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MMA-GAF |OT5| Father Time Is Undefeated
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Let's ask Rampage:
Oh Hampage.
That's... a perfect response.Let's ask Rampage:
dream
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New York, NY - November 18, 2014 Bellator 131 knocked out the competition on Saturday, November 15 with record ratings for the emerging MMA franchise under new president Scott Coker. The Bellator 131 main event between Tito Ortiz and Stephan Bonnar (11:50pm-12:16am) drew 1.8 million viewers, peaking at 2 million, making it the most-watched and highestrated MMA fight on cable in 2014.
The Ortiz-Bonnar fight ranks as 2nd highest-rated MMA fight telecast in all of television with Men 18-34 and Men 18-49, including broadcast, in 2014. Also, Ortiz-Bonnar ranked #2 in its timeslot in all of cable with Men 18-34 and Men 18-49.
The Ortiz-Bonnar fight ranks as 2nd highest-rated MMA fight telecast in all of television with Men 18-34 and Men 18-49, including broadcast, in 2014. Also, Ortiz-Bonnar ranked #2 in its timeslot in all of cable with Men 18-34 and Men 18-49.
Sato Koiji
Member
What is this gif? Grown baby? What is this?
N° 2048
Member
holy shit I'm laughing so hard at this.
I was starting to feel bad for being creeped out. Thought someone had some type of disease...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsBOmGNqlYs
TheKaeptain
Banned
Hahahaha based Bellator.
Sato Koiji
Member
ALRIGHTY!
After last night conference I caught up with McGregor and saw all his UFC fights and some amateur stuff. I gotta tell ya im very impressed by this guy. Hes able to mix looseness and power together intelligently
What really caught my eye:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm6JNtyVo#t=367
Its just a perfect counter. He was only able to execute this while being unbelievably calm. Notice the tiny step backwards and slip almost simultaneously.
After last night conference I caught up with McGregor and saw all his UFC fights and some amateur stuff. I gotta tell ya im very impressed by this guy. Hes able to mix looseness and power together intelligently
What really caught my eye:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm6JNtyVo#t=367
Its just a perfect counter. He was only able to execute this while being unbelievably calm. Notice the tiny step backwards and slip almost simultaneously.
N° 2048
Member
Conor has some serious analytical sense when it comes to fighting. He knows how to read his opponents so well.
http://youtu.be/obgm6JNtyVo?t=7m25s
http://youtu.be/obgm6JNtyVo?t=7m25s
Ninja Scooter
Member
Lol that's awesome. I'm sure Fox will be happy to see this.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Good lord. Does the Fox family of networks really want to air all that?jesus fucking christ. they've learned nothing.
Fight Pass future
Also it's kind of surreal that Tito Bonnar draws better ratings than anything the UFC has to offer now
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I'm guessing the "TBD" dates are for Fox cards.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The lesson to be learned here for Dana? Stop trying to turn MMA into a "legit sport". The mass majority of people just don't see it that way and never will. MMA will never be on the front page of the sports section. I think everybody could have predicted that Tito/Bonnar would probably be a shit fight, but Tito and Bonnar are big names. Less cards/More names is a start for UFC. They also need to quit trying to force fighters to fit into their vanilla ass marketing schemes and let the cream rise to the top.
lmao
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Weren't they considering this already?
Anyhow, I agree. To be taken seriously as a sports organization in the USA you need a good, three-letter initialism. Bel-la-tor is too much of a mouthful. That and it's some high-falutin' foreigner language like Turkish or something that I dun understand.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Give him six months of sprawl and have him fight Nate Diaz.
http://www.sherdog.com/blog/62YearOld-Mickey-Rourke-to-Compete-in-Boxing-Match-in-Moscow-77525
http://www.sherdog.com/blog/62YearOld-Mickey-Rourke-to-Compete-in-Boxing-Match-in-Moscow-77525
Spiderjericho
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It's true, most of the big sport leagues have three or four-letter acronym names like NCAA, MLB, MLS, NBA, NFL, NHL, etc.
Names like Bellator, Strike Force or WSoF (that's not too bad) don't resonate.
Despite the quality of fighters, I feel like Bellator did a great job with presentation and making a compelling reason to watch fights on a Saturday night.
Names like Bellator, Strike Force or WSoF (that's not too bad) don't resonate.
Despite the quality of fighters, I feel like Bellator did a great job with presentation and making a compelling reason to watch fights on a Saturday night.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Coker needs to get hooked up with local gyms as well.
One of his true successes with Strikeforce was his partnership with AKA and other Californian gyms.
are they willing to commit to that though?
They just signed the hottest prospect in MMA, Aaron Pico. Surprise, training with AKA:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/11/...pect-aaron-pico-gold-gloves-olympic-wrestling
Bob Cook is head over heels about this kid.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/1/4...n-pico-is-greatest-mma-prospect-ive-ever-seen
But yeah, in the long term it becomes about finding the next big thing. I actually think Bellator had been pretty good at staying on curve under their old regime as far as new talent is concerned, though it remains to be seen if any of them can draw money.
Julio Neves Jr. (this kid isssss nasty)
Michael Page
Russians
It only gets better from here with Coker / Rich Chou, IMO.
I guess time will tell. Spike has already thrown around a lot of cash signing these old timers.
Rockhold just got a huge extension. Makes me feel like UFC wants to lock down fighters before it come to that, like it did with Gil Melendez.
Following recent revision, S&P confirms Zuffa earnings are down 40% in 2014
Time for Uncle Dana to go.
Time for Uncle Dana to go.
Spiderjericho
Member
I don't think he should go necessarily. The company is trying to "expand" the sport internationally and make it more mainstream (FS1/FS2, Fox, etc). They're after those long-term figures.
I will say I became a fan of the sport in the last 2000s. And right now, it "feels" like the buy rates and interest has gone down due to the Pay Per View cards being watered down, unmarketable stars to a lesser extent (compared to GSP, Penn, Rampage, Lesnar, etc), cards every week, etc. Back then, you had a PPV card probably once a month and the cards felt "special."
What was the last card with a high buy rate? Was it the Anderson Leg break and Rhousey/Tate 2?
New Japanese MMA promotion that would be worth watching at least once.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/11/20/7256723/japanese-fighting-promotion-with-crazy-rules-to-debut-in-february
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/11/20/7256723/japanese-fighting-promotion-with-crazy-rules-to-debut-in-february
This is so dumb, I'm totally exited for gifs from that!
(and better ratings on HDTV then any PPV featuring a main event fighter below 155pounds)
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
The problem is that the UFC are trying to be a "proper" sport when:
1) The vast majority of people in the world consider MMA to be more a spectacle than a sport.
2) The UFC doesn't know how a sport should fundamentally be operated.
3) The UFC's business plan - and MMA as a whole really - goes against how a sport should be operated.
Host Samurai
Member
This. Glad to see 90% of the posters in this thread are on the same page.
Been losing more and more interest in UFC by the event. The cards all suck. I seriously don't remember the last time a card was stacked from head to toe
Can Crusher
Banned
Time for UFC to go back to show biz.
D
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I'll watch it at least once.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I think it's time to accept that the Brock Lesnar era was an outlier. I think at the time a lot of us (Dana and co included) thought that was the dawn of mma becoming a legit sport and a part of the sports culture consciousness when in reality it turns out that was just the peak.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Speaking of Brock. A very good drinking game you can always rely on is to have a Coors Light (because Bud Light won't pay you nothing) whenever an MMA journalist writes an article about the potential of Brock coming back. It's the biggest innovation in combating slow news days since the Top Ten list was invented.
The cards don't all suck. It's even worse than that, so many of the cards suck that it's impossible to remember that there is actually a decent/good card on the schedule. I got reminded on Wednesday that there was a damn heavyweight title fight this past week. I knew it was coming up sometime soon, but there's a UFC card that I don't have any interest in watching most every weekend and just figured this was another one of those weeks.
The fact that the free cards are 100% unwatchable even when the fights are okay doesn't help. Quick finish? Great! That means we can fit 20 more minutes of ads here. Oh, wait, where did everybody go? Why isn't anybody still watching? Guys?
Sato Koiji
Member
Pretty hilarious how many articles these clowns write about a 38 year old, coming off a 4 year layoff and diverticulitis returning to MMA
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
The problem is that there's nothing to focus on.
One big event a month = the centre of attention for everyone. At least four weeks to build momentum and marketing buzz. It becomes a mainstream spectacle and attracts new fans and casual viewers.
One big event and a smaller event every month = the small event helps build up potential stars and provides a free advert and mindshare for the big event. New fans and casual viewers may still be interested as it would probably be free.
One big event and two smaller events = Er... passable. Still enough time to build up the big event, but they're gonna be scraping the bottom of the barrel of the roster to fill out those cards.
Four smaller events = That once-big event has been torn apart to fill the cards for the smaller events. Now each event has equal importance even though they're generally not important at all unless there's a title shot on one of them. There's not enough time or resources to make a major marketing push for the largest of these small events, nor is there enough quality on the cards to boost mindshare. At this point, you're just preaching to the choir instead of inviting a new audience.
Five smaller events = Please stop.
Six smaller events = Oh god make it stop.
Seven smaller events = The UFC's laughable answer in 2016 to stave off bankruptcy.
And before anyone hits that "Quote" button: I am not attacking the fighters involved. I am not questioning the ability of fighters nor their heart or their resolve or even their personalities just because they don't have a Wikipedia page. All I'm saying is that they should not be fighting in the UFC for the sole fact that the UFC should not be running this many events. I've always envisioned the UFC to be the "Champions League" of MMA, meaning that only the best and most noteworthy fighters should be involved. But with these 4+ events every month the UFC has devolved into a state where fighting in the UFC is all but guaranteed to any warm body that has two arms, a pulse, a body temperature of between 36c-37c and six months of sprawl.
Brock can sell fights but not fight them.
But like Scooter said, it's more indicative of the state of the industry than anything else that MMA journalists, Dana, et al, cling to Brock's name in an attempt to interest people, as it harkens back to the days when the UFC could do no wrong and MMA was experiencing a massive boom. It's kind of like if the British Prime Minister were to tell a journalist "Canadians like Prince William and his wife" and then having the journalist write "There's a chance the Canadians might rejoin the UK!! We're making calls and talking to people, but nothing yet."
Ninja Scooter
Member
Very true, but think about it. Tito and Bonnar are both washed up. Everyone knows they are washed up. Yet their Bellator event just pulled better ratings than anything UFC has done all year. It's indicative of the state of where mma is as a sport, and also indicative at how terrible UFC has been at building stars over the last 3-4 years.