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I just watched Man of Steel on blu ray. What an awful movie. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it's the worst movie I've seen on 2013. How could Warner Bros/DC fuck up a Superman reboot that bad?

Like I told my girlfriend when she asked if I wanted to see MoS, I don't see the point. It's Superman. The most boring and predictable superhero there is. And the fact that it's an origin movie as well just made me steer clear of it.
 

muddream

Banned
MoS is easily a top 5 comic book movie because
a) I can't think of "good" comic book movies besides TDK and X2
b) as far as forgettable movies go, MoS had the best effects.
 

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
Enlarged clits are not a hot look.

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Says you.
 

MjFrancis

Member
The movie looks fun enough to watch at a $5 matinee.

When I heard it was delayed so it could be reshot and tinkered with to give Keanu Reeves a more prominent role and they slapped a love story in the middle of it all I knew it would be a Netflix rental. I'm not saying it would have been a good movie before the changes but it couldn't have helped.

World War Z was a mess that studio heads tried to fix too, and it also failed miserably. The final act was written and shot after the rest of the movie was already finished and they couldn't hide that. It's like they realized they made an action movie and tried to rectify that by adding some zombie movie tropes at the end, and it didn't work.
 

Vio-Lence

Banned
MoS had eyeporno effects. Other than that I didnt mind going to shit 2 times during the movie at the cinema.

I didn't think it looked all that good either. I think the color palate they chose for that film was way off. Superman should be warm, colorful, and inviting. Grim, dark Superman doesn't work. Just a bad effort from Snyder, Nolan, and the entire gang.
 

MjFrancis

Member
Superman would be more interesting if his character had some other weakness or vulnerability save for Kryptonite or occasionally having to go out of his way to save Lois Lane. Invincibility is boring, and everything that could be said about this otherwise all-powerful being has already been told.

The only redemption of the last reboot is that they finally portrayed Superman in film with any sort of appreciable muscle mass.
 

muddream

Banned
I hope Episode 7 looks like that Krypton sequence...and Russell Crowe plays Kyle Katarn, who is featured in every scene. The smart money is on lens flares and shitty homages, but I can dream.
 

dream

Member
Chamber, can you make this avatar-sized for me without losing any of the, uh, detail?

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edit: and by detail, I mean titties.
 

MjFrancis

Member
I could have told you to avoid it. The commercials looked like some Man with Iron Fists level shit.
I thought of The Man with the Iron Fists when I heard how bad 47 Ronin was. That was the last bad movie I bothered watching in theaters, and I didn't want to make that same mistake with 47 Ronin.
 
I was expecting it to be "lol bad" though. Instead, that crap damn near put me to sleep.

Keanu sucks. Somehow he got all this goodwill from the matrix (even though those movies were UFC 33 bad) and being a nice guy and the subject of a meme, and that made people seem to forget that he's a shit actor. At least the Man w/ Iron Fists had Russell Crowe.
 

dream

Member
Gonna hit you with a bunch of stats first, then some news.

2013 BUSINESS YEAR IN REVIEW

BIGGEST EVENTS AND TOP DRAWS
Period covered based on our awards balloting year of December 1, 2012 to November 30, 2013


LARGEST ATTENDANCE
72,000* - 4/7 WWE WrestleMania East Rutherford, NJ MetLife Stadium (Rock vs. John Cena; Undertaker vs. C.M. Punk; HHH vs. Brock Lesnar)

29,000 - 1/4 New Japan Tokyo Dome (Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada)

25,000 - 12/5 IGF Islamabad, Pakistan (Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Shogun Okamoto)

20,145 - 3/16 UFC 158 Montreal Bell Centre (Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz)

20,000 - 5/31 One FC Manila, Philippines (Koji Oishi vs. Honorio Banario)

19,500 - 6/16 AAA TripleMania Mexico City Arena Ciudad (Perro Aguayo Jr. vs. Cibernetico hair vs. hair)

18,000 - 12/2 IGF Lahore, Pakistan (Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Hideki Suzuki)

17,238* - 10/19 UFC 166 Houston Toyota Center (Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos)

17,000** - 5/11 Kenta Kobashi retirement show Tokyo Budokan Hall (Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama & Keiji Muto & Kensuke Sasaki vs. KENTA & Go Shiozaki & Maybach Taniguchi & Yoshinobu Kanemaru

17,000 - 9/13 CMLL 80th Anniversary show Mexico City Arena Mexico (Atlantis & Ultimo Guerrero vs. La Sombra & Volador Jr.; La Sombra vs. Volador Jr. mask vs. mask–real draws were Atlantis and Ultimo Guerrero )

16,131* - 3/23 NCAA tournament finals Des Moines Wells Fargo Center (Kyle Dake vs. David Taylor)

16,091 - 1/26 UFC Chicago United Center (Demetrious Johnson vs. John Dodson)

16,000* - 3/21 NCAA tournament afternoon Des Moines Wells Fargo Center 16,000*- 3/21 NCAA tournament evening Des Moines Wells Fargo Center 16,000* - 3/22 NCAA tournament afternoon Des Moines Wells Fargo Center

16,000* - 3/22 NCAA tournament semifinals evening Des Moines Wells Fargo Center

16,000* - 3/23 NCAA tournament consolation bracket Des Moines Wells Fargo Center

15,758* - 12/16 WWE TLC PPV Brooklyn Barclays Center (John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler ladder match)

15,504 - 9/21 UFC 165 Toronto Air Canada Centre (Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson)

15,227 - 4/27 UFC 159 Newark, NJ Prudential Center (Jon Jones vs. Chael Sonnen)

15,000* - 3/25 WWE Raw Philadelphia Wells Fargo Center (John Cena & Sheamus & Ryback vs. The Shield)

15,000* - 7/14 WWE Money in the Bank Philadelphia Wells Fargo Center (John Cena vs. Mark Henry; Randy Orton vs. Daniel Bryan vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Sheamus vs. Christian vs. C.M. Punk ladder match)

15,000 - 5/3 Mexico City Arena Mexico Tribute to Atlantis show Atlantis vs. Averno

*Denotes sold out show

**Sold out show, number doesn’t include those watching at movie theaters in Tokyo area or around Japan

MOST MAIN EVENTS DRAWING MORE THAN 10,000 FANS
27 - John Cena

13 - The Rock

10 - C.M. Punk, The Shield

9 - Dolph Ziggler, Ryback

8 - Sheamus, Daniel Bryan

5 - Big Show

4 - Randy Orton, La Sombra, Atlantis, Ultimo Guerrero, Volador Jr.

3 - Cain Velasquez, Brock Lesnar, Kane, Alberto Del Rio

This makes the sixth year, and the fifth straight, that John Cena has been the leader in this category, with previous years as wrestling’s top draw being 2007, 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012.

With six years as No. 1 in wrestling, he trails only Jim Londos (13), Bruno Sammartino (8), Hulk Hogan (8), Bill Longson (7) and Lou Thesz (7). He’s now surpassed Strangler Lewis, The Sheik, Joe Stecher and Argentina Rocca, who were the top draws in five different years.

Cena beat his 2012 total of 19 shows, but trailed his 2011 total of 33 and 2010 total of 38.

Cena has also had eight years as a top ten draw, something matched by only 25 wrestlers in history, every one of whom is an undisputable all-time great: Londos, Thesz, Sammartino, Lewis, Ric Flair, Hogan, Stecher, Dick the Bruiser, Andre the Giant, Rocca, Killer Kowalski, Longson, Buddy Rogers, Whipper Billy Watson, Yvon Robert, Crusher, Gene Kiniski, The Sheik, Ray Stevens, HHH, Johnny Valentine, Harley Race, Perro Aguayo Sr., and Antonio Inoki.


ESTIMATED NORTH AMERICAN BUYS
2,200,000 - 9/14 Floyd Mayweather vs. Canelo Alvarez

1,150,000 - 12/8/12 Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Manny Pacquiao

950,000 - 3/16 UFC 158 Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz

900,000 - 5/4/ Floyd Mayweather vs. Robert Guerrero

662,000 - 4/7 WWE WrestleMania The Rock vs. John Cena

630,000 - 11/16 UFC 167 Georges St-Pierre vs. Johny Hendricks

550,000 - 7/6 UFC 162 Anderson Silva vs. Chris Weidman

530,000 - 4/27 UFC 159 Jon Jones vs. Chael Sonnen

475,000 - 11/23 Manny Pacquiao vs. Brandon Rios

450,000 - 2/23 UFC 157 Ronda Rousey vs. Liz Carmouche*

425,000 - 12/29/12 UFC 155 Junior Dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez

380,000 - 5/25 UFC 160 Cain Velasquez vs. Bigfoot Silva

375,000 - 10/12 Timothy Bradley vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

364,000 - 1/27 WWE Royal Rumble C.M. Punk vs. The Rock

330,000 - 2/2 UFC 156 Jose Aldo vs. Frankie Edgar

330,000 - 10/19 UFC 166 Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos

310,000 - 9/21 UFC 165 Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson

270,000 - 8/31 UFC 164 Benson Henderson vs. Anthony Pettis

185,000 - 8/18 WWE SummerSlam John Cena vs. Daniel Bryan

181,000 - 2/17 WWE Elimination Chamber C.M. Punk vs. The Rock

180,000 - 8/3 UFC 163 Jose Aldo vs. Chan Sung Jung

151,000 - 7/14 WWE Money in the Bank John Cena vs. Mark Henry

140,000 - 6/15 UFC 161 Rashad Evans vs. Dan Henderson

137,000 - 5/19 WWE Extreme Rules Brock Lesnar vs. HHH cage match

121,000 - 10/27 WWE Hell in a Cell Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton Hell in a Cell match

108,000 - 6/16 WWE Payback John Cena vs. Ryback 3 Stages of Hell match

95,000 - 11/24 WWE Survivor Series Randy Orton vs. Big Show

92,000 - 9/15 WWE Night of Champions Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton

87,000 - 10/6 WWE Battleground Daniel Bryan vs. Randy Orton

75,000 - 12/16/12 WWE TLC John Cena vs. Dolph Ziggler ladder match

*Set new all-time PPV record for a show headlined by women, breaking the old mark of 125,000 set on June 8, 2001 for a boxing match between Layla Ali vs. Jaqui Frazier-Lyde.


TOP 15 PPV SHOW BREAKDOWN IN NORTH AMERICA
2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008
WWE 2 1 1 1 1 2
UFC 8 10 10 11 10 9
BOXING 5 4 4 3 4 4
For the first time since 2008, the WWE had two of the top 15 PPV shows of the year, with the C.M. Punk vs. The Rock WWE title match powering the Royal Rumble to 14th place. That was also the first time Rumble cracked the list since the 2008 show, which featured Jeff Hardy going after the WWE title held by Randy Orton at a time when Hardy was on fire.

UFC, which has had at least ten of the top 15 shows on PPV since 2009, fell in comparison, but still had the most shows overall on the list.

What is notable is that boxing, which had six major PPV events (one of which didn’t do much business), did almost as many buys with its six events as UFC did with its 13, including three of the top four on the list. It’s still a list that only includes fights with Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. But this is the first time since probably early 2006 that UFC has really been supplanted as the real No. 1 force in PPV, and it’s by boxing. Boxing was supposed to be on the road to oblivion during UFC’s rise more than seven years ago. But it’s more Mayweather than boxing, because until someone other than Mayweather or Pacquiao can pull big PPV numbers, it’s hard to say the sport is making a comeback past the point the same two guys who have been drawing for years are carrying things.

With Pacquiao’s drawing power having fallen off, boxing next year is going to be completely Floyd-driven on PPV. But with GSP gone from UFC, perhaps all year, and The Rock gone from WWE, the two competitors for boxing each have lost their biggest star and don’t appear to have anyone to fill the void. For UFC, if Anderson Silva loses this week to Chris Weidman, they will have lost their second biggest PPV star as well, in the sense that Silva in non-title matches is not going to pull the numbers he did as champion, and Weidman isn’t likely to pull Silva numbers.

The only true new drawing cards established in the past year were Canelo Alvarez and Ronda Rousey. Alvarez lost his big shot, and handily. Whether he can be a substantial PPV draw at this point is a question. My feeling is it would take the right opponent, and there aren’t exactly a lot of those.

With Rousey, there doesn’t seem to be nearly the momentum a few days out compared to her debut fight, even though this one is against her best rival as far as drawing and name value goes. This is a weird one because this may be the unique case of a great rivalry being exposed weekly on television actually hurting a match rather than helping it. Rousey’s drawing power was very much as a babyface persona and that dynamic was thrown off by the television show.
 

dream

Member
CROWDS OF MORE THAN 15,000
2013 2012 2011 2010 2009

2013 2012 2011 2010 2009
WWE domestic 4 9 9 7 12
WWE overseas 0 1 1 4 8
CMLL 2 0 1 2 3
AAA 1 1 0 1 4
UFC 4 12 5 8 6
This chart really shows how WWE and UFC have fallen off in their abilities to draw big crowds in the past year. UFC has done monster business in Las Vegas (the MGM Grand holds less than 15,000 the way UFC has it set up), and WWE did do really well in the first quarter when it came to selling out Raws, particularly on the shows The Rock appeared on. But it’s way down from any year in the past five when it comes to producing big shows.


UFC PPV BUYS (based on December to November)
Shows Buys Average
2007 10 4,660,000 466,000
2008 13 6,885,000 530,000
2009 13 7,755,000 595,000
2010 15 8,970,000 598,000
2011 15 5,950,000 397,000
2012 13 6,025,000 463,000
2013 13 5,470,000 420,770

UFC AVERAGE GATE OF NORTH AMERICAN PPV SHOWS
Shows Total money Average
2007 10 $26,700,350 $2,670,035
2008 10 $32,857,231 $3,285,723
2009 11 $34,005,156 $3,091,378
2010 14 $40,841,459 $2,917,247
2011 14 $43,839,517 $3,131,394
2012 9 $31,125,774 $3,458,419
2013 12 $35,386,997 $2,948,916
While numbers look down for 2013 in both categories, when figuring in the 12/28 show, they will be looking at lot better. The difference is that this year has had a far more attractive lineup of matches than any year since 2010. They’re doing fine, but everything since September when it comes to PPV has been disappointing. When it comes to live gates, they remain strong when they hit a market for the first time or when they present the right show. There was only one PPV show that didn’t do well as a live event, the Milwaukee show on 8/31, which, even with home town Anthony Pettis challenging for the lightweight title, only did a $915,466 gate.

What’s notable is there’s no real correlation between sellout and big PPV numbers. UFC’s legitimate sellout PPV shows were UFC 155 (Velasquez vs. Dos Santos), UFC 157 (Rousey vs. Carmouche, although they charged lower prices than usual for this one ), UFC 161 (Henderson vs. Evans), UFC 166 (Velasquez vs. Dos Santos) and UFC 167 (GSP vs. Hendricks). Of those, only GSP vs. Hendricks did big PPV numbers and Henderson vs. Evans actually did the lowest PPV numbers of any show since 2005.

GSP vs. Diaz was very close to sold out with the strong late interest but came just shy. Henderson vs. Evans did poorly on PPV, but sold out because it was UFC’s first show in Winnipeg. Velasquez sold out Houston instantaneously, which is why the PPV number for that show was disappointing. Plus, it was the end of the Velasquez vs. Dos Santos trilogy, the two best heavyweights of the era, and they did a lower number that Velasquez did with Bigfoot Silva. It was the lowest for a heavyweight title fight since Andrei Arlovski vs. Paul Buentello in 2005.


LARGEST GATES IN NORTH AMERICA
$11,300,000* - WWE WrestleMania 4/7 MetLife Stadium East Rutherford, NJ The Rock vs. John Cena

$5,739,350* - 11/16 UFC 167 Georges St-Pierre vs. Johny Hendricks

$4,826,450 - UFC 162 7/6 Las Vegas Anderson Silva vs. Chris Weidman

$3,640,000 - UFC 158 3/16 Montreal Georges St-Pierre vs. Nick Diaz

$3,286,025* - UFC 155 12/29/12 Las Vegas Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos

$3,150,000* - UFC 161 6/15 Winnipeg Dan Henderson vs. Rashad Evans

$2,942,365 - UFC 160 5/25 Las Vegas Cain Velasquez vs. Bigfoot Silva

$2,700,000 - UFC 159 4/27 Newark Jon Jones vs. Chael Sonnen

$2,500,000* - UFC 166 10/19 Houston Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos $2,437,150 - UFC 156 2/2 Las Vegas Jose Aldo vs. Frankie Edgar

$1,900,000 - UFC 165 9/21 Toronto Jon Jones vs. Alexander Gustafsson

$1,530,000 - UFC on FS 1 8/17 Boston Chael Sonnen vs. Shogun Rua $1,522,610* - UFC on FOX 12/8/12 Seattle Benson Henderson vs. Nate Diaz

$1,350,191** - UFC 157 2/23 Anaheim Ronda Rousey vs. Liz Carmouche

$1,333,000 - UFC on FOX 4/20 San Jose Benson Henderson vs. Gilbert Melendez

$1,270,000 - UFC on FOX 1/26 Chicago Demetrious Johnson vs. John Dodson

*Denotes sellout crowd

**Sold out show, set all-time record for live gate for a North American show headlined by women, breaking the record set August 15, 2009, in San Jose, of $735,710, set by Gina Carano vs. Cris Cyborg. Carano vs. Cyborg remains the attendance record with 13,524, as compared with 13,161 for the Rousey vs. Carmouche fight. It set the paid attendance record with 11,116, breaking the record of 11,105 set by Carano vs. Cyborg. From a pro wrestling standpoint, there are records of a July 8, 1948, match in Boston, of Mildred Burke vs. June Byers for the pro wrestling world’s women’s title that drew 14,000 fans, which would be the largest U.S. crowd ever for a match headlined by women. There are people who believe it was really Frank Sexton, the world champion, that drew that house. Given the expectation that number would be somewhat exaggerated, it probably didn’t top the MMA record numbers set in recent years. Fabulous Moolah vs. Wendi Richter on July 23, 1984, in Madison Square Garden drew 15,000 fans, got national publicity, and did a 9.0 rating on MTV (the second biggest cable rating in pro wrestling history), but locally, Hulk Hogan vs. Greg Valentine was advertised as the main event and was the match that actually sold the tickets . There is a longstanding pro wrestling legend of an August 21, 1941, women’s title match in Louisville with Burke vs. Elvira Snodgrass that drew 19,000 fans. I’ve got books, booklets and magazines referring to that match, but all of 1941 wrestling in Louisville has been researched and no such match took place. Nobody who lives in Louisville knows about it and nobody has ever been able to produce any newspaper clips or publicity from the area regarding such a match.
 

dream

Member
Word broke this week after a mistake in communications in WWE where advertising was released in Las Vegas, both on the Internet and local radio announcing Batista appearing on the 2/16 house show at the Thomas & Mack Center.

But the company then announced the return in insets on the taped 12/23 Raw that were not shown to the live crowd, even though they appeared to have the live crowd cheering the news wildly, thanks to the magic of post production. His return is set for the 1/20 Raw in Dayton, the go-home show for the Royal Rumble, six days later, in Pittsburgh, which should be his first match back.

David Bautista, who turns 45 next month, was one of the company’s biggest stars from shortly after his arrival in WWE, where he was put in Evolution with HHH and Ric Flair, to be groomed as one of the company’s biggest stars, in early 2003. He actually floundered at first on the main roster as Deacon Batista, affiliated with the former Devon Dudley, at that time called, Reverend Devon, who was doing a preacher gimmick that was going nowhere fast. Batista was going nowhere even faster at the time, until he was plucked from the gimmick.

The idea was to groom Randy Orton as the babyface that would break away from the group and be the company’s new young star, and for Batista and Mark Jindrak (now Marco Corleone in Mexico, who was originally slated to be the fifth person in the group until they decided he wasn’t quite up to that position) to be future main eventers because they were all tall, good looking and had good bodies, which was felt at the time by Vince McMahon and HHH to be what was necessary to be on top and carry the company in the future. And Orton becoming champion, and then being turned face and breaking away, did happen first with his 2004 SummerSlam win over Chris Benoit in Toronto to become the youngest world champion in company history. But it was the turn of Batista against HHH, a slow burn that started in late 2004, which got over bigger. Creative wanted to have them wrestle immediately, but HHH insisted the matdch be held off until WrestleMania, on April 3, 2005, in Los Angeles at the Staples Center. It would end up becoming the largest grossing pro wrestling event of all-time at the time, doing 1,090,000 worldwide buys.

Batista vs. HHH, it can be argued, was the company’s best long-term storyline for business of the past decade. Without a doubt, it was the hottest program WWE had during that period that didn’t involve an outsider being brought in, as the only ones that drew bigger were the Vince McMahon vs. Donald Trump hair vs. hair program in 2007 and the three-year-old Rock vs. John Cena scenario.

Batista was, when not injured, generally positioned as one of the big four stars in the company from 2005 until 2010, along with Cena, HHH and Undertaker. His Hell in a Cell rematch with HHH was the most successful “B” PPV show of the last nine years. In total, he headlined 14 PPV shows over the next five years.

He left WWE in 2010, both unhappy over the direction, complaining about PG wrestling, and also to pursue a movie career. He even managed to get something off a personal bucket list by doing an MMA fight, beating Vince Lucero, an experienced lower level heavyweight. Because he’s known for high living, he was expected by many in the company to return a lot quicker than he did.

He had always stated he was up for a last run and had nixed any approaches by TNA, telling people if he was going to come back, it would be only in WWE.

While this could change, right now they have a Batista vs. Orton match scheduled for WrestleMania. He’s actually been on the books to be at Mania this year for a few months, probably dating back to around the period the first rumors came out that he denied, about coming back.

Batista is expected to be in the Royal Rumble. If Orton ends up as the champion at Mania, then the original plan was likely for Batista to win the Rumble. If Orton loses the title, then the plan was likely for whoever gets the shot at the new champion to be the guy who takes the Rumble.

In theory, being 45 after a nearly four-year layoff should make him questionable, particularly since he’s had a lot of wrestling related injuries and it’s a very physically demanding schedule. The second is the physique issue, because a man whose main claim to fame was his physique, at 45, if the place is natural, would be questionable as well. But his name is big enough from his years on top to where he doesn’t need the freaky physique to be noticed.

HHH vs. C.M. Punk is now on the books for Mania as the climax of The Authority angle. Roman Reigns is a back-up plan for HHH’s opponent, but there was a Langston vs. Reigns singles match tease on TV this week, and I don’t see that taking place at the Rumble because that would seem way too soon, and the Elimination Chamber is a multiple-person main event. Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar is also still on the books for WrestleMania.

With all the top guys seemingly taken, that would still seem that Cena is in for something to do with Hogan in some form, since Cena should be involved if they do a Hogan final deal type of show. As of last week, Cena vs. Bray Wyatt, believe it or not, was the main event planned for the show. Vince McMahon stated to the writers and producers that “Cena is the main event until his time is clearly up. That man feeds us!”

That one I could see changing because it would require them to have confidence Wyatt has gotten over to that level, and right now that’s going to be tough. It’s great positioning for Wyatt when it comes to establishing him as a long-term top guy, although Miz was in a similar position in one of the biggest Manias of all-time, and look at how that ended up.

The booking is based on the idea Hogan won’t be able to do a match or pass the medicals. That still leaves a Bryan vs. Michaels spot open (as noted, everyone internally is being told Michaels will not work another match, as are friends of Michaels, but even so I wouldn’t reject that possibility 100%) as well as a lot of other guys not accounted for. Sheamus doing a heel turn could be a backup plan for Cena if they don’t think Wyatt is ready for that spot, but that would be tough to put as the main event. It’s a match that was done for months straight and as a main event program, and while it’s foolish to think that Mania has to be all new matches, Cena vs. Sheamus doesn’t feel like a Mania main event. Sheamus’ shoulder hasn’t recovered yet, which may cut into the time to get him over enough to be in that position, if that can even be done at this point, unless there was a great idea to heat him up.

Ryback vs. Goldberg would take place if they can make a Goldberg deal, and, as noted last week, Goldberg is driving a hard bargain. To me, if Michaels, Hogan and Batista are involved, there’s zero point this year for Goldberg being involved given the cost and not being positioned strongly enough to where it’ll make a business difference. If Michaels and Hogan aren’t involved, the dynamic changes, but a Goldberg return should be high enough on the featured this to make it worth the expense. All the chants may sound like people want it, but it becomes overkill on outsiders. Plus, it’s one thing if Ryback has been booked super strong and it would be a big match.

At this point, the only logical result of Goldberg vs. Ryback is Goldberg winning in two minutes with a spear and jackhammer, which is booking for a pop as it means nothing soap opera-wise or going forward and will be nothing more than a moment in the middle of the big show.

Ryback has lost far too often to mid-level WWE guys, so Goldberg putting him over would both be difficult to get Goldberg to agree to (in the sense it would take a lot of money), and would accomplish nothing since Ryback’s been positioned the way he has. Goldberg winning in two minutes may get a quick nostalgia pop, but you can do that next year. Perhaps if there’s no Hogan nor Michaels involved, the dynamic would be different, but the way things look, why spend that kind of money for something that’s six matches deep in a 10 or so match card?

One match that was earmarked for the show, Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust, to me would be a big mistake. The two wanted to do the match last year, and even had an angle put in place to start it, but Vince McMahon vetoed it. This year, the tag team was originally set to lead to a split and a match at Mania. The problem is, the two have ended up forming a good team and not only is it way too early to split them, I think splitting them and feuding wouldn’t work now, and may never work. Real brothers feuding only works when there is a story with real meat and believability to it (Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart). When it’s done when there’s no real good reason that people can buy (Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy, and no, nobody believed Matt set fire to Jeff’s house and killed his dog) you can spend months building up a cartoon feud and the people will crap all over it. Plus, both have far more upsides together than either would separate for the time being, and for Goldust, it’s a career saver because once they split, no matter how good a worker he is, they aren’t going to push him as a single at his age.
 

dream

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UFC has what should be its biggest show in four-and-a-half years on 12/28, with UFC 168, from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

The show features two of this year’s biggest matches, Chris Weidman vs. Anderson Silva for the middleweight title, and Ronda Rousey vs. Miesha Tate for the women’s bantamweight title.

Weidman vs. Silva, on its own, should be one of the biggest matches in UFC history in theory, based on perhaps the single most perfect finish to build a rematch in history. It’s being billed as such, and it’s gotten the lion’s share of the company hype and promotion as the main event. Biggest rematch in history covers a lot of ground. As a fight to purists, it’s a lot bigger than the second Ken Shamrock vs. Tito Ortiz fight, but it is unlikely public interest in it will be as big the day of the fight, or if it will connect as big as that or the second B.J. Penn vs. GSP fight. Is it bigger than the second Silva vs. Chael Sonnen? Weidman is a better fighter than Sonnen and Silva is several years older, so in theory, it’s more competitive. Plus Silva snatched a victory from the jaws of defeat, or perhaps Sonnen did the opposite, with time running out in the first fight. But as far as business interest, even with all those things and an even better finish (although Silva vs. Sonnen had an exceptional match storyline to build a rematch), the value of Sonnen’s promotional ability can’t be overlooked.

The recent special programming, a Flashback show on the first fight, and the usual Countdown show, were both strong. But they were also on FS 1, had far less viewership than such a show would get on Spike or FX, and the Countdown show debuted on Christmas Eve at 10 p.m.

Still, the live show topped $6 million weeks ago and has sold out well in advance, making it the third biggest gate in company history.

The main event has an amazing story. At 38, Anderson Silva had established himself in most people’s eyes as the greatest MMA fighter of all-time. GSP fought tougher guys, but didn’t finish at nearly as high a rate. Fedor Emelianenko went unbeaten longer, but it was against far easier competition, and the last time he looked like the best fighter in the world was at the age of 32, while Silva still looked the part in his previous fight. Silva came into the fight with the longest title reign in UFC history, just shy of six years and nine months, as well as holding records for the most title defenses and the most consecutive wins. He’d never lost in the Octagon, and was never in danger of being finished. He regularly made good fighters look like amateurs.

But there was always “the book” on how to beat Silva. It was to get a great wrestler who had strong submission defense and stamina, who could take him down and ground him out. At some point, everyone gets old, but Silva’s speed and reflexes were still top notch and nobody really wanted to stand with him.

Dan Henderson lacked the stamina. Yushin Okami had the stamina and submission defense, but wasn’t a good enough wrestler, plus mentally seemed beat before the match even started.

Chael Sonnen in theory showed the book was correct, but his lack of strong submission defense did him in. Still, in hindsight, there’s some question about Sonnen’s testosterone levels and whether Silva really did have a rib injury. Whatever the first fight may have proven about Silva’s vulnerability, the second fight may have proven that Silva’s post-fight excuses, as much as people didn’t want to believe them, had a likelihood of being true. It was a completely different fight, with Sonnen being finished early in the second round.

Weidman was the actual prototype of the Silva killer. An All-American wrestler who had adapted to the submission game strongly. And while he was not Silva’s equal as a standup fighter, he was very good n every aspect of the game. He was known for conditioning and confidence, both necessary against Silva. He was every bit the wrestler Sonnen was, but younger and better in every other aspect, with a stronger offensive submission game to boot.

The fight took place on 7/6 in the same MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. Weidman won, but not with his wrestling leading to taking a five-round decision, but via knockout, standing.

In theory, a 29-year-old who has every attribute described to be the Achilles heel of the 38-year-old champion, then knocks him out in the second round to win the world championship, the rematch is only going to go worse, and would be expected to be the former champion’s swan song at the top.

That’s what makes this fight so fascinating. Because when you watch the first fight over again, no matter how many times Weidman’s camp tells you differently, and how many times you watch the closing second, your eyes still say “fluke.”

Weidman did win the first round by the book, taking Silva down and keeping him there most of the round. But he lost control of him on a failed submission attempt, and when Silva got up, he was getting the better of things.

As the second round started, Silva was clowning around, mocking Weidman, and seemed to take him out of his game. Silva’s speed seemed too much and Weidman seemed to have nothing there for the takedown that he needed to take the round, and survive the three rounds that would follow. But while clowning, mocking the lack of speed and power of his opponent, and pretending to be hurt but not, a punch caught Silva perfectly. His overselling was no longer selling. He was out. The fight was over. It was one of the most amazing and memorable moments in MMA history. The king was dead. A world of MMA fans ranged from being euphoric to being in disbelief.

Even though Weidman enters the cage with the belt, in the eyes of the public, he’s still the challenger, and Silva is still the greatest fighter in the world. In the UFC’s own media pound-for-pound rankings, Silva is No. 3 behind Jon Jones and Jose Aldo, while Weidman is No. 8. It’s virtually unprecedented in such rankings even after the Georges St-Pierre and Matt Serra fluke, to have a top contender ranked above the champion, let alone the top contender ranked above the champion who had just knocked him out in the second round in both men’s previous fight a few months earlier. Silva is the betting favorite, ranging from -152 to -185 at press time. But it is the closest odds for a Silva fight since he rose to prominence. At these odds, money is coming in pretty much evenly between the two, so it’s not like people see it as a mismatch.

Still, the match left more questions to Weidman than Silva. Weidman appeared tired in the second round. He himself admitted it, but couldn’t exactly explain why. His one takedown attempt that round was futile and he was taking hard low kick and punch combinations. The taunting did seem to mentally get to Weidman, exactly as Silva figured it would. All the on-paper reasons why he was the living embodiment of Silva kryptonite were, in the early part of the second round, proving to be false. Until that split second when it turned out to be true.

It’s a unique situation when a solid unquestioned knockout win gives you mostly evidence that the other guys will win the rematch.

But there is more to this story. Weidman’s home was destroyed by Hurricane Sandy. He was living, he, his wife and their two children, mostly at his parents home in one room while the home was renovated. He also underwent shoulder surgery, and came back quickly since the title shot was offered that he couldn’t wait for and had no intention of turning down. This was a guy who had risked his undefeated record to face Demian Maia as a late replacement, even though he would have to lose 32 pounds in just over a week.

Today, things are different. He’s now in a different financial league. He’s got a newer and bigger house. Nobody ever gives a straight answer as far as what injuries he may or may not have had, but he’s not rushing back from surgery and his personal stress level is probably lower. But does this make him less hungry? Will he not be tired in round two this time?

Silva, on the other hand, has been concentrating on his takedown defense. Weidman’s camp notes Silva’s hands being kept low helped his takedown defense, but also opened him up for the punch that finished him, in explaining that what happened was exactly what they trained for and not a fluke. But to most others, Silva seemingly showed, despite the hype beforehand and the outcome afterwards, that Weidman is not fast enough to strike with him unless he gets careless, nor powerful enough to hurt him unless he doesn’t see the punch coming.

There is another precedent historically on this. Weidman’s coach and trainer, Serra, knocked out St-Pierre in the first round in 2007 in what is still the biggest title match upset in UFC history. Even though GSP was absolutely not clowning around, nobody bought that Serra was the best in the world. The odds weren’t as long as the first time, but Serra was still a decided underdog in the rematch, and got absolutely destroyed from start-to-finish in the match that really put GSP on the map as a mainstream sports star in Canada, earning him his first of three Canadian athlete of the year awards.

A win by Weidman, and Silva is still the greatest fighter of all-time. He just got old. But Weidman will erase any call of fluke, just as Serra couldn’t. Just as Randy Couture erased the “lucky decision” in his first match with Pedro Rizzo, and just as a rematch erased any legitimacy of Vitor Belfort beating Couture to win the light heavyweight champion, even if the record book will tell you otherwise.

A win by Weidman is the final changing of the guard in UFC. The glory era of the UFC’s murderer’s row of marketable world champions that set the all-time record for PPV buys in 2010, Brock Lesnar, Silva, GSP and B.J. Penn, would be completely over. For all the talk of what happens to boxing when Mayweather and Pacquiao are done, a Weidman win leaves UFC as the one run out of legitimate major drawing cards who can still pull big numbers going into 2014.

Whether Weidman can get there depends more on time and results. Just winning in dominant fashion almost every time out doesn’t make you a big draw, as Jon Jones (keeps winning, numbers declining), Cain Velasquez (ditto) and Jose Aldo have all shown. Velasquez had a higher profile springboard in the sense his fight with Brock Lesnar was viewed by far more than Weidman’s win, and was far more convincing. He also has an ethnic base that carries boxing almost completely, and supports wrestling at double the rate of any other ethnic group, and for those logical reasons MMA should be big with. But it’s really not.

Weidman doesn’t have the charisma of B.J. Penn, nor the nationalistic appeal nor first generation created by TV superstar aura of a GSP. But he does have a quiet confidence in his voice. Every fighter and his coaching staff will tell you they can beat their opponent, but it’s often not convincing. I’m not sure this one is either, but those who know Weidman, and he himself, talk with the conviction of people who truly believe they are better and can’t wait to prove it a second time. Of course, they also may be out there convincing themselves, and coming up with reasons why what happened in the early part of round two that the rest of us saw really wasn’t what we think it was.

And there’s the other fight.

It’s not a lock Rousey vs. Tate on its own would be the biggest drawing non-GSP fight of this year aside from the Silva-Weidman rematch, essentially beating 550,000 buys. But considering Rousey vs. unknown Liz Carmouche with no heat, nor grudge and it being Rousey’s first PPV, did 450,000, then it would make sense this one would do a lot more. That also doesn’t factor in all the variables, such as PPV overall being weaker since the Mayweather fight, and the move to FS 1 being problematic for building shows.

But it’s the strongest No. 2 fight on a show in years, dating back to GSP vs; Thiago Alves at UFC 100. It’s also, very possibly, the single biggest woman combat sports bout in history.

While Christy Martin got all kinds of mainstream exposure, including a Sports Illustrated cover in 1996, she never advanced past the point of being an attraction in boxing. She was never the main event on a major show that drew big money, either live or on PPV. The lone attempt, after the release of the movie Million Dollar Baby, to do a Martin vs. Lucia Rijker PPV fight in 2005, when Martin was past her prime, fell apart because Rijker was injured in training. Ticket sales for the much-hyped fight were abysmal, and when Rijker healed up, there was no attempt to put it back together again.

A gimmick, where Laila Ali boxed Jacqi Frazier-Lyde in 2001 was a shockingly successful PPV event, doing 125,000 buys. But that wasn’t really about women’s boxing, and it was more about just how big the Muhammad Ali vs. Joe Frazier rivalry was that their daughters, one of whom wasn’t even a serious boxer, could be put in the ring and do business.

However, Gina Carano vs. Cris Cyborg in 2009 drew the largest crowd ever to see an MMA fight in San Jose that wasn’t headlined by Frank Shamrock, and the 2.17 rating overall for the event on Showtime is its all-time MMA record, and 2.91 for the fight itself, and that’s with the UFC putting a tape of UFC 100, which featured UFC’s biggest money drawing fight in its history, the second Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir bout, on Spike, head-to-head against it to siphon away its number

Rousey vs. Liz Carmouche on 2/23 seemed far bigger mainstream with the UFC machine behind it. I don’t think it’s even possible Carano vs. Cyborg would have done 450,000 buys on PPV at the time even if the fight coverage blew up in media (while working at Yahoo, the Carano vs. Cyborg interest level and hits for coverage beat a UFC show a week earlier that did almost 900,000 buys). Still, there is actual data to garner which was bigger on the day of the show in the U.S. On fight day, Carano on that day in 2009 was bigger than Rousey in 2013, by very little. But there was comparatively less interest in Cyborg (8% of Carano) to Carmouche (16% of Rousey), and for the fight itself, they were surprisingly even. When Rousey fought Tate for the first time, there was nowhere near the amount of interest as there was in Carano or Rousey for their bigger fights, but historically, one can say it was the most important, because that was the fight that got women into UFC. But in that fight, there was more interest in Tate than either Cyborg or Carmouche as the “opponent,” but as a combination, it did not have the interest of the other two fights.

However, if we look at interest levels one week before each fight, this fight has double the general public interest a week ahead of time as both of the other fights did. That doesn’t mean it will skyrocket in the last few days, as both of those fights did, particularly since those fights were the focal point of tons of promotion and this is a semi-final where all of the advertising and the focus on the hype specials is on the other fight. But the key in both of the prior giant fights is they were all about one person. In this fight, Tate is far more of a star as Rousey’s opponent than Cyborg or Carmouche were to the public. A week out, Rousey is well ahead of where she was before any prior fight.

But it’s a different Rousey. Is she now a heel? Does she draw as a heel what she did as a babyface? The heat is there like no women’s MMA fight in history.

The fight could easily be promoted as the biggest woman’s fight of all-time, because a week out, when it comes to public interest, it is well ahead of any. But they may want to save that for a Rousey vs. Cyborg fight if they can put that together in 2014. Plus, as much as the public may have interest based on The Ultimate Fighter, the reality is still that Tate backdoored herself into this fight, and is coming off a loss to Cat Zingano. But arguments that is even relevant t the public would mean burying your head in the sand and having slept through much of the past year, most notably the GSP vs. Nick Diaz fight, one of the biggest in company history, and to a lesser extent, the Jones vs. Sonnen fight. One of Rousey’s big lines this past week is the only reason Tate is even in this match is because she’s got a nice ass and a rivalry with her, and how Tate owes her career to that fact. As catty as that sounds, there is truth in that statement.

The UFC lucked into something after Zingano tore her ACL just before filming of The Ultimate Fighter was scheduled to begin. While Tate was coming off a loss, the company was presented with a golden opportunity with the Zingano injury. They had the ability to take what had already been proven to be a great dynamic in the first fight, but make it far bigger since it was on the UFC stage. Instead of being an unknown Rousey first making her name, as was the case nearly two years ago, it’s an established star in Rousey, but with a very different fight dynamic.

However, winning is a different issue. Rousey ranges from a -675 to -1000 favorite, although with the long odds, most of the money at press time was coming in on Tate.

Rousey has fought ten times, seven as a pro, and three as an amateur. All ten have ended in first round armbars. Whether she believes it or not, Tate is pushing the idea that Rousey will be lost if she can’t get the armbar, and she’ll be out of gas if the fight goes to the second round. Tate has gone long three times. She went into the fourth round when he beat Marloes Coenen to win the Strikeforce women’s title, came from behind with a third round submission on Julie Kedzie, and was knocked out in the third round by Zingano in a fight she was winning until that point. She’s a good fighter, and a very legitimate former champion. But she’s not a great fighter, and her calling card to the level of interest there is in her having been the only non-Rousey female to break out of the pack, is based largely on how she looks.

The interesting dynamic here, is that in the first fight, it appeared Tate was the one mentally breaking beforehand. Rousey came off more glib, and Tate and boyfriend Bryan Caraway were up way too late the night before the fight on Twitter. This time, it comes across like Tate is the one pushing Rousey’s buttons.

Once again, you have to go back to the first fight. While Tate did get Rousey’s back for an instant, Rousey had her in the armbar and hurt her early, but Tate didn’t tap and escaped. A few minutes later, Rousey had her in it again, and hurt her a second time, and she did tap. Tate’s perception that her wrestling takedowns were stronger than Rousey’s judo throws proved to be wrong. Tate’s perception that Rousey didn’t deserve a title match, and was in there because of her mouth and her looks also proved to be wrong when she was clearly the superior fighter the first time out.

Still, if she can bait Rousey into a fist fight, she is far more experienced and will get Rousey out of her judo finishing game. Rousey is also coming off a year in fame and spotlight, and for a young person, that can weaken you as a fighter. Even more, she’s coming off filming two major movies, and historically fighters coming off the movie life are sitting ducks for upsets.

Still, the gap between the two fighters was big nearly two years ago. Rousey was new to the game, and still way ahead. Whether the fame has brought her down as a fighter, or time has brought her up from where she as at that time, there was a big gap two years ago that Tate has to catch up on.

Another interesting question is of crowd reaction. In February, Rousey was like a rock star at the Honda Center in Anaheim. But she went from being the All-American blond haired pretty girl with an Olympic medal to a psycho bitch on TUF, from Mia Hamm to Tonya Harding. The expectation is that Tate will be the crowd favorite, Rousey this past week said that UFC has made her the heel because somebody has to be.

Does that strengthen or weaken her as a draw, or does it make no difference? When it comes to this show, it’s going to be all based on interpretation.

The show should have done 1 million buys. But with the last few shows being soft, most predictions are that it won’t. If it doesn’t, people will be happy to jump on the idea that Rousey was a one-hit wonder and a novelty act that people are tired of. If by some chance it does, Silva and Weidman are going to get the credit.
 

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The actual announcement of the digital network, its name, what will be on it, pricing, etc. is expected this week. Given it is being launched before the Jan. 4 show in Singapore, doesn’t exactly give it a lot of lead time. Given that a web site in placement was able to be viewed by the public over the weekend, it is known that the working name is UFC Fight Pass and the cost will be $9.99 per month. The entire show, which airs at 6:30 a.m. Eastern time live, will only be available on the UFC digital network, with a lineup of largely unknown fighters aimed at the audience in Asia. The card as Russell Doane vs. Leandro Issa, Dustin Kimura vs. Jon delos Reyes, Tae Hyun Bang vs. Mairbek Taisumov, David Galera vs. Royston Wee, Katsunori Kikuno vs. Quinn Mulhern, Will Chope vs. Max Holloway, Shunich Shimiuz vs. Kyung Ho Kang, Luiz Dutra vs. Kiichi Kunimoto, Sean Soriano vs. Tatsuya Kawajiri and Tarec Saffiedine vs. Hyun Gyu Lim.

If Anderson Silva beats Chris Weidman, he still wants to do a boxing match with Roy Jones Jr. Spike has also had talks with Jones Jr. about doing a boxing match with Rampage Jackson. I don’t see how either of those ideas makes sense from an MMA perspective, and I don’t think right now is the time such a freak show fight would be that big of a deal as it would have been six years ago. Dana White is against that fight and he feels that Vitor Belfort should get the winner of Silva vs. Weidman.

The complete lineup for the 12/28 show starts with Facebook fights at 7 p.m. Eastern with Estevan Payan vs. Robert Peralta and William Macario vs. Bobby Voelker. FS 1 at 8 p.m. has Siyar Bahadurzada vs. John Howard, Dennis Siver vs. Manvel Gamburyan, Gleison Tibau vs. Michael Johnson and Uriah Hall vs. Chris Leben. The PPV fights are Diego Brandao vs. Dustin Poirier (which on paper sounds great), Jim Miller vs. Fabricio Camoes, Josh Barnett vs. Travis Browne, Ronda Rousey vs. Miesha Tate for the women’s title and Chris Weidman vs. Anderson Silva for the middleweight title.

ESPN is expected to heavily cover the show. Sports Illustrated in the magazine did a feature this week on Weidman.

Antonio Silva has claimed he will be suing Dr. Marcio Tannure, after testing positive for elevated levels of testosterone in his 12/7 fight with Mark Hunt. Silva was suspended for nine months, and had to forfeit his $50,000 best fight bonus. The UFC policy is if you win a bonus and have to forfeit it, either for testing positive or missing weight, your opponent gets it. So Hunt will get the $50,000. As best we can tell, Silva is not being stripped of his win bonus for the fight, even though he didn’t win. Dana White paid both Silva and Hunt win bonuses after the draw because of the quality of the fight. Silva said that he only did what his doctor told him to do. Silva claimed that he got an e-mail from Tannure on 11/30, saying that his levels were low and should start taking one shot of testosterone per week. So he said he took a shot on 11/30, and then tested positive . UFC itself did the testing in Australia, with Marc Ratner and Michael Mersch in charge. Silva’s positive test was a blood test, not a urine test, which showed serum testosterone over the allowable limits. Silva said that Tannure was the UFC’s doctor in Brazil (UFC officials say that Tannure is not the UFC doctor, but is the Brazilian MMA Athletic Commission doctor, but as the commission doctor, has worked UFC shows there). The nine month suspension is not as significant as it seemed, as Silva was injured and will be undergoing shoulder surgery. Hunt ended up with his hand broken in two places early in the same fight. Silva said that when it came out that he tested positive, he considered quitting the sport, but now said he wants to show that the positive test was not his fault and not an attempt to cheat.

Upcoming advances for shows. UFC 168 on 12/28 is of course, sold out live and the gate is in excess of $6 million, with closed circuit at $60 a head being opened up at the Marquee Ballroom in the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

The Jan. 4 show in Singapore (Hyun Gyu Lim vs. Tarec Saffiedine) has 2,000 tickets sold in a 3,500 seat arena. 1/15 in Duluth, GA (Luke Rockhold vs. Costa Philippou) has sold 1,500 tickets. That’s going to be very tough to draw given that main event, in that market, on a Wednesday. The 1/25 show in Chicago on FOX (Benson Henderson vs. Josh Thomson) has sold 5,600 tickets for $550,000, which is the slowest advance they’ve had in that market, but the early in the year Chicago card in the past has had bigger names. The 2/1 show in Newark, NJ (Dominick Cruz vs. Renan Barao; Jose Aldo vs. Ricardo Lamas) has sold 8,000 tickets for $1.05 million. That’s a little ahead of what I’d have expected because the New York area is tough unless you’ve got major shows.

Stefan Struve will be getting tests on his heart to see how his treatment is doing starting with the New Year. He’ll have a better idea regarding his career probably by late February.

George Sotiropolous, Alessio Sakara and Rosi Sexton have all been cut. Sotoripolous has lost consecutive fights to Dennis Siver, Rafael dos Anjos, Ross Pearson and K.J. Noons, and physically just had a look that he had aged rapidly. Sakara has also dropped four in a row, to Chris Weidman, Brian Stann, Patrick Cote (via DQ) and then was submitted in the first round by Nicholas Musoke. Sexton has gone 0-2 in UFC, losing to Alexis Davis and Jessica Andrade. She’s small for the 135 pound weight class and at 36, losing two straight didn’t indicate there was much upside for her past the fact she can take a punch and is very tough.

On UFC Tonight, Ariel Helwani reported that Phil Davis was looking for a bout with Shogun Rua.

Cody McKenzie said what happened regarding his wearing the trunks with the price tag still in them at the 12/14 show in Sacramento, is that he had left his shorts at the hotel, so got someone to rush to a store and get him basketball shorts to wear. McKenzie joked that because Herb Dean ripped the price tag off them, he wasn’t able to return them.

Adlan Amagov is suffering from personal issues and pulled out of the 1/15 show in Duluth, GA, where he was to face Jason High. Baneil Dariush, 6-0 with five finishes, will make his UFC debut against High. Amagov will be off training and fighting until he clears up his issues.

Clint Hester vs. Andy Enz was added to the 2/2 show in Newark, NJ. Both were picked for season 17 of The Ultimate Fighter. Hester has gone 2-0 since. Enz, 7-0, didn’t make it in the house, losing to Uriah Hall in the fight to get in, but has gone 3-0 with three submissions, all in less than 90 seconds, since.

Robert Whittaker vs. Stephen Thompson and Raphael Assuncao vs. Francisco Rivera have been added to the 2/22 show in Las Vegas.

Darrell Montague vs. Will Campuzano has been added to the 3/15 show in Dallas.

Chael Sonnen made up a story when appearing as a guest on TSN’s Off the Record, he claimed that he had several inches of his colon removed on 11/15, the day before his loss to Rashad Evans. According to those in the UFC, while nobody believed him, they did check with him on it and he admitted making it up. Well, he didn’t make it up exactly. Michael Landsberg, the host, said that he had found out from sources that was the case, asked Sonnen, and Sonnen appeared to agree.

Iuri Alcantara vs. Wilson Reis was added to the 2/15 show in Jaragua do Sul, Brazil.

Sergio Pettis vs. Alex Caceres has been added to the 1/25 show in Chicago.

Abel Trujillo vs. Bobby Green, matching up fighters who won last week in Sacramento, has been added to the 2/1 PPV show in Newark, NJ.




Glory ran another strong show on Spike on 12/22 from the Ariake Colosseum in Tokyo. The show did 659,000 viewers, a big increase over the 476,000 viewers the show did on its 11/23 show from the theater in Madison Square Garden, as well as up from the 381,000 viewers for the debut from Chicago. The previous shows had gotten excellent word of mouth, but still, that usually doesn’t make a big ratings difference. There was a peak viewership of 905,000 viewers for the opener (essentially being benefitted by a strong lead-in), but it dropped from there, as was the case with prior shows. Viewers stayed from the lead-in show, watched for a while, then tuned out, likely because they didn’t know who was fighting or didn’t care about kickboxing. But where this did good is that after losing viewers, they rebuilt and the Peter Aerts vs. Rico Verhoeven main event picked up to 873,000 viewers. To the live crowd in Japan, it was obvious the show was all about the retirement of Aerts, the last survivor of the rise of K-1 in that country, was by far the biggest thing on the show. When K-1 first hit it big mainstream in Japan, as a prime time network mainstream show, frequently doing 15.0 and higher ratings even before its peak under Bob Sapp years later, it was Aerts and the late Andy Hug who were the two biggest stars. Aerts, 43, in his 135th career fight, was hardly given an easy retirement fight with Verhoeven, who won the recent tournament for their world heavyweight title. Verhoeven, 24, was billed as tournament champion and not world champion. At the show, the talk seemed more like Aerts was doing his farewell fight in Japan and not an actual retirement fight. Verhoeven was significantly bigger, stronger and faster, but Aerts made it competitive in losing an exciting split decision. Aerts is probably the most popular of the foreign fighters due to his longevity in the country, and was always the sentimental favorite and most popular fighter in the last few K-1 World Grand Prix tournaments. The show was also built around a welterweight championship tournament, where Nieky Holzken first beat Karapat Karapetyan in the semifinals, and then beat Joseph Valtellini with a knockout in the final seconds of the fight. They continue to produce some of the best combat sports entertainment stuff on television, but with little interest in kickboxing and no name fighters in the U.S., this is going to be a slow build if it makes it. The next show on Spike will be 3/8 from Zagreb, Croatia, featuring Mirko Cro Cop vs. Remy Bonjasky.



Alexander Emelianenko, 32, a one-time star in Pride as the bigger and younger brother of Fedor, was in the news again last week for problems not related to fighting. Emelianenko was flagged from fighting in the U.S. due to coming up positive for Hepatitis years ago, but he still fights overseas, was scheduled to fight Mirko Cro Cop on 11/8 in Moscow, but Legend promotions pulled him from the show claiming he was unprofessional and unprepared. Company president Ruslan Suleymanow said Emelianenko had to flee Amsterdam, where he was training, after beating up a man at the hotel and in the melee, ended up being shot in the arm. Emelianenko claimed that story was a lie and that Legend wasn’t agreeing to the terms of the contract and also blasted Vadim Finkelchtein, his former manager (best known as Fedor’s manager) for ruining his reputation by calling him an alcoholic. In an interview with R-Sport, Alexander Emelianenko said that the people who are screwing him over will “F*** me over for only so long, and then I will shoot them all,” which probably isn’t the smartest choice of words. Emelianenko is currently training for a 12/22 fight in Siberia against former Bellator fighter Eric Prindle.
 

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Oh wow, didn't know WWE buyrates had actually begun to drop below 6 digits.
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If anyone calls the Survivor Series one of the “big four” WWE PPV shows, that reference is now beyond antiquated.

Original four? Yes. Actually, it was part of the original two. But it’s been years since the show was one of the big four. In 2008, when the show was headlined by John Cena vs. Chris Jericho and Edge vs. HHH vs. Vladimir Kozlov (after an angle took the advertised Jeff Hardy out of the match), the show did 191,000 domestic viewers and tied for fifth place. In 2009, it was in eighth place. In 2010, it was in fifth place. In 2011, it actually was a big deal because The Rock came out of a nearly eight year long retirement from being an active wrestler to do the main event, and it was the fourth biggest show of that year. But last year, it was seventh among 12 shows, clearly just another show on the roster, while the other originals, WrestleMania, Royal Rumble and SummerSlam, remain top three every year by a wide margin.

This year, it’s gone from big four to bottom four.

The 11/24 show from the TD Garden in Boston, with the key matches being Randy Orton vs. Big Show for the WWE title, John Cena vs. Alberto Del Rio for the world title and Daniel Bryan & C.M. Punk vs. Luke Harper & Erick Rowan, did 95,000 domestic buys and 84,000 international buys, for a 179,000 total.

That is, by a wide margin, the worst performing Survivor Series in history. The domestic drop was 24 percent and international drop was eight percent from last year’s record low numbers of 125,000 domestic and 91,000 international, for a show headlined by Punk vs. Cena vs. Ryback for the WWE title and Big Show vs. Sheamus for the world title.

Between January and August, the lowest WWE domestic PPV number was 108,000 buys, for the Payback show (John Cena vs. Ryback in a Three Stages of Hell match for the WWE title; Alberto Del Rio vs. Dolph Ziggler for world title). Since SummerSlam, three of the four shows have done 95,000 or less domestic.

So the question becomes what has changed?

There are a number of obvious factors, The Authority heel storyline really started when HHH gave Bryan a pedigree at SummerSlam, and creative has been a lot more bad than good since that time. Orton was the headliner in all of those shows. Cena vs. Bryan did not do that well at SummerSlam as compared with other years, and they had a strong semifinal in Punk vs. Brock Lesnar that did have great promo buildup, and that was before Orton was put in the top mix. But in hindsight, the SummerSlam number is still double the domestic numbers of three of the next four shows. Since then, Orton had headlined three bad numbers out of four, and now with different opponents. The one show that did well, Hell in a Cell, was with Cena’s comeback from an injury, the return of Shawn Michaels and Hell in the Cell promised blow-offs to both the Bryan vs. Orton and the Punk vs. Heyman programs. Cena was even kept off television to build the return for PPV.

Bryan was buried in many ways as the top babyface and Night of Champions and Battleground didn’t have Cena. From a fan standpoint, they had also gone into Survivor Series with three straight lackluster shows, and four straight screw job endings, with HHH turning on Bryan at SummerSlam, the fast count at Night of Champions, the no contest at Battleground when Show knocked out both Bryan and Orton, and then Shawn Michaels as ref turning on Bryan in the Hell in a Cell match. There were rumblings that they had done one or two screw jobs too many given the high price they were charging for the shows. And that the quality of PPVs has dropped greatly from early in the year.

It is either another causal factor or a coincidental correlation, but ever since the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Canelo Alvarez fight in September, everyone’s PPVs, whether it be boxing, UFC or WWE, have been consistently disappointing. Jon Jones and Cain Velasquez both headlined to their weakest numbers, and Georges St-Pierre had his lowest numbers since 2008. Manny Pacquiao had by far his lowest numbers (475,000, previous low was 700,000) since he beat Oscar de la Hoya and become a top-tier star. Survivor Series did its lowest numbers in history.

It could simply be that with 2.2 million PPV buyers spending $70 for the biggest PPV in years, a lot of UFC and WWE buyers were in that mix and not willing to make a purchase of another PPV so quickly. Or it may not be as much financial as much as excitement. PPV purchases are about creating a level of excitement in the main event fight. Mayweather Jr. is in a league of his own when it comes to building a fight, and nobody has been able to follow the level he created. Perhaps it’s economics, but historically, PPV has been about the ability of the promotion to generate excitement and anticipation, and not something where purchases varied based on price. Historically, the lower the price the fewer people buy, because people don’t buy what they consider a secondary product on PPV. The other companies and boxing haven’t been able to come close to creating that atmosphere.

Usually, bad shows don’t bring follow-up bad numbers, nor do great shows or promise of great fights usually increase numbers. It’s the event presented and anticipation created, along with the current interest level in the promotion, that is the key. But consistent screw jobs and a situation where the buyer feels ripped off when he’s paying extra and the big moments are free on television the next day is not conducive to maintaining buyers. Still, for WWE, the future is not PPV, but monthly TV specials that will become far less important both to the audience and to the company’s economy because they’ll just be three hours a month on a subscription TV station.

Perhaps this explains why the original HHH vs. Show idea for PPV went nowhere. After being built up for months with Show being broke, HHH buying his house, firing him, the lawsuit, all of a sudden the entire storyline was dropped and Show went from the main event to just a guy filling a spot in a four-way tag team title match.

But Survivor Series you have to throw out the Bryan as top babyface argument, given that he was downplayed on the show, and Cena was on the show, although in a somewhat cold match with Del Rio. This time it was Orton vs. Show, and it was not a match people wanted to see. The blame can’t be put on Bryan’s inability to headline successfully since it’s now Orton, not Bryan, who is the main event constant as champion.
 
Superman would be more interesting if his character had some other weakness or vulnerability save for Kryptonite or occasionally having to go out of his way to save Lois Lane. Invincibility is boring, and everything that could be said about this otherwise all-powerful being has already been told.

The only redemption of the last reboot is that they finally portrayed Superman in film with any sort of appreciable muscle mass.

Yeah. Superman is, inherently, a hard character to relate to, sympathize with or like.

The Reeves movies dealt with this by making the whole thing a campy, charming romp that didn't take itself too seriously. That was the key to their success.

Man of Steel stripped away all the charm and just added loads of SFX. And the SFX weren't even that great, so they piled on tons of nausea-inducing shaky-cam plugin into the FX pipeline to cover the gaps. I thought the movie was pretty horrible overall, but as my friends and I left the theater all we could comment on for the first hour or so was how glad we were that we didn't see it in 3D due to all the shake.
 
Alexander Emelianenko said that the people who are screwing him over will “F*** me over for only so long, and then I will shoot them all,” which probably isn’t the smartest choice of words.

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will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
That's a lot of screwing and fucking. Now I know why he'd never pass a blood test to make him eligible to fight in America.
 

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Dana's shit-eating grin when asked if Brock would be in town for 168. Get ready for a run-in after the Barnett fight, friends. Dana spent the GSP money.

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Didn't we just do the Dana/Brock thing like 6 months ago? Maybe even less than that?

All of WWE's television contracts expire in a few months. WWE to FOX Sports, running back-to-back with their fellow sports entertainers like the good ol' days and brokering a deal for Brock vs. Big Country in 2014. UFC is desperate for a draw now that GSP is gone, with Anderson soon to follow.

Heel the soothsayer has spoken.
 
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