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Shouldn't they be getting tough with Iran? You know, the party threatening to destroy their civilian shipping and impede their freedom of navigation?
Why? They stated that ships that belong to neutral countries can sail the strait but not a lot of ships really risked it, a French one did five days ago and went without problem. They've chosen to get tough with the US because it started a war without letting any of its allies know, because it knew it would actually have to make a legal case for war for them to agree and there was no real threat/basis to do it. At least with Iraq we had "sexed up" dossiers to try to make the threat seem real to get countries involved.

The US threatened to take one of the ally's country not long ago too. Why should they automatically get tough with Iran and not the lunatic who launched the war and threatened to take Greenland? Iran hasn't really threatened to invade a European country and is not a threat. Despite all this Europe's rhetoric and council voting has been mostly aimed against Iran and not the US. They try to keep the Arab countries and NATO happy on the face of it because they rely on them and Iran is not seen as important/a trade partner (due to sanctions). Hence why we get the stupid NATO threats by Trump and Rubio when they're not getting their way because that's their leverage. Like a mobster the Trump administration lives on threats mostly. Threats of sacking/legal action on US officials/generals who don't follow blindly, threats of invasion/attacks or tarrifs on nations who don't do as he says, threats on media/news organisations having their broadcast licenses removed or funding cut if they broadcast anti-Trump news. same with universities even. It's disgraceful, you might get your way but you're certainly not making friends. so don't be surprised when they tell Trump to go fuck himself when Trump claims to have obliterated everything but still requires help/warships from other countries for his mess.
 
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What USA did to stop Russians in Ukraine in first 3 days of war?
Javelins, Stingers, billions of dollars of funding in the preceding years, free support of by far the greatest intelligence gathering apparatus in the world, Pentagon coordination of the response...

You may be right that USA could take Greenland (duh) and maybe even Canada by force, but I don't think it would be as easy as some people think.
Greenland would not even be a fight. The US would declare it is taking ownership of it on a certain day and Denmark would stand down its troops. The rest of NATO combined could not take it back and nor would it try. There is no military question to even consider, only a diplomatic one.
 
Why? They stated that ships that belong to neutral countries can sail the strait but not a lot of ships really risked it, a French one did five days ago and went without problem. They've chosen to get tough with the US because it started a war without letting any of its allies know, because it knew it would actually have to make a legal case for war for them to agree and there was no real threat/basis to do it. At least with Iraq we had "sexed up" dossiers to try to make the threat seem real to get countries involved.

The US threatened to take one of the ally's country not long ago too. Why should they automatically get tough with Iran and not the lunatic who launched the war and threatened to take Greenland? Iran hasn't really threatened to invade a European country and is not a threat. Despite all this Europe's rhetoric and council voting has been mostly aimed against Iran and not the US. They try to keep the Arab countries and NATO happy on the face of it because they rely on them and Iran is not seen as important/a trade partner (due to sanctions). Hence why we get the stupid NATO threats by Trump and Rubio when they're not getting their way because that's their leverage. Like a mobster the Trump administration lives on threats mostly. Threats of sacking/legal action on US officials/generals who don't follow blindly, threats of invasion/attacks or tarrifs on nations who don't do as he says, threats on media/news organisations having their broadcast licenses removed or funding cut if they brodcast anti-Trump news. same with universities even. It's disgraceful, you might get your way but you're certainly not making friends. so don't be surprised when they tell Trump to go fuck himself when Trump claims to have obliterated everything but still requires help/warships from other countries for his mess.

Yes. "Neutral countries". Well, that's a hell of a lot room to work there. All this shit for a dollar that needs to die. Make no mistake: once the USD dies, all other FIAT currencies die. Continue to cut your nose off to spite our face.
 
Greenland would not even be a fight. The US would declare it is taking ownership of it on a certain day and Denmark would stand down its troops. The rest of NATO combined could not take it back and nor would it try. There is no military question to even consider, only a diplomatic one.

And then we wonder why multiple NATO countries refuse to join us.
 
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And then we wonder why multiple NATO countries refuse to join us.

All of this for a dollar that needs to die. Although, most countries won't like this. They will have no backing on their new currency. Even with our 9k tons of metric gold and resources, it will be weak for a few years.
 
Facts are that the US military isn't that mighty.

6 weeks of US might has enabled Iran to hold the global economy by the balls and charge $1million per ship passing through the strait…
 
Facts are that the US military isn't that mighty.

6 weeks of US might has enabled Iran to hold the global economy by the balls and charge $1million per ship passing through the strait…
Our military is very mighty. Our willpower of the people is very weak. Of course, the weakest link.
 
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Not relevant. They'll have people for every open position.
These aren't "leaders". It's not really clear what's going on with the leadership right now.

The war is unlikely to resume. Trump has his off ramp.
Judging by the latest news, the war could resume in the coming hours.

but also think of terrain and conditions too.
Yes, but it's unlikely that the repair crews will travel by camel and 2 weeks is still enough time.

Sure fertilizer exports
Approximately one-third (about 33%) of the world's commercial helium supply passes through the Strait of Hormuz,

You said Russia doesn't have drones to spare. Your updated response is that a small number of drones implies a tech transfer. Is it no drones, or some drones? I've been consistent this entire time while you have not.
I have said (and continue to say) the same thing: Russia does not have surplus drones (it clearly needs them for its own use) in quantities that could be used for attacks by Iranians. "They might have transferred the technology" as I mentioned at the beginning, implies that only a small number could have been sent.

Information that Russia is sending drones to Iran works against that goal, because more drones in that theater means there needs to be more defenses shifted to the Middle East. Just trying to understand your logic here.
Ukraine disappeared from the global news agenda and there were fears that it would be forgotten amid the US's war with Iran. So the logic is simple: apart from reminding of its presence, this creates new grounds for sanctions, additional arguments for requesting weapons or easing current restrictions, as well as opportunities to sell its interceptors. This is already standard practice, there's nothing new about it.
 
Facts are that the US military isn't that mighty.

6 weeks of US might has enabled Iran to hold the global economy by the balls and charge $1million per ship passing through the strait…

You do realize that idiotic request is just a start to negotiations, right? We're not gonna get our 15 point either.
 
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Why? They stated that ships that belong to neutral countries can sail the strait but not a lot of ships really risked it, a French one did five days ago and went without problem. They've chosen to get tough with the US because it started a war without letting any of its allies know, because it knew it would actually have to make a legal case for war for them to agree and there was no real threat/basis to do it. At least with Iraq we had "sexed up" dossiers to try to make the threat seem real to get countries involved.

The US threatened to take one of the ally's country not long ago too. Why should they automatically get tough with Iran and not the lunatic who launched the war and threatened to take Greenland? Iran hasn't really threatened to invade a European country and is not a threat. Despite all this Europe's rhetoric and council voting has been mostly aimed against Iran and not the US. They try to keep the Arab countries and NATO happy on the face of it because they rely on them and Iran is not seen as important/a trade partner (due to sanctions). Hence why we get the stupid NATO threats by Trump and Rubio when they're not getting their way because that's their leverage. Like a mobster the Trump administration lives on threats mostly. Threats of sacking/legal action on US officials/generals who don't follow blindly, threats of invasion/attacks or tarrifs on nations who don't do as he says, threats on media/news organisations having their broadcast licenses removed or funding cut if they broadcast anti-Trump news. same with universities even. It's disgraceful, you might get your way but you're certainly not making friends. so don't be surprised when they tell Trump to go fuck himself when Trump claims to have obliterated everything but still requires help/warships from other countries for his mess.
Aaahhh I'm sure the 40000 dead iranian people who were simply protesting for freedom and especially their family members, feel this way.

if only doodoo head trump didn't do anything, things would have been absolutely perfect like they were before. Iranians getting slaughtered for wanting freedom, the good ol' days..
 
So it's a another never ending war with no outcome
Only if weaklings get their way. We'll be back here in 5-10 if no regime change. Best to do it now. Unless they fully capitulate. They're not. Well, maybe not fully, but mostly.
 
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Mission Accomplished!!!

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What USA did to stop Russians in Ukraine in first 3 days of war?

Only have to bloody scream that Russia was amassing forces that mostly US military assets had detected and were tracking.

If I recall correctly, the only other even slightly significant power was the UK flying in pallet loads of anti-tank weapons.

The US were the ones who offered to evacuate Zelenski and his family just before the invasion.
 
So you think we should just leave? This is assuming they don't meet our demands. You'll know we'll be back in 5-10 years, right?

Yeah, that's the bottom line. We were there last year too obliterating things and yet here we are again less than a calendar year.
 
Yeah, that's the bottom line. We were there last year too obliterating things and yet here we are again less than a calendar year.

That's why it needs to end now. Unless, you want end all of our alliances in Europe and the middle east. If you want to do that, I'm all ears. They have the full capabilities to strike the islands we had our bombers off of. If they can strike there, they can strike most of Europe.
 
That's why it needs to end now. Unless, you want end all of our alliances in Europe and the middle east. If you want to do that, I'm all ears. They have the full capabilities to strike the islands we had our bombers off of. If they can strike there, they can strike most of Europe.

But what does "end now" mean, it was established numerous times by POTUS and Sec Hegseth that this is not a regime change war.

The goals and objectives are supposedly already met if we go by the communication.
 
It wouldn't have taken much longer than that without US involvement.

Strong support from the West started coming in after the Ukrainians held the Russians for a couple of weeks.

heavy weapons came months later


What? We gave them cash money for their pensions and government, we gave systems we didn't have a whole of. Mainly patriots and Himars. Unless the 3 days is a kicker for a gotcha. America put forth more than Europe did for awhile. Even now, you're buying our excess military equipment. Where is this fabled Euro arms production that we've been hearing so much about? Ya, Europe has passed us on aid, but you should've.

Patriots and HIMARS certainly didn't come within the first months of the war, let alone 'days'.

So you think we should just leave? This is assuming they don't meet our demands. You'll know we'll be back in 5-10 years, right?

It will be a far tougher job in 5 years
 
Facts are that the US military isn't that mighty.

6 weeks of US might has enabled Iran to hold the global economy by the balls and charge $1million per ship passing through the strait…

This is silly. Do you not realize how easily we could decimate with the tech and munitions we have? There is a little thing called war crimes though that kind of get in the way, thankfully.
 
But what does "end now" mean, it was established numerous times by POTUS and Sec Hegseth that this is not a regime change war.

The goals and objectives are supposedly already met if we go by the communication.

Not sure what this has to do with Trump. The end goal should be regime change or at least complete abolition of their nuke capablility. Trump just tweets meaningless platitudes that most of us pay no attention to. Unless some, like the last one. Hell, even the last one we did. lol Just a redline his ass wasn't gonna cross. Unless, you wanna talk about his dumbass laying that one out.
 
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Aaahhh I'm sure the 40000 dead iranian people who were simply protesting for freedom and especially their family members, feel this way.

if only doodoo head trump didn't do anything, things would have been absolutely perfect like they were before. Iranians getting slaughtered for wanting freedom, the good ol' days..
What a strange whataboutism. That's a civil conflict. Nobody is saying Iran is/was perfect. What's funny about this is that Trump even told the public he provided guns to Iran militias in the hope of promoting civil unrest. if Iran thwarted that but it resulted in further Iranian deaths I'm sure Trump supporters would have been using that as the reason for the bombing anyway and how iran is a tyrant. Everybody knows it's not perfect. Same with other places with civil unrest. Wonder why we don't go attack those though spreading our "freedom". What makes you think this is about freedom or will be anyway? Did freedom come to Afghanistan after that invasion or did the Taliban still rule and nothing changed?
 
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Strong support from the West started coming in after the Ukrainians held the Russians for a couple of weeks.

heavy weapons came months later




Patriots and HIMARS certainly didn't come within the first months of the war, let alone 'days'.



It will be a far tougher job in 5 years
Yes, it could be a far tougher job in 5 years. These bastards might even have nukes. The patriots and Himars did come tho. More air defense and long range strike capability the Europe provided. BTW.
 
Aaahhh I'm sure the 40000 dead iranian people who were simply protesting for freedom and especially their family members, feel this way.

if only doodoo head trump didn't do anything, things would have been absolutely perfect like they were before. Iranians getting slaughtered for wanting freedom, the good ol' days..

Trump doesn't care about those 40k people, nor does anyone his admin, nor does the average American. People only care about Persians if it can serve as a pre text.
 
Summary of the day:
The ceasefire plan is not the ceasefire plan.

And the ceasefire (that's not "the" ceasefire) was already violated by both sides.

A new (big beautiful) ceasefire will be discussed at the weekend.
 
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Not sure what this has to do with Trump. The end goal should be regime change or at least complete abolition of their nuke capablility. Trump just tweets meaningless platitudes that most of us pay no attention to. Unless some, like the last one. Hell, even the last one we did. lol Just a redline his ass wasn't gonna cross. Unless, you wanna talk about his dumbass laying that one out.

I have good news for you:

 
Even Megyn Kelly has turned on Trump. Never thought I'd see the day lol

You know times are wild when Alex fucking Jones is asking the 25th to be invoked.


Do you believe that to be true? Trump's major language is hyperbole. I thought this wasn't possible by his naysayers either way.

It's hard to take anything the current WH says at face value but they specifically stopped last years operation with context of it stopping or setting back the nuclear capabilities by years.
 
You know times are wild when Alex fucking Jones is asking the 25th to be invoked.




It's hard to take anything the current WH says at face value but they specifically stopped last years operation with context of it stopping or setting back the nuclear capabilities by years.

Do you believe that? Because I don't. The whitehouse will lie no matter who is. AJ has CIA ties btw. All his dumbshit he says, it makes sense.
 
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Do you believe that to be true? Trump's major language is hyperbole. I thought this wasn't possible by his naysayers either way.
His major language is mostly telling lies to save face and claim he's great on the news. he'll say any old lie for that (like his dumb claim that Iran struck the school with a Tomahawk) but having said that even Netanyahu was claiming it was over last June:

After the 12 day war in June, Netanyahu declared unequivocal victory. Israel had "removed two existential threats," eliminating Iran's ballistic missiles and its nuclear program.

"This victory," he told Israelis last summer, "will stand for decades."

It didn't even stand for one year let alone decades.
 
His major language is mostly telling lies to save face and claim he's great on the news. he'll say any old lie for that (like his dumb claim that Iran struck the school with a Tomahawk) but having said that even Netanyahu was claiming it was over last June:



It didn't even stand for one year let alone decades.

It wouldn't say it's lies. But there's a whole lot of truth stretching and hyperbole there. Just like every other administration since I can remember, since I was born. You only get their truth.
 
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I agree with your sentiment on them. But its more that his coalition of support is seriously eroding

That coalition were a bunch of tards anyways. Add that Nick guy as well. The left will vote for the left, the right will vote for the right. Us independants will vote for who we do. There's a reason why the swing states are so important. Very few times you get flips on those hard to get places. The only time they do is if they get GOTV shit right. IT happens on both sides tho.
 
His die hard supporters are jumping ship. MAGA is fracturing big time

His die hard supporters are still there. If you don't believe me, look up tiger droppings political board. There is some reasonable discussion, but the rest is filled with "fags" shit. Us independants are falling off; his base is fractured, but not shattered.
 
Even Megyn Kelly has turned on Trump. Never thought I'd see the day lol
Eh? She pivoted some time ago and sided with Cucker - I think it happened after Kirk's assassination. She even has a new name now - Grandma Groyper (reminds me of Hasan's title of the Oldest Teenager). I think she originally wanted - for a moment - side with Fuentes, but then groypers and Candace's group kinda went separate ways.

I agree with your sentiment on them. But its more that his coalition of support is seriously eroding
These people represent around 10% at best. It is like Massie and DeSimps - very loud online, but when polls are done they turn out to represent around 10% usually.
 
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These people represent around 10% at best. It is like Massie and DeSimps - very loud online, but when polls are done they turn out to represent around 10% usually.
Sure but 10% is a landslide loss in the midterms given the current political climate and razor thin margins. That's like a 20+ seat swing in the house and dems taking the senate. Insane to think about given where we were just 8 months ago.
 
Sure but 10% is a landslide loss in the midterms given the current political climate and razor thin margins. That's like a 20+ seat swing in the house and dems taking the senate. Insane to think about given where we were just 8 months ago.
I think midterms will surprise people this time around.
 
I think midterms will surprise people this time around.

Well, honestly, most of it won't matter. There's only a few battlegrounds that go around. The rest will be hard red or blue. Only the GE is where you get independents that make a difference. There are some exceptions of course.
 
Well, honestly, most of it won't matter. There's only a few battlegrounds that go around. The rest will be hard red or blue. Only the GE is where you get independents that make a difference. There are some exceptions of course.
Yeah. It is also pretty apparent at this point that the Congress is relatively useless.

There are more things can be done simply by crossing the Rubicon at this point if anybody is willing to do that. I think at one point it will happen.
 
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Yeah. It is also pretty apparent at this point that the Congress is relatively useless.

There are more things can be done simply by crossing the Rubicon at this point if anybody is willing to do that. I think at one point it will happen.

Our congress has been useless for decades. They gave up war powers to our executive branch for a reason. Much easier to heckle from the peanut gallery than actually do your fucking job. Much easier to do insider trading. This is both sides btw.
 
This one's an excellent read. Here's a snippet.

Article:
The results of the U.S. intelligence analysis were shared the following day, Feb. 12, in another meeting for only American officials in the Situation Room. Before Mr. Trump arrived, two senior intelligence officials briefed the president's inner circle.

The intelligence officials had deep expertise in U.S. military capabilities, and they knew the Iranian system and its players inside out. They had broken down Mr. Netanyahu's presentation into four parts. First was decapitation — killing the ayatollah. Second was crippling Iran's capacity to project power and threaten its neighbors. Third was a popular uprising inside Iran. And fourth was regime change, with a secular leader installed to govern the country.

The U.S. officials assessed that the first two objectives were achievable with American intelligence and military power. They assessed that the third and fourth parts of Mr. Netanyahu's pitch, which included the possibility of the Kurds mounting a ground invasion of Iran, were detached from reality.

When Mr. Trump joined the meeting, Mr. Ratcliffe briefed him on the assessment. The C.I.A. director used one word to describe the Israeli prime minister's regime change scenarios: "farcical."

At that point, Mr. Rubio cut in. "In other words, it's bullshit," he said.

Mr. Ratcliffe added that given the unpredictability of events in any conflict, regime change could happen, but it should not be considered an achievable objective.

Several others jumped in, including Mr. Vance, just back from Azerbaijan, who also expressed strong skepticism about the prospect of regime change.

The president then turned to General Caine. "General, what do you think?"

General Caine replied: "Sir, this is, in my experience, standard operating procedure for the Israelis. They oversell, and their plans are not always well-developed. They know they need us, and that's why they're hard-selling."

Mr. Trump quickly weighed the assessment. Regime change, he said, would be "their problem." It was unclear whether he was referring to the Israelis or the Iranian people. But the bottom line was that his decision on whether to go to war against Iran would not hinge on whether Parts 3 and 4 of Mr. Netanyahu's presentation were achievable.

Mr. Trump appeared to remain very interested in accomplishing Parts 1 and 2: killing the ayatollah and Iran's top leaders and dismantling the Iranian military.

General Caine — the man Mr. Trump liked to refer to as "Razin' Caine" — had impressed the president years earlier by telling him the Islamic State could be defeated far more quickly than others had projected. Mr. Trump rewarded that confidence by elevating the general, who had been an Air Force fighter pilot, to be his top military adviser. General Caine was not a political loyalist, and he had serious concerns about a war with Iran. But he was very cautious in the way he presented his views to the president.

As the small team of advisers who were looped into the plans deliberated over the following days, General Caine shared with Mr. Trump and others the alarming military assessment that a major campaign against Iran would drastically deplete stockpiles of American weaponry, including missile interceptors, whose supply had been strained after years of support for Ukraine and Israel. General Caine saw no clear path to quickly replenishing these stockpiles.

He also flagged the enormous difficulty of securing the Strait of Hormuz and the risks of Iran blocking it. Mr. Trump had dismissed that possibility on the assumption that the regime would capitulate before it came to that. The president appeared to think it would be a very quick war — an impression that had been reinforced by the tepid response to the U.S. bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities in June.

General Caine's role in the lead-up to the war captured a classic tension between military counsel and presidential decision-making. So persistent was the chairman in not taking a stand — repeating that it was not his role to tell the president what to do, but rather to present options along with potential risks and possible second- and third-order consequences — that he could appear to some of those listening to be arguing all sides of an issue simultaneously.

He would constantly ask, "And then what?" But Mr. Trump would often seem to hear only what he wanted to hear.

General Caine differed in almost every way from a prior chairman, Gen. Mark A. Milley, who had argued vociferously with Mr. Trump during his first administration and who saw his role as stopping the president from taking dangerous or reckless actions.

One person familiar with their interactions noted that Mr. Trump had a habit of confusing tactical advice from General Caine with strategic counsel. In practice, that meant the general might warn in one breath about the difficulties of one aspect of the operation, then in the next note that the United States had an essentially unlimited supply of cheap, precision-guided bombs and could strike Iran for weeks once it achieved air superiority.

To the chairman, these were separate observations. But Mr. Trump appeared to think that the second most likely canceled out the first.

At no point during the deliberations did the chairman directly tell the president that war with Iran was a terrible idea — though some of General Caine's colleagues believed that was exactly what he thought.

Much more to read, but this was the section that was most interesting to me.
 
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