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[Sybrix]

Trump says charging to use Strait of Hormuz could be ‘joint venture’ with Iran

Iran wants to keep charging commercial ships to pass through the waterway - a move that could be in breach international law but could reportedly rake in millions of dollars

www.independent.co.uk

Get ready everyone to accept that when you buy fuel, you'll be funding the IRGC..... hooray!

What a win for the USA & the world!

So pre this war:

1. Strait was open
2. No $1million toll
3. Irans nuclear programme was destroyed (according to Trump)

At present:

1. Strait closed
2. Ships now pay a toll of $1million
3. Interest rates increasing
4. Inflation increasing
5. Fuel prices increasing
6. IRGC still in power
7. Enriched Uranium still with IRGC


Any USA brothers explain to me how you've won this war?

 

[HRK69]

Russian newspapers are already claiming this as a major defeat for the USA

Pretty predictable 'reporting' from pro-Kremlin newspapers

 

[Senua]

Trump says charging to use Strait of Hormuz could be ‘joint venture’ with Iran

Iran wants to keep charging commercial ships to pass through the waterway - a move that could be in breach international law but could reportedly rake in millions of dollars

www.independent.co.uk

Get ready everyone to accept that when you buy fuel, you'll be funding the IRGC..... hooray!

What a win for the USA & the world!

So pre this war:

1. Strait was open
2. No $1million toll
3. Irans nuclear programme was destroyed (according to Trump)

At present:

1. Strait closed
2. Ships now pay a toll of $1million
3. Interest rates increasing
4. Inflation increasing
5. Fuel prices increasing
6. IRGC still in power
7. Enriched Uranium still with IRGC


Any USA brothers explain to me how you've won this war?

Absolutely incredible

 

[winjer]

Pretty predictable 'reporting' from pro-Kremlin newspapers

Exactly. And it shows the role Russia has in this conflict. The only reason Iran was able to do so much damage is because Russia was helping it with satellite Intel.
In fact, the main reason why Iran was able to close the Straight of Ormuz is because Russia is telling Iran when ships are trying to go through, and exactly where they are so Iran can hit them.

 

[HRK69]

Exactly. And it shows the role Russia has in this conflict. The only reason Iran was able to do so much damage is because Russia was helping it with satellite Intel.
In fact, the main reason why Iran was able to close the Straight of Ormuz is because Russia is telling Iran when ships are trying to go through, and exactly where they are so Iran can hit them.

Guess that's exactly the kind of 'gray zone' support that lets Iran punch above its weight without Russia risking direct confrontation with the U.S.

An invisible hand shaping regional dynamics while the world debates whos really in charge

 

[Wildebeest]

And then, of course, we have the UK, led by the least popular PM since records began and a ruling party on the verge of electoral annihilation.

In 20 years time people are going to look back at him in awe at how long he stayed in power and how steady his leadership was. Given a chance the morons in the UK will elect a new bullshitter every week and act shocked when they only do the dumb things, that they voted for, that will make their lives harder and ruin the reputation of the country.

 

[Baemono]

Issue with Orban is that EU has invested too much into that another candidate (it is going to be like Romainian election) but also he overstayed his welcome being in power far too long. EU wants to consolidate power as much as possible right now.

Issue with Orban is that he changed the laws and constitution to gather all three powers in one hand + having all his friends buying almost all medias for propaganda in his favour and made sure he won't be ousted by democratic elections even if the other party wins (I read that the other party should have at least 55% to even consider ousting Orban).

+ of course his anti-EU anti Ukraine and super pro-Kremlin vistance he doesn't even hide.

Peter Magyar is a former guy in Orban's party, so it's not even like he's that super different. We'll see the results on Sunday.

Regrading Romanian elections, it was russian interference. Like all right-wing populists accross Europe, pushed by russian bots on social media. Same situation in Moldova, and more recently in France. The far-right candidate is called "tiktoker" as he's helped a lot by russian bots to influence people.

Like for example LePen in France while being right wing and arrested by Macron's government

Le Pen wasn't arrested by Macron's goverment, she was under a fraud investigation (spending up to EUR 4 million of EU money for her party) and trial since 2014, and she pushed back the trial while trying to avoid prison by winning the 2017 then 2022 elections. She finally got sentenced to prison in 2025, but she appealed, so she's still free to do whatever she wants, besides being elected, as people who are guilty of fraud cannot be elected (which is the bare minimum).


But I digress

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

Trump says charging to use Strait of Hormuz could be ‘joint venture’ with Iran

Iran wants to keep charging commercial ships to pass through the waterway - a move that could be in breach international law but could reportedly rake in millions of dollars

www.independent.co.uk

Get ready everyone to accept that when you buy fuel, you'll be funding the IRGC..... hooray!

What a win for the USA & the world!

So pre this war:

1. Strait was open
2. No $1million toll
3. Irans nuclear programme was destroyed (according to Trump)

At present:

1. Strait closed
2. Ships now pay a toll of $1million
3. Interest rates increasing
4. Inflation increasing
5. Fuel prices increasing
6. IRGC still in power
7. Enriched Uranium still with IRGC


Any USA brothers explain to me how you've won this war?

Pure clownery, as expected. Put the dumbest, most corrupt people in charge, you get dumb, corrupt results.

 

[nemiroff]

Yeah, it is hilarious that some people believe that USA needed NATO help. Well I guess it makes europeans feel important.

This is exactly the mindset that is causing the US to crumble like a gluten-free cookie right now (for shame, I've always loved the US and hate to see it go).

 

[winjer]

 

[StueyDuck]

Trump says charging to use Strait of Hormuz could be ‘joint venture’ with Iran

Iran wants to keep charging commercial ships to pass through the waterway - a move that could be in breach international law but could reportedly rake in millions of dollars

www.independent.co.uk

Get ready everyone to accept that when you buy fuel, you'll be funding the IRGC..... hooray!

What a win for the USA & the world!

So pre this war:

1. Strait was open
2. No $1million toll
3. Irans nuclear programme was destroyed (according to Trump)

At present:

1. Strait closed
2. Ships now pay a toll of $1million
3. Interest rates increasing
4. Inflation increasing
5. Fuel prices increasing
6. IRGC still in power
7. Enriched Uranium still with IRGC


Any USA brothers explain to me how you've won this war?

What is your point, so no one must do anything ever?

Firstly, the conflict is still ongoing, and the ceasefire is a negotiation, so your list war nonsense is stupid because there is still more to happen; nothing on your list will be what actually ends up happening. Same as how the US doesn't own and protect all of Ukraine's resources, like those "negotiations" apparently were heading towards.

Secondly, should the world really just do nothing? Should we just let Iran get a nuke, just let them Murder 40000 civilians, just let them fund proxy wars across the globe, just let them continue to terrorise the Strait of Hormuz, people quickly forget Iran has been hijacking boats and attacking ships on Hormuz for years....

What was your alternative? It's easy to make little list wars, but you seem stoked more that the US "lost" than that an evil piece of shit at least suffered some major damages. Maybe if some other nations woke up instead of importing infinite terror cells to ram their Christmas markets and shoot people at their beaches, we might have a better outcome than what was achieved.

The people who are sitting back and pretending like these problems don't exist are the ones who have lost.

 

[BlackTron]

It's not really a good look to go in, rough a country up and end it by setting up tolls, all in the name of liberation. That's some Galactic Empire shit.

We'll get back to you on the daily executions, but can't we focus on the win, a chance for a toll booth?

I don't know what the real goal at the outset was, if there was a clear one. Even if it really was to help out the everyday people there, but things didn't go as hoped or planned. The progression of it just looks bad and keeps getting worse. It's become a bad parody of itself.

 

[Wildebeest]

UK defense secretary has just announced that the Royal Navy have spent the last month countering an incursion by Russian submarines threatening pipelines and cables. This is actual NATO business not fantasy land NATO business.

 

[Sybrix]

What is your point, so no one must do anything ever?

Firstly, the conflict is still ongoing, and the ceasefire is a negotiation, so your list war nonsense is stupid because there is still more to happen; nothing on your list will be what actually ends up happening. Same as how the US doesn't own and protect all of Ukraine's resources, like those "negotiations" apparently were heading towards.

Secondly, should the world really just do nothing? Should we just let Iran get a nuke, just let them Murder 40000 civilians, just let them fund proxy wars across the globe, just let them continue to terrorise the Strait of Hormuz, people quickly forget Iran has been hijacking boats and attacking ships on Hormuz for years....

What was your alternative? It's easy to make little list wars, but you seem stoked more that the US "lost" than that an evil piece of shit at least suffered some major damages. Maybe if some other nations woke up instead of importing infinite terror cells to ram their Christmas markets and shoot people at their beaches, we might have a better outcome than what was achieved.

The people who are sitting back and pretending like these problems don't exist are the ones who have lost.

No, i would be in favour of complelty destorying the IRGC.

However one of Trump's USP's getting into office was no more foreign wars and now steamrolls into Iran with little or no collaboration with other allies prior to this act.

It's so evident that they wanted to do a Venezuela job on Iran but when they suddenly realised that wasnt going to work, Trump went down the "WHERE THE FUCK ARE NATO?!" "THEY DIDNT HELP!!" blah blah blah, after he spilt the milk.

US allies don't have a track record of not aiding the US in war, see Iraq/Afgahistan/Syria etc. But because Trump wanted the same Venezuela result in Iran he didn't at that point need any ally assistance. But does now because it's turned into a hot mess.

In my view, a coordinated attack on Iran with the USA and NATO should have happened at the same time. Not USA go in, fuck it up and then ask for NATO.

I'd also be quite happy with Trump actully followed through with his threats, why didnt he blitz Iran 2 nights ago? Because of this deal/negotiation? Give me a break, it's all empty threats with him.

 

[Three]

Its not strange whataboutism

Its a pattern im noticing from many on here, especially eurogaf of completely refusing to criticise or put any blame in the IRGCs hands. In your world view everything is perfect until bad man trump. When the truth is that fucked up regime killed 40000 innocent civilians and europe sat and sucked their thumbs and had a party in davos.

It is a strange whataboutism. People can both criticise the government of Iran and still know that has nothing to do with why Trump decided to launch a war. Trump is to blame for the war. If he or others cared about civilian deaths in a forgien country the world would do something about Sudan right now not Iran. Again Trump even said he provided guns to militia to promote civil unrest in Iran. A florida registered boat that was caught in Cuba was smuggling 13,000 rounds of ammunition, assault and sniper rifles, pistols, and Molotov cocktails recently too. Wonder why or how that didn't raise any red flags in the US. They don't really care what happens to civilians in these countries.

People try to push instability for a pretext. The 40,000 figure is not verified just as the claim of "15,000 Iranians died" during Black Friday 1978 made by the now Iranian government wasn't exactly true when the Shah was in power and killing protesters. A bunch of innocent people died though and the US/Europe ignored it because the Shah was an ally and the opposition exaggerated and used it to overthrow the government of the time. Same with the protesters that died outside a US embassy in Pakistan recently. No big deal made of it though because that was pro-Iran protesters.

I need to start seeing just as much criticism levied at murderous, extremist fuckheads who've literally fucked up the world for 47 years, because trump is not ENTIRELY to blame for anything, anyone who believes that is a terrorist sympathizer.

The US pulls back, agrees to a cease fire and iran continues to shoot rockets at my friends and family, literal civilians, in the UAE. How are they literally not the ultimate villain?

They are literally doing cartoon nazi stuff and bombing civilians, killing civilians but many people here dont want to recognize that they are the MAIN cause behind this war and are absolutely the villains.

Youve been fed too much of that propaganda it seems.
Trump is entirely to blame for the war, Iranian goverment is entirely to blame for the killing of protesters. This is not an either/or because the two are not related to eachother. That's the very definition of a whataboutism.

The reason rockets are flying and civilians dying is due to a war, a war Trump chose to start without the world because he knows there was no real justification, it was mainly because of Israel. No country has had more civilian casualties due to it than Iran either. The US-Israel is the MAIN cause behind the war.

After the ceasefire there were delayed attacks from all sides (iran had Lavan oil refinery attacked) but they didn't continue after. The ceasefire held, bar the attacks on Lebanon and the dispute over its inclusion.

 

[Bojji]

Dear God, we didn't need NATO. IF that tweet is true. Which is sad to say, what is true and isn't.

If you take "truth" from Trump or MAGA - then you have a problem, Trump is lying about something every other day and MAGA crowd is spreading bullshit without fact checking anything.

I mean, 5 seconds google search (or maybe even visit in library if you think google is spreading misinformation) is all it takes to debunk most of their bullshit.

 

[StueyDuck]

No, i would be in favour of complelty destorying the IRGC.

However one of Trump's USP's getting into office was no more foreign wars and now steamrolls into Iran with little or no collaboration with other allies prior to this act.

It's so evident that they wanted to do a Venezuela job on Iran but when they suddenly realised that wasnt going to work, Trump went down the "WHERE THE FUCK ARE NATO?!" "THEY DIDNT HELP!!" blah blah blah, after he spilt the milk.

US allies don't have a track record of not aiding the US in war, see Iraq/Afgahistan/Syria etc. But because Trump wanted the same Venezuela result in Iran he didn't at that point need any ally assistance. But does now because it's turned into a hot mess.

In my view, a coordinated attack on Iran with the USA and NATO should have happened at the same time. Not USA go in, fuck it up and then ask for NATO.

Well, we agree there.

I don't think focusing all our energy on Trump solves the IRGC problem, though. Things haven't panned out, things could have been better, but considering the US has had blunders like the war in Afghanistan and Vietanmese war this one is still not at that level yet.

 

[StueyDuck]

After the ceasefire there were delayed attacks from all sides (iran had Lavan oil refinery attacked) but they didn't continue after. The ceasefire held, bar the attacks on Lebanon and the dispute over its inclusion.

well tell that to my family who spent all of yesterday getting strike warnings...

I'm sorry but of the two parties, the IRGC and Iran are infinitely worse and its embarassing that you think trump is the enemy here.

the main cause of this war is radical islam wanting to murder people, for the past 47 years. if you think otherwise then I think you are a sympathiser.

 

[Bojji]

Yeah I remember Madeline Albright's "3Ds" - no decoupling of European defense from NATO, no duplication of NATO capabilities, no discrimination against non-EU NATO members. The Americans always complained when NATO countries ramped up their capabilities.

This was always in US interest

 

[Three]

well tell that to my family who spent all of yesterday getting strike warnings...

I'm sorry but of the two parties, the IRGC and Iran are infinitely worse and its embarassing that you think trump is the enemy here.

My sympathy but you can say the same to those who have family in Iran. Especially those who don't simply get 'strike warnings' but had all their kids die without warning. A war works both ways obviously and is not a good thing for anybody. That's why people are blaming Trump for starting one.

the main cause of this war is radical islam wanting to murder people, for the past 47 years. if you think otherwise then I think you are a sympathiser.

Oh, you're one of those.

 

[StueyDuck]

Oh, you're one of those.

hahahahaha, ok next time you get on a plane, and you have to take off basically all your clothes, even your shoes, basically give a blood sample and go through the strictest security, just remember your fun pals at radical Islam created this world...

The reason you can't draw a religious prophet without your head getting cut off is your fun pals again. The reason you can't have a fun friendly christmas market without armed forces and bollards etc... again your fun pals at radical islam.

If you have no criticism of radical Islam and how it's literally fucked up the world then I don' t know what to say.

 

[Senua]

The "TDS" and "terrorist sympathiser" buzzwords are getting so old. You can be critical of the US government without supporting the IRGC. Not everything is black and white.

 

[Vestal]

Trump says charging to use Strait of Hormuz could be ‘joint venture’ with Iran

Iran wants to keep charging commercial ships to pass through the waterway - a move that could be in breach international law but could reportedly rake in millions of dollars

www.independent.co.uk

Get ready everyone to accept that when you buy fuel, you'll be funding the IRGC..... hooray!

What a win for the USA & the world!

So pre this war:

1. Strait was open
2. No $1million toll
3. Irans nuclear programme was destroyed (according to Trump)

At present:

1. Strait closed
2. Ships now pay a toll of $1million
3. Interest rates increasing
4. Inflation increasing
5. Fuel prices increasing
6. IRGC still in power
7. Enriched Uranium still with IRGC


Any USA brothers explain to me how you've won this war?

Sir please!! No obvious questions!

Next thing you'll do is ask that our leaders be competent and able to speak in complete sentences! COVFEFE

 

[DenchDeckard]

hahahahaha, ok next time you get on a plane, and you have to take off basically all your clothes, even your shoes, basically give a blood sample and go through the strictest security, just remember your fun pals at radical Islam created this world...

The reason you can't draw a religious prophet without your head getting cut off is your fun pals again. The reason you can't have a fun friendly christmas market without armed forces and bollards etc... again your fun pals at radical islam.

If you have no criticism of radical Islam and how it's literally fucked up the world then I don' t know what to say.

I got on a plane last week in the middle of this war and didnt have to do any of the things you are suggesting. In fact, security in the UK at manchester airport is doing nothing but getting better, easier and more streamlined.

What world are you talking about? Do you honestly think those things youve just said were happening or are, or will soon?

 

[StueyDuck]

I got on a plane last week in the middle of this war and didnt have to do any of the things you are suggesting. In fact, security in the UK at manchester airport is doing nothing but getting better, easier and more streamlined.

What world are you talking about? Do you honestly think those things youve just said were happening?

We just pretending everything else I said hasnt happened?

. So you pretend like christmass markets being attacked is nothing because "you got a on a plane in manchester"

What about those stabbed at a synagogue last year? I guess you got on a plane in Manchester so it removes all radical Islam issues

Im sure the families of the dead victims in germany are happy you had that gotcha

 

[DenchDeckard]

We just pretending everything else I said hasnt happened?

. So you pretend like christmass markets being attacked is nothing because "you got a on a plane in manchester"

What about those stabbed at a synagogue last year? I guess you got on a plane in Manchester so it removes all radical Islam issues

Im sure the families of the dead victims in germany are happy you had that gotcha

are you on about this attack?

2024 Magdeburg car attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which was done by this guy?

Taleb Al-Abdulmohsen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Vestal]

The "TDS" and "terrorist sympathiser" buzzwords are getting so old. You can be critical of the US government without supporting the IRGC. Not everything is black and white.

Both are akin to "fake news". It's the defense mechanism when there is no real satisfactory answer to whatever fucked up thing he is doing.

 

[moogman]

UK defense secretary has just announced that the Royal Navy have spent the last month countering an incursion by Russian submarines threatening pipelines and cables. This is actual NATO business not fantasy land NATO business.

Exactly. To be honest, I've ignored all the NATO conversation as this war has nothing to do with that alliance and never will. Article 5 can't even be invoked for it, as there's no current threat to US soil.

There's a possibility that individual NATO countries could get involved but that would be a unilateral decision on their behalf and has zero to do with NATO.

 

[StueyDuck]

are you on about this attack?

2024 Magdeburg car attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Which was done by this guy?

Taleb Al-Abdulmohsen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit: its not even worth it.

A dont have a time for a person willing to defend radical Islamic attacks on civilians

 

[DenchDeckard]

Edit: its not even worth it.

A dont have a time for a person willing to defend radical Islamic attacks on civilians

Im not defending anything, im asking about what attack you are talking about?

 

[StueyDuck]

Im not defending anything, im asking about what attack you are talking about?

Take your pick. They've been killing and murdering innocent people globally.

Manchester arena bombing, bondi beach shooting. The ramming in the US a couple years ago before the super bowl... this list goes on, and on, and on.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Take your pick. They've been killing and murdering innocent people globally.

I agree that there terrorist attacks, and fuck terrorists. I hope they all burn. Fuck em.

i was just highlighting you were incorrect about the xmas market in Germany and I want to ensure we are talking facts when discussing this stuff.

The German Market was actually done by a far right guy and islamaphobe according to all reports. So, we need to ensure we are discussing this stuff in good faith i think.

there was also another German xmas market one in 2016, and that was an extreme islamic person. So fuck that guy.

 

[StueyDuck]

I agree that there terrorist attacks, and fuck terrorists. I hope they all burn. Fuck em.

i was just highlighting you were incorrect about the xmas market in Germany and I want to ensure we are talking facts when discussing this stuff.

The German Market was actually done by a far right guy and islamaphobe according to all reports. So, we need to ensure we are discussing this stuff in good faith i think.

Theres been multiple attacks on christmas markets, you are choosing one to discuss in good faith.

Five arrested over plot to attack German Christmas market

Local media says one of the suspects is an imam at a mosque, and police allege he "called for a vehicle attack".

www.bbc.com

Here's one that was luckily foiled last year...

 

[adamsapple]

Trump says charging to use Strait of Hormuz could be ‘joint venture’ with Iran

Iran wants to keep charging commercial ships to pass through the waterway - a move that could be in breach international law but could reportedly rake in millions of dollars

www.independent.co.uk

Get ready everyone to accept that when you buy fuel, you'll be funding the IRGC..... hooray!

What a win for the USA & the world!

So pre this war:

1. Strait was open
2. No $1million toll
3. Irans nuclear programme was destroyed (according to Trump)

At present:

1. Strait closed
2. Ships now pay a toll of $1million
3. Interest rates increasing
4. Inflation increasing
5. Fuel prices increasing
6. IRGC still in power
7. Enriched Uranium still with IRGC


Any USA brothers explain to me how you've won this war?

Strait of Hormuz toll booth sponsored by Coors Light and ExxonMobil.

 

[winjer]

Strair of Hormuz toll booth sponsored by Coors Light and ExxonMobil.

Consider that before the war, there were around 65 ships crossing the straight per day.
If Iran gains control of it and charges 2 million dollars per ship, which is what they are currently charging, that would mean over 45 Billion dollars per year.
Now consider that Iran GDP is 375Billion. This would mean a gigantic increase in revenue for Iran and the IRGC.

 

[Madflavor]

Consider that before the war, there were around 65 ships crossing the straight per day.
If Iran gains control of it and charges 2 million dollars per ship, which is what they are currently charging, that would mean over 45 Billion dollars per year.
Now consider that Iran GDP is 375Billion. This would mean a gigantic increase in revenue for Iran and the IRGC.

JFC what an unbelievable fuck up.

 

[BlackTron]

JFC what an unbelievable fuck up.

Meanwhile Hegseth with his perfect hair WE DECIMATED THEIR MILITARY. Every time I look at this guy it's like Zapp Brannigan bragging for having the highest kill count while his team is losing.

 

[FullMetalx117]

There's no way gulf countries will let that toll stay in place. Phone calls likely being made between all parties, including Europe/china, to drop that. Or is this going to play out where toll is only charged using dollars? Idk…it's a fuck up for sure, but that toll will not be agreed upon

 

[Vestal]

Consider that before the war, there were around 65 ships crossing the straight per day.
If Iran gains control of it and charges 2 million dollars per ship, which is what they are currently charging, that would mean over 45 Billion dollars per year.
Now consider that Iran GDP is 375Billion. This would mean a gigantic increase in revenue for Iran and the IRGC.

I'm sure this is exactly what Netanyahu envisioned when he made that presentation to Trump for going to war. (A legitimized Iran in a mutually beneficial monetary agreement with the US Government)

You can't make this shit up even if you tried LOL.

 

[EviLore]

Are we acting like this is the final outcome for some reason?

 

[Three]

hahahahaha, ok next time you get on a plane, and you have to take off basically all your clothes, even your shoes, basically give a blood sample and go through the strictest security, just remember your fun pals at radical Islam created this world...

The reason you can't draw a religious prophet without your head getting cut off is your fun pals again. The reason you can't have a fun friendly christmas market without armed forces and bollards etc... again your fun pals at radical islam.

If you have no criticism of radical Islam and how it's literally fucked up the world then I don' t know what to say.

So more whataboutisms of unrelated things because of 'islam'. I'll tell you something, I'd rather go through a scanner that can see my dingdong (no need to take off clothes) than have the possibility of family members and kids having bombs dropped on their heads. This type of war doesn't even help reduce extremism or terrorism. If anything it often strengthens extremist veiws from those effected and increases terrorist incidents. So they will scan me even more due to this war. Strange that you see that as some great inconvenience to your travel somehow caused by Iran yet I bet you will turn around and say this is fine:

"Travellers at US airports around the country recently experienced wait times up to four hours, the longest in the 24-year history of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The culprit was a partial government shutdown, which is now entering its seventh week and is the longest in US history."

And that Trump is doing great.

 

[winjer]

I'm sure this is exactly what Netanyahu envisioned when he made that presentation to Trump for going to war. (A legitimized Iran in a mutually beneficial monetary agreement with the US Government)

You can't make this shit up even if you tried LOL.

Trump fired several Generals and Cabinet Advisers that would have helped avoid this mess. Be it by not starting the war, or by making competent strategy, or by having proper contingency plans.
But when all he has are "yes-men" that will not tell him the problems with his plans, the results can be catastrophic.

 

[adamsapple]

"Travellers at US airports around the country recently experienced wait times up to four hours, the longest in the 24-year history of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The culprit was a partial government shutdown, which is now entering its seventh week and is the longest in US history."

Massive Governmental incompetency and radial religious fanaticism are both terrible, I think we can all make that safe agreement.

 

[Gamerfan81]

Trump is good at fighting culture and meme wars, not so great at a real one.

 

[BlackTron]

Trump fired several Generals and Cabinet Advisers that would have helped avoid this mess. Be it by not starting the war, or by making competent strategy, or by having proper contingency plans.
But when all he has are "yes-men" that will not tell him the problems with his plans, the results can be catastrophic.

Yes, replacing competent career experts with cronies because they do not have the correct opinion is just another on the long list of bullet points of things we're doing to mimic regimes we demonize.

I've been dwelling a lot on themes such as the consequences of hubris lately. We've seen it a million times, it just doesn't apply to us.

 

[winjer]

Trump is good at fighting culture and meme wars, not so great at a real one.

Trump is a draft dodger. So of course he has no knowledge about the military, not even the most basic stuff.

 

[adamsapple]

Trump is good at fighting culture and meme wars, not so great at a real one.

 

[Gamerfan81]

 

[StueyDuck]

So more whataboutisms of unrelated things because of 'islam'. I'll tell you something, I'd rather go through a scanner that can see my dingdong (no need to take off clothes) than have the possibility of family members and kids having bombs dropped on their heads. This type of war doesn't even help reduce extremism or terrorism. If anything it often strengthens extremist veiws from those effected and increases terrorist incidents. So they will scan me even more due to this war. Strange that you see that as some great inconvenience to your travel somehow caused by Iran yet I bet you will turn around and say this is fine:

"Travellers at US airports around the country recently experienced wait times up to four hours, the longest in the 24-year history of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA). The culprit was a partial government shutdown, which is now entering its seventh week and is the longest in US history."

And that Trump is doing great.

I mean its easier just to say you prefer radical Islam over trump .

Like I said earlier im not wasting my time with a loser defending radical Islam.

I just hope its not a sister or daughter that gets raped in a grooming gang, an uncle or cousin beheaded because he criticized Islam, your Jewish friend stabbed or shot at their place of worship. Because unlike you I dont want these things happening in the world

 

[Senua]

I mean its easier just to say you prefer radical Islam over trump .

Like I said earlier im not wasting my time with a loser defending radical Islam.

I just hope its not a sister or daughter that gets raped in a grooming gang, an uncle or cousin beheaded because he criticized Islam, your Jewish friend stabbed or shot at their place of worship. Because unlike you I dont want these things happening in the world

Holy gaslighting