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Jest Chillin

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AstroZombie said:
Marquardt actually had an exemption for TRT beforehand, that's why the New Jersey Athletic Commission was monitoring his levels so closely prior to his fight and the fact that you don't know this means I probably shouldn't even respond to the rest of your post but here goes. Vitor cleared his TRT with the UFC through Marc Ratner who acts as commissioner when they do international shows and they were checking his levels periodically the same way Nevada does with TRT guys. His levels were fine or else we would have heard otherwise (maybe the tests haven't come back yet from the Rockhold fight though). Keith Kizer has gone on record saying that since he got popped for using an actual steroid in Nevada when he fought for PRIDE in 06 that the Nevada commission might not provide him with a TRT exemption if he applied for one in that state. It's not "the US commission", it's Nevada. This quote actually came from Kizer after Vitor had already taken the steps to get approved for TRT by Marc Ratner's outfit which normally does whatever they think Nevada would do under most circumstances, if not going above and beyond what Nevada does. However since they already approved Vitor and have been testing him per Dana, they're not going to go back on their decision based on an off-the-cuff quote from Keith Kizer after the fact. Of course it wouldn't be good for him to even try fighting again in Nevada now that he knows Kizer isn't looking to play ball with him but even then I bet he would backpedal a bit on that statement if there was a big Anderson/Vitor rematch that could take place in his state. That's a lot of money coming from a lot of Brazilians.
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Actually, Marquardt was not approved in New Jersey.. Which doesn't even matter since the fight he got cut for was in Pennsylvania.

And I never said it was the "US Commission" but Nevada's commission is pretty much viewed as the premier Commission for Combat sports in the country (to some, in the world) and not many states allow things that Nevada doesn't. So a no from Nevada means not likely pretty much anywhere else.

Marc Ratner running the in-house commission for UFC doesn't mean much. Just because he's a former NSAC Executive Director doesn't mean that he runs things the way the Commission runs them now. Hell the Brazilian Commission has said they're modeled after the NSAC and yet they've given Vitor his TUE. Furthermore I'm not sure where you're getting the info that the UFC or any other Commission "checks periodically" with their TUE fighters because it flies in the face of everything Dana has said about people getting the exemption, jacking up the TRT through camp, then coming down before the pre-fight tests. The only thing they do is test the blood levels a few times to confirm a fighter has Low-T before they issue the exemption then they do pre and post fight tests.

Maybe Kizer would back down if Vitor was in a title fight but from all signs he's more likely to stick to his guns than a Brazilian Commission is to deny a Brazilian fighter their TUE.
 
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A More Normal Bird

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Jest Chillin said:
Yet Vitor got no punishment for the same thing. Bonnar was already finished anyways. He's no longer a draw and was only still in the UFC because of his history.. like Lidell, Griffin, BJ, Hughes, and Franklin.
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Someone on undisclosed TRT could breeze through the testing as long as their T:E ratio was low enough come fight night, because a piss test can't determine levels and they generally only do a CIR analysis to determine if testosterone is natural if the ratio is off and the fighter requests it, for example if someone had a 6.4:1 ratio but was confident it was natural. Steroid metabolites on the other hand can be picked in piss just like weed, which is how Bonnar got caught. So it's not really the same thing, at least technically. That said, who knows what parochial little games are played by the commissions with these sorts of things.
 
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RBelong2Us

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Werdum would get worked so hard by JDS (again) and Cain. Dude looked pretty gas, luckily he faced someone that bails his opponents out by just letting them break his arm.
 
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TheKaeptain

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Who the fuck throws a birthday party in a park in the middle of June. It isn't even 8 am and it's fucking hot. Oh and I don't own shorts. Fuck this weather.
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
I just saw a woman faceplant her child that was sitting in a stoller. Why the fuck do we allow these people to breed?
 
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Host Samurai

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alr1ght said:
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Megaman fetish?
 
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Jest Chillin

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A More Normal Bird said:
Someone on undisclosed TRT could breeze through the testing as long as their T:E ratio was low enough come fight night, because a piss test can't determine levels and they generally only do a CIR analysis to determine if testosterone is natural if the ratio is off and the fighter requests it, for example if someone had a 6.4:1 ratio but was confident it was natural. Steroid metabolites on the other hand can be picked in piss just like weed, which is how Bonnar got caught. So it's not really the same thing, at least technically. That said, who knows what parochial little games are played by the commissions with these sorts of things.
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Undisclosed TRT is what we're assuming Overeem was doing right? Because I've never heard that he even applied for an exemption. And yes, in the case of Bonnar, if it was Anabolic Steroids it's different and I was wrong about that. That being the case though it really isn't a decent comparison to show that Vitor or another Brazilian fighter would get popped for excessive TRT levels in Brazil.

Anyone can feel free to call me a cynic but National Pride is a huge thing for Brazilians in MMA and since CABMMA was literally created specifically for MMA fights I'm weary of how stringent they are/will be when it concerns Natives vs. Non-Natives.
 
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bone_and_sinew

breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
This was the best card in months. I wasn't all that interested in it but I watched it all at home and at work since I was bored. I'm glad I did.
 
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AstroZombie

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Jest Chillin said:
Actually, Marquardt was not approved in New Jersey.. Which doesn't even matter since the fight he got cut for was in Pennsylvania.

And I never said it was the "US Commission" but Nevada's commission is pretty much viewed as the premier Commission for Combat sports in the country (to some, in the world) and not many states allow things that Nevada doesn't. So a no from Nevada means not likely pretty much anywhere else.

Marc Ratner running the in-house commission for UFC doesn't mean much. Just because he's a former NSAC Executive Director doesn't mean that he runs things the way the Commission runs them now. Hell the Brazilian Commission has said they're modeled after the NSAC and yet they've given Vitor his TUE. Furthermore I'm not sure where you're getting the info that the UFC or any other Commission "checks periodically" with their TUE fighters because it flies in the face of everything Dana has said about people getting the exemption, jacking up the TRT through camp, then coming down before the pre-fight tests. The only thing they do is test the blood levels a few times to confirm a fighter has Low-T before they issue the exemption then they do pre and post fight tests.

Maybe Kizer would back down if Vitor was in a title fight but from all signs he's more likely to stick to his guns than a Brazilian Commission is to deny a Brazilian fighter their TUE.
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/30/2252230/nate-marquardt-ufc-on-versus-4-mma-news-saga-timeline

Nate had a TUE prior to that fight which is why he was being tested so frequently. They yanked it because his numbers were too high apparently.
 
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Jest Chillin

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AstroZombie said:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/6/30/2252230/nate-marquardt-ufc-on-versus-4-mma-news-saga-timeline

Nate had a TUE prior to that fight which is why he was being tested so frequently. They yanked it because his numbers were too high apparently.
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The NJSAC stated that they let him fight because he was "going through the process." Whether or not someone wants to call that a "provisional license" is just a matter of terminology. The final decision wasn't made but the Commission gave him the benefit of the doubt and let him fight.

The article you linked is citing Meltzer but the only article I can find from Meltzer doesn't mention a lot of things in the timeline including the whole "passed his original 3 tests but then was tested again." So it seems to me that the article is trying to correlate aspects from Meltzer, Dana, Marquardt, and NJSAC's stories to make a more clear picture but that doesn't work when you're dealing with he said/she said accounts like this. Out of all the parties involved, I'm more inclined to go with what the NJSAC has said about the process rather than anyone else.
 
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AstroZombie

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dream said:
We gonna nerdchat Rickson Jr. vs Aoki Senpai Chan tonight?

edit: wtf, the stream is 20 fucking dollars.
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Cisco.

And Normal Bird dropping the knowledge. As for Ratner's acting commission being more lenient than the states, the amount of guys they have caught in the international shows, even company men like Leben that you'd think were protected, even with stupid shit like weed that they don't really care about speaks to the contrary.
 
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dream

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I just don't know if I can bring myself to pay 20 fucking American dollars for this, even for Vieira vs Estima.
 
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muddream

Banned
Last night's UFC was a refreshing change. Instead of squash matches being reserved for title fights, they're now booking them for every fight.
 
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
Fucking E3, I had a dream about the goddamn PS4 last night. Not even the whole console, just the fucking bottom... they leaked it.

Had some orange on it.
 
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Heel

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Watching Metamoris. Cyborg is buttscooting, sitting indian style, and even laying limp on the canvas waiting for Schaub to jump in his guard. Schaub is circling and doing nothing while the crowd boos...lol.

Al Bundy on commentary.
 
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dream

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Heel said:
Watching Metamoris. Cyborg is buttscooting, sitting indian style, and even laying limp on the canvas waiting for Schaub to jump in his guard. Schaub is circling and doing nothing while the crowd boos...lol.

Al Bundy on commentary.
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omg. Is your international satellite dish picking this up?
 
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A More Normal Bird

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Jest Chillin said:
Undisclosed TRT is what we're assuming Overeem was doing right? Because I've never heard that he even applied for an exemption. And yes, in the case of Bonnar, if it was Anabolic Steroids it's different and I was wrong about that. That being the case though it really isn't a decent comparison to show that Vitor or another Brazilian fighter would get popped for excessive TRT levels in Brazil.
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Why would Overeem apply for an exemption when he was entirely unaware that his recovery boosting anti-inflammatory injections contained any illegal substances? After all, they were provided to him by a doctor who had worked for the Texas AC and was recommended to him by Tra Telligman.

In any case, it comes down to the difference between using T or something else that boosts its production as opposed to a medically prescribed regimen of it. Even if they're using nothing but T, someone cruising and blasting at levels in the thousands of mg can't really be said to be doing TRT, and there's a good chance that some fighters with TUEs are doing just that.
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
Found out a few of my buddies are opening up a hobby shop together not too far from where I like. Not sure a store that sells cards is a good model for success.
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
One of the dudes at works buy's like 200 bucks worth of Yugioh cards every month.
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The amount of stores that i know of (arcades comic stores etc) that closed down in the past few years is really depressing. Hell even mom and pop video game stores struggle to keep their doors open. Im not sure id invest my life's savings into a venture that may be doomed from the get go.
 
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
FACE said:
And you posted anime porn on the nerd chat, not sure which is worse.
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Mines free. And it was a link to manga which just happens to have porn on it as well, like the rest of the internet.

Praise Allah, I got my Gaming PC to work again. Capacitor or some shit is loose on the motherboard, pushed it back.
 
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AstroZombie

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A More Normal Bird said:
Why would Overeem apply for an exemption when he was entirely unaware that his recovery boosting anti-inflammatory injections contained any illegal substances? After all, they were provided to him by a doctor who had worked for the Texas AC and was recommended to him by Tra Telligman.

In any case, it comes down to the difference between using T or something else that boosts its production as opposed to a medically prescribed regimen of it. Even if they're using nothing but T, someone cruising and blasting at levels in the thousands of mg can't really be said to be doing TRT, and there's a good chance that some fighters with TUEs are doing just that.
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Normal Bird dropping knowledge once again.
 
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Jest Chillin

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A More Normal Bird said:
Why would Overeem apply for an exemption when he was entirely unaware that his recovery boosting anti-inflammatory injections contained any illegal substances? After all, they were provided to him by a doctor who had worked for the Texas AC and was recommended to him by Tra Telligman.
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Satire? I ask because sometimes I really can't tell in this thread.
 
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Heel

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Normal Bird's arrow of truth flies straight and true. Alistair has never failed a scheduled drug test, and would never knowingly take more than a daily multivitamin, a few scoops of protein powder and perhaps a pinch of creatine for the beach.

It's quite possible that he was set up by scorned former manager and alleged mafioso Bas Boon.
 
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AstroZombie

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Jest Chillin said:
Satire? I ask because sometimes I really can't tell in this thread.
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Anything other than what normal bird said is speculation, and you're doing a whole lot of that. Not to mention the fact that you think Belfort and Bonnar were doing the exact same thing in Brazil and only Bonnar got caught because *tinfoil hat theory*.
 
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muddream

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The most depressing part about Overeem's noble trust in the dastardly doctor Molina is that now his balls are ruined forever and he actually requires TRT.
 
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Jest Chillin

Member
AstroZombie said:
Anything other than what normal bird said is speculation, and you're doing a whole lot of that. Not to mention the fact that you think Belfort and Bonnar were doing the exact same thing in Brazil and only Bonnar got caught because *tinfoil hat theory*.
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Really? Yes, lets all believe that Overeem is has always been 100% natural throughout his career despite his massive physique changes before and after getting popped for TRT.

That I was mistaken with Bonnar's test failure being TRT doesn't change a thing. You brought up Bonnar as an example that people have popped hot in Brazil. Being that he popped hot for Anabolic Steroids (which is a different test) AND that he popped hot under UFC while Brazil uses it's own Commission now both make that a moot point anyways.
 
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AstroZombie

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Again, you show how little you know of all this by throwing terms around without knowing what they mean. TRT=Testosterone Replacement Therapy. You can't test positive for a therapy regimen. No one gets popped for TRT. He tested positive for an abnormal Testosterone to Epitestosterone ratio. Overeem claimed that this was caused by his anti-inflammatory drug he was taking which for some reason had testosterone in it unbeknownst to him. Not once did he claim to be on a constant TRT treatment, and not once did the commission ever accuse him of being on such a treatment without filing for an exemption.

You're ridiculing people who actually know all of the publicly disclosed facts pertaining to these situations as posting satire when you obviously don't have a firm grasp on the facts yourself which you've displayed quite a few times now.
 
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