ryan (while his offense is putrid, he stills puts up 3+ WAR both seasons in Seattle so far) for a garbage A Ball reliever in Maikel Cleto (who?)
Drafted Ackley and Seager .... Seager is holding his own with potential to improve and I really don't think Ackley will be a complete bust.
And now he has been responsible for putting together one of the best minor league systems in the MLB.
The ONLY thing I am mad about is the signing of Chone Figgins ... but good god I never saw a collapse of that level coming.
Comparing Jack Z to Dayton Moore is an insult and you sir are retarded. It isn't his fault that highly touted prospects have not lived up to their potential.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Major league results matter.
Mariners offense has been historically awful. 3 straight years of a team OBP under .300
The last team in baseball before the 2010/2011/2012 Mariners to do that -once- were the Braves in 1989.
Mariners offense has been historically awful. 3 straight years of a team OBP under .300
The last team in baseball before the 2010/2011/2012 Mariners to do that -once- were the Braves in 1989.
Congrats. Shit happens. It isn't Jack Z's fault (besides Figgins). Players have to play.
You're placing the blame in the wrong area.
The M's wouldn't be in the same situation if Adam Jones was their LF'er with a healthy Guti in CF (shit happens) and Chris Tillman (though he just pitched to his potential last year) was in the rotation. Fuck you Bavasi.
Yes. He isn't a savior or anything great ... but he also isn't bad or Dayton Moore.
We're done talking about the HOF right? Thank god...
Z might not be a bad GM, but the notion that he's a great one is a couple of years stale. In this realm of baseball writing/fandom, agreeing with someone seems to imply that he's really great. I was under the same kind of thinking a few years ago, but the constant poor results have left me thinking that he's really a mixed bag. Don't think he's awful just yet, but not the OMFGAMAZEBALLS GM that people used to.
And re:Smoak, there isn't a soul out there who thought he'd be this bad. He was as close you get to a sure thing as possible according to all the prospect writers I saw.
Z might not be a bad GM, but the notion that he's a great one is a couple of years stale. In this realm of baseball writing/fandom, agreeing with someone seems to imply that he's really great. I was under the same kind of thinking a few years ago, but the constant poor results have left me thinking that he's really a mixed bag. Don't think he's awful just yet, but not the OMFGAMAZEBALLS GM that people used to.
And re:Smoak, there isn't a soul out there who thought he'd be this bad. He was as close you get to a sure thing as possible according to all the prospect writers I saw.
Gutiérrez wasnt a good offensive player even when he was healthy, and who knows what kind of numbers jones puts up if he played half of his games in that stadium. Moving in the walls this year should help a little bit as well as another year of maturity from montero and ackley.
SMoak is toast.
I never said Gutierrez was an offensive monster. In 09 he was a tiny bit better than league average OPS+ wise ... same with his shortened 2012.
If he can do that while providing his elite level of CF defense ... then he ends up with 5-6 WAR like he did in 2009.
Course defensive WAR is weird and hard to judge ... but a healthy Franklin ends up being a less speedy, more power Michael Bourn.
Who the hell wouldn't want that on their team?
captmcblack
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I had a dream in which the Yankees swooped in on Justin Upton and gave me something to talk about in this thread...and then I woke up disappointed.
I can't wait for spring training.
I can't wait for spring training.
Dmncnby2k9
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Agreed, man, agreed
BFIB
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This. At least we have the WBC to look forward to in March.
I find myself watching a lot of Prime 9 on MLBNetwork.
Spring training isn't too far away!
Just think about Joe West and Angel Hernandez, and it'll keep your impulses at bay.