NeverYouMind
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Wavenet UMK3 in this collection is still blowing my mind.
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kevboard
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Wavenet UMK3 in this collection is still blowing my mind.
the only game relevant difference compared to the normal one is Noob Saibot tho right?
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MrCunningham
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The one thing that I can't get over with Mythologies: Sub Zero is how much the game looks like the spiritual successor of 16-bit versions of Batman Forever..
Both games use digitized sprites, and beat 'em up/ platformer hybrids with notoriously awkward control schemes. Both were featured on the AVGN.
Batman Forever was developed by Probe Entertainment, and the games apparently uses their version of the Mortal Kombat engine that was developed for MK1 and MK2 on the Genesis. MK Mythologies: Sub Zero apparently uses a modified version of the MK3 engine.
The 16-bit Batman Forever games were released in 1995 to tie-in with the movie, they sold really well because of that Batman movie license. Sub Zero was released in 1997... only two years after. Did Boon and Tobias take notes that Batman Forever was using a MK derivative engine, and they decide to make their own version of it?
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Knightime_X
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Sub zero game probably would have done SO MUCH BETTER if they gave the player a greater advantage.
By that, I mean improve platform landing zones, and hazard hit boxes. Those 2 alone would have improved the game dramatically.
MrCunningham
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I rented it for the N64 back in the day, and the platforming landing zone and hit boxes were incredibly awkward, so were the controls. There are some things that I do like about Sub Zero Mythologies, like the digitized sprites over Polygon backgrounds. The cheesy FMV of the PS1 game (N64 uses still images) , the music. I like the concept overall, but the execution was not great. I could say almost the same thing about Batman Forever, a game that I also have memories of renting for the SNES.
I'm not implying that either are hidden gems. But they fall in the same bizarre sub genre of beat 'em up platformer. I think Sub Zero is a novelty at best, an interesting inclusion. I can't really say anything about Special Forces. I have never played it. The game reminds me of the Nakatomi Plaza sections from Die Hard Trilogy (another Probe made game!) just by looking at youtube videos.
I swear Special Forces was radically different durring development and was going to have Sonya Blade as a playable character as well, and would have features more Tomb Raider-like gameplay.
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kazuyamishima
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Tell us the release date son!!
sloppyjoe_gamer
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9/30 if the Xbox leak is accurate for the digital version
kazuyamishima
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I hope so, I'm ready to finally finish the infamous mythologies game.
NeverYouMind
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I legit do not know.
kazuyamishima
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And Holy $hit, they are including MK Trilogy as well.................... but is not the N64 version right, RIGHT??
RAIDEN1
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Another question comes to mind more than 30 years later, why wasn't Mortal Kombat CD arcade perfect....
NeverYouMind
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Because CD improves audio and not video quality? It could play FMVs unlike Genesis but the image quality had the same limitations as the base Genesis. That threshold could be crossed with 32X attachment used alongside Sega CD but I cannot think of any commercially successful games with that implementation.
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kevboard
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the Mega CD only has a tiny amount of additional power compared to a normal Mega Drive.
it could do sprite rotation and had a co-processor. but it didn't fix the main issue of the system, which is the heavily limited color palette, nor could it magically increase the resolution to match the arcade version.
MK Arcade Machines ran at 400x245, the MegaDrive could only do 320x224 max.
MK Arcade Machines used like 30k colors or something, and the MegaDrive only has a color palette of 512 colors.
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sloppyjoe_gamer
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Correct its the Playstation version
MrCunningham
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Overall the Sega CD port is an enhanced version of the Genesis/ MD game. There are more frames of animation per sprite in the Sega CD game. There's more detail added to some of the stages in the Sega CD version. The attract screens are closer to the arcade game. The blood is enabled by default in the Sega CD game. No blood code. Visually it still looks like the Genesis game, as it uses the same colour pallets. Both games still run at the same resolution. The opening cinematic uses the Mortal Monday TV ad. Also side note: the gameplay footage in the Sega CD intro is from the SNES version of Mortal Kombat.
Sprite comparison:
There are more voice samples overall and higher quality audio samples. The Sega CD version does use red book audio tracks of the arcade music. But it oddly uses tracks in the wrong stage... but with a little bit of editing, you can put them in the right spots. Though to be honest, The Genesis/ MD soundtrack is still fantastic in its' own right.
Genesis/ MD:
Sega CD:
The Sega CD music is literally a recording of the arcade music tracks. The Sega CD's 8 PCM channels are not being used for the music. Even though they are being used for the sound effects and voice samples.
The biggest downside to the Sega CD port is the loading times, between rounds, and before fatalities. Also Shang Tsung loads between morphs. Which is a common issue that almost every CD based console had with Mortal Kombat. Even on the Playstation, and Sega Saturn, the game pauses to load fatalities and Shang Tsung morphs.
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MacReady13
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I remember that quite well on Mortal Kombat Trilogy on Playstation! I hope this collection removes that loading as I love it to be authentic but not THAT authentic!
MrCunningham
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Yes, it has been confirmed that all loading has been eradicated from the Playstation version of Mortal Kombat Trilogy.
MacReady13
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Excellent! Also, I know the Mega Drive/Genesis version of Mortal Kombat has different music to the SNES/Arcade versions, but I love the music in that version! When devs did it right, the Mega Drive sound was fantastic!
NeverYouMind
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I am a bit concerned about this collection turning out good. Last time they did a fighting game collection was Street Fighter 30th Anniversary Collection and that was embarrassingly barebones and had input lag issues. A lot of their collections featuring Genesis titles also lacked in the audio department. The last collection I played had a blurry CRT filter, choppy LCD filter, and extra pixelated Monitor filter. If they did not improve on these I am going to reconsider purchasing this.
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TonberrysKnife
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They've stepped up their game BIG TIME. The Street Fighter Anniversary Collection was a shitty slap-dash of games with long ass load times, gimped ports with bad input lag. The TMNT collection was actually decent.
NeverYouMind
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That is the one I recently played. It left me wanting in many regards. I hope this collection turns out better.
Omnipunctual Godot
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If you play on PC, you might want to try ShaderGlass. It's a free program that lets you add customizable shader/filter overlays to your monitor.
GitHub - mausimus/ShaderGlass: Overlay for running GPU shaders on top of Windows desktop
Overlay for running GPU shaders on top of Windows desktop - mausimus/ShaderGlass
github.com
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NeverYouMind
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I have seen a lot of requests for Dreamcast's Mortal Kombat Gold. More likely it is because they do not have an emulator up and running for the system.
Krathoon
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Yeah. I don't know if they have a Dreamcast emulator. There may be some licensing issues.
MrCunningham
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There's no licensing issues with the game itself. It was published by Midway, which is now owned by WB Games. Unless there is some licensing issue with the BIOS of the Dreamcast, itself? Which possibly is still copyright protected by Sega. But even then, working around the BIOS should be possible. My guess is that Digital Eclipse does not have their own in-house Dreamcast emulator yet.
I don't think Digital Eclipse has done Dreamcast emulation yet... or N64 for that matter. The easy route would be to grab the Flycast core. But Digital Eclipse does go that extra distance to make their own emulators.
When they announced Mortal Kombat Trilogy for the PS1, they also made it clear that this is their first Playstation 1 in-house emulator. Also, Mortal Kombat for the Game Gear uses their first Sega 8-bit emulator.
Some Mortal Kombat games did not make the kut due to licensing rights. But, I don't think this is one of them. Sega does not own MK Gold. I doubt Eurocom does either. This was from an era where Midway was self publishing console games.
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AeonGaidenRaiden
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Im more surprised they added Special Forces in the mix. It was probably the worst MK game ever and one of the worst 3d beat em ups ever released. MK Mythologies is a close second but it has some cannon and fanbase plus its connected to MK4.
