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[Angry_Megalodon]

How confident are you ? Cos Spain seems obsessed with mass migration and appeasing Muslims right now.

Spain is not the spanish government, comprised of an alliance of traitors who would be hanged in war times. The majority of people are sick of this shit. The only chance of the current government is either going full fascist by subverting elections or making every new immigrant to vote for them, which is already being fought at our high courts. This anti-NATO / US posturing is just a desperate move before their most radical supporters because every poll is foreseeing a crushing defeat. Even the European allies are scolding our disgraceful government. After elections we will come back to normal. One more year of agony.

The US and other western countries need to understand how badly the pro-Palestine psyops has fucked us up. It has induced a state of mind in which even intelligent people are siding with fucking muslim terrorists. You need to throw the hammer at all those NGOs and global corportations, many of them funded by American institutions, which are undermining democracies. As long as we allow enemies to live within our borders, this madness won't end.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Could work like when we bombed the fuck out of Taliban forces in Afghanistan ahead of the resistance forces moving thru except probably much more built up areas versus open plains?

In theory that's the only way really it can work - but in the end the main problem is who will be able to keep it all together. Ideally, that's when Pahlavi should have gone to Trump and make calls to kurds and others to back him in a deal to gain some territory or autonomy within Iran. Instead it seems like Pahlavi is planning to go to EU or something.

I'm dumb and have to ask, are we officially "at war with Iran"?

Nah. It is a one sided massacre at this point. Just beating some terrorists

 

[Moondoggy]

In theory that's the only way really it can work - but in the end the main problem is who will be able to keep it all together. Ideally, that's when Pahlavi should have gone to Trump and make calls to kurds and others to back him in a deal to gain some territory or autonomy within Iran. Instead it seems like Pahlavi is planning to go to EU or something.


Nah. It is a one sided massacre at this point. Just beating some terrorists

Do ya smell that, it's the smell of freedom, breathe deep.

 

[Wildebeest]

I'm dumb and have to ask, are we officially "at war with Iran"?

You are. When you say you are going to use the military because you want to take down the ruling regime that is a declaration of war. A declaration of cheese might be like saying you are going to use refrigerated transport to distribute cheese to people whether they want it or not. The US is not currently at cheese with Iran. Don't get it mixed up.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

I'm dumb and have to ask, are we officially "at war with Iran"?

The last time the USA officially declared war was World War II

 

[Mattdaddy]

I'm dumb and have to ask, are we officially "at war with Iran"?

Whats crazy is I dont think the US has "officially" been at war since World War 2 lol.

Meaning Congress actually votes and officially declares a state of war.

I have no clue what actually changes operationally with that designation though, since obviously we're throwing hands with someone like every 10 years and its never mattered.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I guess it is going to develop just like I predicted some time ago that the local insurgencies are going to happen due to weakening of IRGC.

 

[kruis]

I have no sympathy for Iranian leadership but i see shades of Iraq. Toppling Saddam was c the easy part and happeened quickly. It is what happened after that led to it being a disaster. No matter how many Ayatollahs you kill you cant change a culture that does not want to change

It's like thinking that if you kill the Pope and all the bishops in Rome the command structure of the whole Catholic church will break down and they'll have no other choice than to become Protestants.

 

[kruis]

I guess it is going to develop just like I predicted some time ago that the local insurgencies are going to happen due to weakening of IRGC.

They're not "going to happen", the US and Israel are making sure they WILL happen. That's why the US has been talking with Kurish groups in Iraq to join the fun and cross the border to liberate the Kurds there. The whole idea is to destabilize the country every which way they can to weaken the regime.

 

[ADiTAR]

It's like thinking that if you kill the Pope and all the bishops in Rome the command structure of the whole Catholic church will break down and they'll have no other choice than to become Protestants.

No, the difference is that the people don't support him. They are not indoctrinated like North Korea.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's like thinking that if you kill the Pope and all the bishops in Rome the command structure of the whole Catholic church will break down and they'll have no other choice than to become Protestants.

Persians aren't Muslim and despise all that has to do with radical Islam of the Arab world. Talk to a real Persian and they'll tell you to your face they're not a "damned Muslim" as they get pissed off at the ignorance.

Fist bit of geopolitics people need to educate themselves on.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

As a spaniard I can tell you with full certainty that we will kick out that scumbag in next elections, no matter how many barbarians he imports from Africa and MEA to keep him in power. He and the Palestina crowd will be demolished one way or the other.

As a spaniard I can tell you that the mass influx of immigrants started with a conservative president and since then it's been relatively stable, no matter who is in power.

If you think PP and Vox are gonna do something different about it you're very wrong. But let's not turn this into a spanish politics thread.

 

[kruis]

No, the difference is that the people don't support him. They are not indoctrinated like North Korea.

The majority of Iranians are secular. But that doesn't mean that the Iranians who DO support this regime aren't powerful. And more importantly, as ultra religious muslims they've got a much bigger stake in this game, they absolutely want to keep their theocratic dictatorship alive because they see it as a literal demand from Allah.

They'll not be easily bowled over like Venezuelan. It's also not like the USSR where a majority of the members of the Communist party didn't believe in the Marx' Communist Manifesto but only joined the party to get ahead in life. These people believe the system is good and just and must be defended from secular infidels with their despicable ideas that go against the will of Allah.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I guess it is going to develop just like I predicted some time ago that the local insurgencies are going to happen due to weakening of IRGC.

I suppose the Balochis and the Kurds will meet the Persians in the middle and they'll all sing Kumbaya. This is all going swimmingly. Absolutely no chance this turns into another Iraq.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

They're not "going to happen", the US and Israel are making sure they WILL happen. That's why the US has been talking with Kurish groups in Iraq to join the fun and cross the border to liberate the Kurds there. The whole idea is to destabilize the country every which way they can to weaken the regime.

Maybe. But that's where Pahlavi should have been involved instead of doing press conferences in EU.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Whats crazy is I dont think the US has "officially" been at war since World War 2 lol.

Meaning Congress actually votes and officially declares a state of war.

I have no clue what actually changes operationally with that designation though, since obviously we're throwing hands with someone like every 10 years and its never mattered.

What changes is that the US president gets awesome powers. Like seizing OpenAI from their shareholders powers.

 

[Idleyes]

I'm dumb and have to ask, are we officially "at war with Iran"?

To the US no. To Iran Yes.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I find it interesting that they would mistake a white american for an Iranian in the first place...which I think says a lot about how some ethnic Iranians look.

Some articles suggest the pilot was 'surrendering' when he took a knee, I kinda wonder if he was about ready to draw a sidearm and smoke some fools....

After rewatching the video you can tell he was dropping into a "low ready position" to buy himself seconds by feigning submission if he has to draw and fire.

This is taught training.

 

[AJUMP23]

I'm dumb and have to ask, are we officially "at war with Iran"?

No. That is a congressional action to declare war.

 

[FullMetalx117]

Persians aren't Muslim and despise all that has to do with radical Islam of the Arab world. Talk to a real Persian and they'll tell you to your face they're not a "damned Muslim" as they get pissed off at the ignorance.

Fist bit of geopolitics people need to educate themselves on.

Those 'Iranians' who call themselves 'Persians' are really just the super wealthy shah era Iranians who made it to the states, I've come across many. They are still wealthy and yes they do like to be called 'Persian', I guess to show their separation to Islamic Iran (or even assimilation to the west). But Persian/Iranian are just semantics, the shah in the 1930s wanted to change it to Iran (land of Aryans) as that's what the locals had called it for centuries. Persian (Persis) was a name given by Anglo west.

 

[Stitch]

But why?

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

But why?

They attack those who chant anti-regime slogans.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Those 'Iranians' who call themselves 'Persians' are really just the super wealthy shah era Iranians who made it to the states, I've come across many. They are still wealthy and yes they do like to be called 'Persian', I guess to show their separation to Islamic Iran (or even assimilation to the west). But Persian/Iranian are just semantics, the shah in the 1930s wanted to change it to Iran (land of Aryans) as that's what the locals had called it for centuries. Persian (Persis) was a name given by Anglo west.

Because they are Persian and not the infiltrated Arab Islam.

Context is important.

 

[Idleyes]

Those 'Iranians' who call themselves 'Persians' are really just the super wealthy shah era Iranians who made it to the states, I've come across many. They are still wealthy and yes they do like to be called 'Persian', I guess to show their separation to Islamic Iran (or even assimilation to the west). But Persian/Iranian are just semantics, the shah in the 1930s wanted to change it to Iran (land of Aryans) as that's what the locals had called it for centuries. Persian (Persis) was a name given by Anglo west.

Yup that's a Western naming issue. The inhabitants (multiple different Tribes - what we call ethnic groups today) had been calling the land Iran for centuries. "Persian" originally referred to one ethnic group from the region of Pars, but when Greeks encountered the empire (which was multiple different tribes banded together) they called them the Persian Empire and the land Persia. That name got stuck in Western languages. In 1935 Reza Shah didn't change the name to Iran as they were already calling it Iran, he just asked foreign governments to start using the country's native name instead of the Greek-derived "Persia."

At times wealthy Iranians say "Persian", even when some of them aren't ethnically Persian to avoid western folks who hear "Iranian" and immediately think Allah Akbar BOOM!

 

[Gp1]

I find it interesting that they would mistake a white american for an Iranian in the first place...which I think says a lot about how some ethnic Iranians look.

Some articles suggest the pilot was 'surrendering' when he took a knee, I kinda wonder if he was about ready to draw a sidearm and smoke some fools....

Suddenly, he was regretting not listening to his wife about the Robin Olds mustache...

 

[EviLore]

 

[AJUMP23]

Rest easy

 

[AJUMP23]

US footage of the opening operation.

 

[adamsapple]

I really really really really fucking hope civilian casualties are none or kept as minimum as possible.

 

[EviLore]

I really really really really fucking hope civilian casualties are none or kept as minimum as possible.

Hopefully kept to a minimum. You can hear the guy filming it is enjoying seeing the IRGC assets blown up.

 

[Tams]

US footage of the opening operation.

 

[IbizaPocholo]

 

[jason10mm]

I wonder how many folks in the CIA are debating if they can fake an errant Iranian drone strike on Mecca. I gotta think they've kicked the idea around.

 

[Big-G]

Iran won on day 1... by setting a trap... where all their major leaders get wiped out, and 99% of their retaliatory strikes get shot down, and their people rejoice in the streets that the regime might come to an end.

because the 30-something % of Islamic believers in the country... Now have more faith?

What am I even listening to?

this is worse than Alex Jones

Hey bro, like 30% of thier missiles are hitting the targets, so that must mean they are doing well, right? Lmao

 

[YCoCg]

YouTube algorithm sure has a sens of humour

 

[DeepEnigma]

Using their own drones (upgraded) against them is adding insult to injury.

 

[jason10mm]

He's no Schwarzkopf but he'll do

I like how he emphasized "we are achieving our MILITARY objectives", cause I serious question if we have ANY viable and well considered POLITICAL objectives other than total surrender and immediate transformation into Iran circa 1955

 

[Gp1]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-israel-us-strikes-2026/card/kuwaiti-fighter-jet-mistakenly-shot-down-american-f-15s-initial-reports-say-LNxcLizHKxbncWqJyqaU?mod=mhp

Some Kuwaiti FA-18 pilot was trying to make ace in a day with those 3 strike eagles ...

 

[Brucey]

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/iran-israel-us-strikes-2026/card/kuwaiti-fighter-jet-mistakenly-shot-down-american-f-15s-initial-reports-say-LNxcLizHKxbncWqJyqaU?mod=mhp

Some Kuwaiti FA-18 pilot was trying to make ace in a day with those 3 strike eagles ...

Fourth missile probably killed our troops on the ground.......incompetent fuck.

 

[Idleyes]

Scott Ritter is definitely right about the faith and martyrdom aspect, no question about that.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

He's no Schwarzkopf but he'll do

I like how he emphasized "we are achieving our MILITARY objectives", cause I serious question if we have ANY viable and well considered POLITICAL objectives other than total surrender and immediate transformation into Iran circa 1955

One of the more interesting things to realize is that throughout human history, there were never any "political" objectives to war. The purpose of war was simply to defeat your opponent. Invented objectives for after the war ends is strictly a 20th century phenomenon after the end of WW2. And that lead to every disastrous war the US started afterwards, including the boondoggles of occupying Iraq and Afghanistan

The only objective of this Iran war is to crush the Islamic Republic and prevent them from getting nukes or threatening their neighbors and Israel ever again. The rest is up to the Iranian people to sort out after, just like before in human history

 

[Moondoggy]

I really really really really fucking hope civilian casualties are none or kept as minimum as possible.

I imagine living in that region they've gotten pretty good at reading the room on knowing when they should get the hell out of an area.

Today I learned there's oil on the Sun

 

[AJUMP23]

The person with brain damage is the best senator.

 

[kruis]

I really really really really fucking hope civilian casualties are none or kept as minimum as possible.

The first day with the bombing of a school showed that's not going to be the case. Civilians will always get caught in the crossfire.

This video shows the aftermath of a missile/drone attack near Azadi Square in Teheran. That's a well-known landmark.

Azadi Square - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[jason10mm]

One of the more interesting things to realize is that throughout human history, there were never any "political" objectives to war. The purpose of war was simply to defeat your opponent. Invented objectives for after the war ends is strictly a 20th century phenomenon after the end of WW2. And that lead to every disastrous war the US started afterwards, including the boondoggles of occupying Iraq and Afghanistan

The only objective of this Iran war is to crush the Islamic Republic and prevent them from getting nukes or threatening their neighbors and Israel ever again. The rest is up to the Iranian people to sort out after, just like before in human history

Uhhh, not gonna agree with you on this one. Clausewitz wrote On War in the 1830's, 200 years ago. Sun Tzu and his fellow strategists were over a THOUSAND years ago. Many many writers link policy and war as a single operation, just with different tools and objectives. Alexander the Great wasn't waging war for the thrills, he was doing it in order to subject new lands to his rule, supplant leadership with ones favorable to him, and to extract treaties and tithes.

Bombing anything military looking with a IRG flag on it isn't gonna do shit to Iran except throw it into lawless chaos in which a worse, far more aggressive, demon will emerge. Trump ABSOLUTELY should have political goals in mind and be directing his generals/admirals to develop and complete military objectives that work to achieve those political ends.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

They are laughing and having a good time watching their city getting bombed. What a hell.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

What I find fascinating is how many countries joined forces (well being opportunistic) against Iran.
Like it started with Israel + USA. Then it you had all Gulf Monarchies (including Oman!) joining. Then you had Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then some european countries.

Though it also revealed some true outsiders in this play - Turkey, UK, Spain. Also revealed the incompetence and weakness of EU. Russia being nowhere and China having no allies.

They are laughing and having a good time watching their city getting bombed. What a hell.

They don't like IRGC.

 

[LyricalShrike]

What I find fascinating is how many countries joined forces (well being opportunistic) against Iran.

Like it started with Israel + USA. Then it you had all Gulf Monarchies (including Oman!) joining. Then you had Afghanistan and Pakistan. Then some european countries.

Can you elaborate on Afghanistan and Pakistan? Are both countries slinging rocks at Iran while fighting a war with each other?

 

[jason10mm]

The first day with the bombing of a school showed that's not going to be the case. Civilians will always get caught in the crossfire.

This video shows the aftermath of a missile/drone attack near Azadi Square in Teheran. That's a well-known landmark.

Azadi Square - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sadly, I wouldn't put it past Iran to have "crisis actors" and staged scenes of atrocity. We saw that all over in Gaza. How are these videos getting out?