It needs the skill awakening in order for its elemental damage to be active
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Whenever you hunt a monster/grab a shiny (this one in particular has stupidly low rates of success) in Expedition, depending on what the monster was you have a chance of getting a Guild Quest for one of 3-5 monsters afterwards.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunter/wiki/guild_quest_monsters
joshbob1985
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There is no way a CB is a noob weapon. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to a beginner. All MH weapons require you to learn the timing and spacing of your attacks but CB has a lot going on on top of that. Maybe noobs pick it because its seems fancy though. I assume CB and IG are so popular because vets want to use the new stuff.
PedroLumpy
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A 1% increase when you're talking about going from 2% to 3% is a pretty big difference. No excuse for being an asshole though obviously.
oh that was it.. I was hinking it was the symbol of the relic equipments lol..
yeah if the number is greyed out you need the awakening skill to "awaken" that element, for that you need +10 free element skill points
Doesn't capture usually yield two items and certain monsters you can carve up to 4 times? That would make it 2*2% vs. 3-4*3%, so 4% vs. 9-12%.
I remember you said you farmed Rajang for his heart. Is the C10 Bad Hair Rajang a G-rank quest? That's what Kiranico said anyway. I have to farm him at some point as well.
Hero Prinny
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IG is hard, it got no idea how to use it lol
That's what I do anyway I'm just curious why the previous poster said he doesn't care if people say they're noon weapons
The specific monster target also has a big effect on the rewards as you get closer and closer and eventually hit 140. Oroshi Kirin reportedly has the best results, which is why I'm trying to pick one up.
Yep, he's G rank. It's also the 'furious' version. Online I've only seen the normal version (in apex), but his stuff makes you a different set. The furious version has better skills.
Really? What's so good about Kirin sub compared to others? I have a HR one, only leveled it to 70 so far.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I want to try bow, but it's the only weapon I haven't gotten from mining; darn my cheap ass.
Comandr
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SnS doesn't do less damage than any other weapon. There is an extremely complicated weapon formula but I'm going to dumb it down to insulting levels. Think of it as DPS.
Let's take <SnS> that has an Attack of 100. The attack value is not the actual damage you inflict on the monster. For the sake of argument, we'll just shave off the last number. Each strike you deal to the monster does 10 damage. That is not a large number, but you can swing very quickly.
Now let's look at <Great Sword> It has an Attack of 500. So by our napkin math, 50 damage per hit. But this weapon is very slow, and landing successful hits is actually somewhat challenging.
So while landing huge hits is satisfying, using slow weapons can actually drag out the battles much longer than whittling away at monsters with fast weapons like SnS.
For reference, I did a cursory examination of the highest True Attack (which is a hidden stat calculated by the attack value of a weapon and swing speed) [read: DPS, for our layman's study]
Great Sword: Ukanlos Skycleaver
Attack 1728
True Attack 360
Sword & Shield: Bescaled Dalamadur
Attack 462
True Attack 330
Now if you just look at the printed attack value on the weapon itself in the game, the margin between these two weapons APPEARS to be enormous. But when you look at their True Attack, the values are actually much, much closer, and when you factor in that the likelihood of landing successful hits is also much greater for the average player with a faster weapon, the Bescaled Dalamadur could arguably be more powerful in any given set of hands.
Of course, none of this touches on monster part defense, etc. As I stated in the beginning: there is a very complicated manner of calculating real world damage-per-hit.
TL;DR: All weapons are viable.
I knew about drop rates, but the resource you provided is amaaaazing. Bless you.
Further edit: Since this is a large post (and those tend to attract attention) I'm going to take this opportunity to share a tip that I have learned over my career hunting monsters. I want to touch on this really quick because I've seen a couple posts regarding it. I don't claim that any of the information I am about to disclose is true or factual, just my observations.
When monsters start to salivate/drool, they are fatigued. They will start looking for food. Some monsters will fly or run away to eat. This is a great time to drop down Tinged/Poisoned Meat. I've had success in them just stopping what they're doing and chowing down after I drop it. Not only does this provide a huge window to do a ton of damage while they're munching, they don't often flinch during this period. Then, in the case of Tinged meat, the paralysis effect takes hold and you have more of an opportunity to let loose.
When monsters limp, their HP is extremely low, and they are "capture ready." In my 400+ hour career (which I know isn't much compared to a lot of our veterans here.) I can say with confidence that once a monster starts limping, it will almost always immediately run away to go sleep. Sleeping is the only way for monsters to recover HP. Food will recover their stamina, but won't heal them. This recovery process is fairly slow, and creates a wonderful opportunity. A monster that has fled to sleep is practically a guaranteed capture. If you have Auto-Tracker or a paintball in effect, you will be able to see the monster on your map. A red monster is "in combat," if you will; blue means they have become passive. If your monster starts to limp, LET IT GO. Do not chase it. Watch it on the map, you'll see it reach an area and slow down, and eventually turn blue. It's now asleep. If you chase the monster into it's sleeping area before it actually falls asleep, it will just continue fighting. When you are on your last leg and out of items, this can lead to a quest failure.
Walk right up to the monster, lay a Pitfall/Shock trap right on top of it, and give it a good kick. Two tranquilizers and it's a done deal. A capture-ready monster should never need more than two tranqs. More than 2 and it's not ready to capture, don't waste any more.
That's it. Sorry for the long post. Hopefully it's informative to someone.
Because it's a "rare" GQ, it probably has a slightly better rewards table. I think any Elder Dragon GQ falls under this, but reportedly (this is all anecdote from the handful of Japanese players I've spoken to TBF) Oroshi > Kirin for rewards, but they still have roughly the same amount of HP so the time/effort for rewards is at its best squarely with lv140 Oroshi.
Yeah that's the one I need for other parts, too. Gonna make his waist. Time to get good.
1.25 IIRC.
What the hell, I didn't even have to farm to get the Kirin quest, just looked up who drops it, went in fought the monster and it dropped.
It's started very weak, but scaled pretty good which is why it's good investment for carrying throughout G Rank (assuming you can get the rare material of course).
Just checked, it isn't really rimeblade any more, I reckon because the name is reserved for guild quest weapon. It still Ice Blade, but there isn't Rimeblade anymore, nor Rime & Treason. After Ice Blade, there's plus version, then Edel's Blade.
If you put it like, it's a big difference. But still not warrant for the asshole attitude since not all people knowing Kiranico or Ping's Dex exist in, let alone memorize the drop.
bennywhatever
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This is a fantastic post, well done!
I think it's so great how well they balanced the game so that all weapons can be used and still be viable. That's a hard feat to accomplish.
Pila
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Astral/H3X
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I actually just beat him! The power of Sonic Bombs and Barrel bombs.
He did get a lot of hits on me though...
bennywhatever
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Yeah, the Rimeblade is a "relic" weapon now. I can't find anywhere online that has any stats for it. When I play some tonight, I'll post some up. It's a fantastic LR & early HR sword.
http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/MH4U:_Relic_Weapons
It's a 25% damage boost when you critical hit, which means there are specific raw damage breakpoints for weapons where you should prioritize Critical Eye over Attack Up where critical becomes a larger boost than the raw increase (ie when a 25% boost is more raw damage than the +20-25 Attack)
http://www.reddit.com/r/MonsterHunt...ome_misconceptions_regarding_affinity/cowxuhc
For Rajang did they do anything interesting like if you getting a critical in as he's holding up a huge chunk of the earth he pulls out it makes him topple over and drop on him for huge impact damage? There really needs to be more of these kinds of things in this game. I just feel like it's lame that very few monsters have some kind of thing where you can get a BIG advantage for even a limited time, as cheap as the earth throw is with like no lag after he throws it, you'd think they'd add that element into the fight.
Jeff Vader
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I use gunlance but right now I don't have an armor to go with it either. Though looking at the armor page on Kiranico it looks like there's a lot of options later in high rank but by that time you could probably cheese your way through and then you hit G and all the gear you got is now collecting dust.
Hellraider
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All of my (our) sonic bombs.
Nope.
bennywhatever
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Figured out how Battered Weapons work that you get from expeditions, thanks to this GameFAQs post. Not sure how accurate it is.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/762804-monster-hunter-4-ultimate/71254979
If you want relics, the type of relic gets locked in for 2 weapons and 1 armor piece. The mission info will say what types of weapons the quest can give. You can tell really early on what weapon it'll be, you will get at least 1 levelling it early.
If it says it gives a longsword, and you want that, run the quest till you get a Longsword. Say you get a Rimeblade. No matter how high you level the quest, the longsword that drops will always be a Rimeblade, but each version of the blade will be different with different types of characteristics like sharpness affinity raw damage and so on.
Because it's random weapons you could regularly craft are drastically different. I have a Kehzu gunlance with poison instead of shock element.
Run the mission and decide if that weapon is what you want an ultimate version of. The weapons can be equipment not craftable in the game, or if they are craftable, odd and completely different.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/762804-monster-hunter-4-ultimate/71254979
If you want relics, the type of relic gets locked in for 2 weapons and 1 armor piece. The mission info will say what types of weapons the quest can give. You can tell really early on what weapon it'll be, you will get at least 1 levelling it early.
If it says it gives a longsword, and you want that, run the quest till you get a Longsword. Say you get a Rimeblade. No matter how high you level the quest, the longsword that drops will always be a Rimeblade, but each version of the blade will be different with different types of characteristics like sharpness affinity raw damage and so on.
Because it's random weapons you could regularly craft are drastically different. I have a Kehzu gunlance with poison instead of shock element.
Run the mission and decide if that weapon is what you want an ultimate version of. The weapons can be equipment not craftable in the game, or if they are craftable, odd and completely different.
I wonder if it makes sense to start grinding weapons before g-rank?
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
This is why we need a replay feature.
My condolences.
Baron Von Beans
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First attempt at Daimyo Hermi. Got wiped in a few hits, seems it's time to upgrade that LR armor. Gloamspring looks good, and I have the parts for the set. GS and HH user, so it's be good for those, aside from critdraw on the HH. Worrywart sucks, though, where do I see lagombi and zamitrios HR, hr5? Lookin to gem it out.
I wish there was some kind of "screw off" skill where small monsters just get deflected off of you if they attack. Level 2 of the skill gives them damage when they deflect, level 3 of the skill kills them, sends them flying and can cause their launching to be used as a weapon against other monsters nearby.
SuperStiltzkin
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Been using velociprey armor up until I got my first Gore Magala hunting quest. Kinda feeling nostalgic because velociprey armor is the first full set of armor I ever crafted in MH1.
cats are pretty damn effective at dealing with small monsters now. Just put the right hat on them, and some impact weapons for good measure. I've only had one Rhenoplos-related incident since starting 4U, and he was a dirty hacker who charged right through Gypceros' body.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Finally at heaven's mount. I hope this first quest isn't too hard because all I want is gossamite ore which is used in like 70% of the upgrades I want to do. I will have my ice blade+!
Seriously replay would be so awesome.
DrROBschiz
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YAY FINALLY
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Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Hunter’s Seal – Available Feb. 28
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http://nintendoeverything.com/ninte...onkey-kong-country-and-dk-land-vc-games-more/
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NES: Donkey Kong
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Hunter’s Seal – Available Feb. 28
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Palicoes 4 Ever – Available Feb. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YeDl61DBUQ
Lady Siara
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Gave it another go and beat it pretty handily that time, yay. That dive it does followed by a tail whip is just brutal though.
nicoga3000
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Anyone ever have a particularly frustrating Expedition run where you feel like you're a new player again? I just had a Kut-Ku + Gypceros tag team my ass 3 times. I mean, I'm no pro at Mon Hun, but this was just ridiculous. Poison, on fire, tails flailing, beak munching, charging, dizzy, stun....It was just insulting, haha.
RiderKairuu
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Good stuff! I'd take Pink Ian over Azure Los any day, though. So annoying..
Iced_Eagle
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Astral/H3X
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Welp, Monoblos is tough with LR armor. Not because he is hard to dodge, but because one attack takes me to like 3 health haha.
AndrewDean84xX
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Good morning, noob here.
I understand later in the game material is only dropped if you cut off a monster piece. I generally only use the Insect Glaive. I'm pretty sure this weapon can't cut parts off. What weapons have the capability of cutting of monster parts?
I understand later in the game material is only dropped if you cut off a monster piece. I generally only use the Insect Glaive. I'm pretty sure this weapon can't cut parts off. What weapons have the capability of cutting of monster parts?
QisTopTier
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Why wouldn't it be able to cut off parts? It does cutting damage right?
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