I'm in the same boat in that Silverwind gear looks pretty nice and I wouldn't mind farming some myself. After tagging along on a few hunts against him yesterday, I can say that my ~320 defense (gunner armor, blademaster helm, no hyper parts added) was sufficient to keep from getting one-shotted by any of his attacks at least up to the level 5 quest. It seems like the general progression is meant to be: low rank -> high rank -> hyper -> deviants, with deviants meant to be the endgame farming like Guild Quests were in 4U.
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Monster Hunter Generations |OT| Generation X
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Pejo
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Awesome, thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm going to finish grinding out the EX Gore set and max it out on defense, then I'll slide right in to Deviants.
I'll just throw in my two cents here and say: armor values and gear don't seem to matter as much in a Deviant fight compared to how good and coordinated your group is.
I'll easily trade 3 guys decked out in the best gear for 3 other guys who can mount, paralyze, KO, or trap the monsters in succession.
Especially against something like HB Glav, who has that almost one-shot kill move in his tail attack, bringing down the monster through repeated stuns and lockdowns is the much safer approach.
Oh there are many good HR armors for LBG, depending what you're into. Shaggy set has normal up, and peak condition+light-eater, which works out pretty well (lots of slots too, was able to get artillery expert to go with a musquet for example). It's fairly easy to craft as well. If you're into pierce, akantor R gloves and boots give you pierce up (and I think 1 + 2 slots), leaving you head, chest and waist to work out extra stuff. On the head you can for example go with hayabusa feather (crit eye+2) or barrage earing (load up), and for chest and waist I've used los R which (combined with a talisman) gave me AuL. For chest and waist, I know others have gone narga to pursue some evade skills.
There are many, many combinations. One thing I haven't found though is a good combination working in rapid fire with other useful stuff.
Pejo
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Totally makes sense, but since I haven't seen any of these new moves yet, I want to make sure I don't insta-cart three times in a row until I learn the fights. Maxing my defense and eating for Felyne Defender (Hi) is just a concession to whichever poor suckers join my room later until I learn the fights.
If you're already in HR gear you should be able to handle the first level of any of the deviants solo if you want to practice. The deviants are low rank versions for levels 1-4 of the quest and become high rank aftewards.
Gamer @ Heart
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This. Make sure you go into deviants with at least 400 defense and you should be fine for the first few levels
DrROBschiz
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Just made my first High Rank set and its pretty great
Kecha Wacha. Super easy to kill, easy to make armor
gives Constitution and Stam Recovery up. Only need to gems to get Constitution +2 but I opted to gem in Bhena Skill for Hunger Reduction
SO awesome for bow to be so free to shoot/charge/powershot more often with aggressive frequency
Thanks a bunch monkey squirrel
Kecha Wacha. Super easy to kill, easy to make armor
gives Constitution and Stam Recovery up. Only need to gems to get Constitution +2 but I opted to gem in Bhena Skill for Hunger Reduction
SO awesome for bow to be so free to shoot/charge/powershot more often with aggressive frequency
Thanks a bunch monkey squirrel
I just bought a bunch of Palicoes at level 20 once they showed up and have them for meowster hunter. For monsters, they have a specific color circle/area that are the same as Palicoes. The color usually matches the look or style of the mobster.
There's red, blue, green, yellow, purple, white and brown. Rathalos is red, lagiacruz is white and brachydios is blue for example. If the cat matches the color you get 2 materials instead of one. You can get an extra 10k between quests by selling the more expensive materials or they might help to pad out upgrade materiaks, so it's handy
The first few levels? I've been killing level 10 deviants with 450 defense, no one shots yet. I haven't even used any heavy armor spheres yet. You can upgrade armor to have defense way better than what you actually need even in the end game.
You allergic to challenge, bro? :^) I'd say fight them once as soon as you unlock them.
Fight them solo the first time if you're afraid of frustrating other players or something. No need to be afraid of dying, all you waste is a few thousand wycademy points and some items.
I've only encountered two one-shots so far as a gunner. Akantor's breath and Nakarkos' super laser. Even high level deviant Tigrex couldn't one shot me, but his boulder would bring me down to a sliver. With ~600 defense as a blademaster, it's quite forgiving. If you're not quite there bring an armorskin (still eat for attack though).
I've been screwing around with Blademaster weapons doing Deviant hunts, and actually been having a lot of success. However when I switched to Bow for a Hellblade Glavenus run, that tail spin when he's enraged brought me from full to 0. Yikes.
Other one shots were Nakarkos as well, and Rajang laser.
The best system advancement isn't Hunter Arts but Palicoes. I love the customization of abilities and fashion. I love how it really feels like I have a squad when soloing as a cat (attacker, healer, trapper). I love that they're not Shakalakas.
There are still issues to be worked out- making melee on par with ranged, AI going lazy, bombs seem worthless, etc. But I hope the devs just continue to improve upon the system.
There are still issues to be worked out- making melee on par with ranged, AI going lazy, bombs seem worthless, etc. But I hope the devs just continue to improve upon the system.
Pejo
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I was unaware until the guy above explained that they're effectively low rank at first until you level them up. I was expecting endgame from the first fight, and I remember getting kicked from rooms for being low defense in past games after just joining.
The only thing I don't like about Palicos are the damn cat sound effects. Why do they have to happen so often....
one trick as a gunner that I've used in every MH is to seek out sets where the blademaster helm can be substituted for the gunner helm, Narga is a classic example. The Rathalos sets in this game seem to fit the bill too. That can be a HUGE amount of defense gained, like 50+. There's a few guns with defense as well. Also don't forget armorcharm/armortalon. All these can easily be the difference between a one shot and coming out with a little health.
That's what I'm doing now! Rolling the Black Head S instead of Black Face S because that shit's triggering.
Did the same with the Sailor cap, too. I find the loss in elemental damage is always worth the extra defence. I'll only consider it if the gunner version has a cute helmet.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Sometimes you do the oppisite as a blademaster to get those extra skill points and get more slots for razor sharp.
I too can believe it like naruto now.
spyroflame0487
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I certainly hope hunter arts come back in the next game, but you're absolutely right, the Palicos/Prowlers have been a great addition. In 3U, the Shakas were good as bait, and in 4U they occasionally were life savers with their heals, but it became useless when you got to higher levels.
The cats in this game have been very good, but yeah the AI needs some bumping up. I have one with the trampoliner ability which is a game changer for a gunner like me who has trouble getting monsters near ledges. I thought it was something they had to charge up, but then I played as that cat and it's there all the time. Some sort of system where you can change the frequency of them using certain abilities would be great, maybe a sliding scale thing (so you can devote more frequency to say healing over say playing the cheer horn
I think prowler and Arts should definitely stay!
That being said, what they need to work on is - balance.
Hunters are more versatile and stronger than ever, and somehow the monsters feel weaker than ever.
I understand that you can hunt by yourself, or only with one more hunter, but I would argue that this game is at its best with 4 players online. At the very least, that is what I enjoy the most.
The problem there, is that doing so, feels like animal abuse. The monster die way too quickly and nothing is a challenge - not deviants, not hyper.
I started with MH4U, and I felt monster lasted way longer there, and G rank made the game last much longer as well.
Problems I see -
1) Monster's health.
2) 4 player hunter balance
3) No G rank, longevity- for some reason I felt I reached end game way faster than 4UH
4) Getting necessary items seems way more easier with the trader, like with armor spheres. Feels like it takes no effort.
Simple things that I think are easy to solve.
The new arts are awesome, and I love the changes to the glaive upgrade system!
That being said, what they need to work on is - balance.
Hunters are more versatile and stronger than ever, and somehow the monsters feel weaker than ever.
I understand that you can hunt by yourself, or only with one more hunter, but I would argue that this game is at its best with 4 players online. At the very least, that is what I enjoy the most.
The problem there, is that doing so, feels like animal abuse. The monster die way too quickly and nothing is a challenge - not deviants, not hyper.
I started with MH4U, and I felt monster lasted way longer there, and G rank made the game last much longer as well.
Problems I see -
1) Monster's health.
2) 4 player hunter balance
3) No G rank, longevity- for some reason I felt I reached end game way faster than 4UH
4) Getting necessary items seems way more easier with the trader, like with armor spheres. Feels like it takes no effort.
Simple things that I think are easy to solve.
The new arts are awesome, and I love the changes to the glaive upgrade system!
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Well now monster health has to be adjusted to true damage values so its3X and not 4X.
Mmmmm?
Did I miss something to be offended about? Cause I love having an excuse to be self righteous
Questions for you smart guys.
Currently i am plowing through village quests. Already on Star 5 i think? Generally in previous games i defeat a monster and once i do i get a new looking armor i could get, or a weapon. This time around i don't see many weapons in all of the categories. Specially on the Charge Blade. I did notice earlier today that i could get way more options of CB if i upgraded the weapon. IT opened actually to several different ones depending on the one i wanted to upgrade. IS this one different where i need to upgrade to get new weapons? or maybe i just need to go to HR to see all the weapons start to spring up?
Currently i am plowing through village quests. Already on Star 5 i think? Generally in previous games i defeat a monster and once i do i get a new looking armor i could get, or a weapon. This time around i don't see many weapons in all of the categories. Specially on the Charge Blade. I did notice earlier today that i could get way more options of CB if i upgraded the weapon. IT opened actually to several different ones depending on the one i wanted to upgrade. IS this one different where i need to upgrade to get new weapons? or maybe i just need to go to HR to see all the weapons start to spring up?
no, I think you joined my room when everyone was right about to leave to deal with real life crap
6/7 star prowler quests in the hub and high rank meownster hunter locations drop them.
It was nerfed in the sense that it now functions properly. It's still very potent. No more abuseive game breaking sets though. RIP kelbi bow.
IIRC it was OP in 3U and got nerfed afterwards, in 4U it was still pretty competent though.
Elder dragons typically have higher thresholds against status effects, you're going to have to work harder to shut them down.
Pejo
Member
I think the poison only prevents the "dark" wind effect that blows you back, don't think it's a requirement of stunning him.
Monster Gaf,
I need some help Great Sword user HR6. I'm not sure what armor set I should be working towards as for the (GS) I plan on using am going with the Tiger Blade I'm on the second upgrade need to fight HR tigerex so I could get the 3rd going. If anyone can assist and tell me what armor I should be going for next that would be great. I tried taking on one of the hyper's by myself man the length of the fight was too much Thanks again guys.
I need some help Great Sword user HR6. I'm not sure what armor set I should be working towards as for the (GS) I plan on using am going with the Tiger Blade I'm on the second upgrade need to fight HR tigerex so I could get the 3rd going. If anyone can assist and tell me what armor I should be going for next that would be great. I tried taking on one of the hyper's by myself man the length of the fight was too much Thanks again guys.
I suggest getting a clownsuit with at least Focus and Crit Draw as those are the essentials for a GS. The Black S set has those two but you need to mine the big sword at Pokke with elder dragon bones to get the pieces.
Yeah the black set is easy (although can be tedious) to get and has great skills. I know Boney has a snazzy mixed GS set as well, dont remember what it's built on.
Blackset is that the standard version or is it an S version ?
S version is the high rank version. Also, if you have a Fastcharge +5 OOO slot talisman and a 1 slot weapon like your tigrex GS, you can ideally wear the Grimclaw Tigrex Set which comes with HG earplugs, Speed Eating+2, Destroyer and Crit Draw and you can gem in Fastcharge/Focus.
Yeah I'd go with Black S armor set. I'm using it with the Tigrex Blade and it's really good. You get Focus, Crit Draw and Blight Resistance and I've used a +4 Sheath talisman with 3 slots to add quick sheath.
If you don't have a good Sheath talisman you can use the Vespoid Tassets instead of the Black Armor spine to give you +5 Sheathing, but then you need to add in jewels to make up the rest (and you'll lose Blight resistance but it isn't as important).
Yeah I'm using it with a punish draw (+5, 000), it's great fun.
I have a weird ass set with Tigrex Helmet, Dark Armor, black belt gloves, chrome metal failed and dark boots and a fast charge + 5 with 3 slots for Focus, Crit Draw and Punish Draw.
Just recently made a GS aerial set with vault mount sheathing and Stamina recovery, it's pretty fun
Just recently made a GS aerial set with vault mount sheathing and Stamina recovery, it's pretty fun
prodystopian
Member
Just finished LR in the hub solo with the obsidian daggers using aerial. It's a lot of fun!
The fashion hunter in me wants to make a full set of Gammoth Armor now that I've finally beaten it. Same with all the Gammoth weapons, but I'm not going to deal with -20% affinity just for a little power boost, and I'm not going to give up on my full set of Rathalos armor now that I've got a charm to give me Atk Up L.
Also, what are the requirements for allowing you to use more than 1 cat for trading? I know in 4U I was rocking 3 at once so I had that constant stream of honey and other stuff coming in, but with just 1 it's a hassle to try to decide which items I should focus on getting. I'm guessing it's some Prowler quests that I haven't unlocked?
Also, what are the requirements for allowing you to use more than 1 cat for trading? I know in 4U I was rocking 3 at once so I had that constant stream of honey and other stuff coming in, but with just 1 it's a hassle to try to decide which items I should focus on getting. I'm guessing it's some Prowler quests that I haven't unlocked?
do village prowler quests.