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[Omegasquash]

So what I'm kind of getting from this thread if I want to keep my weight the same throughout my life (~160lbs at 5'11) and not get diabetes:

Focus on high proteins, low carbs so you don't get hungry after eating a meal
Try to eat around 2000 calories a day
Less red meat (try to eat chicken instead of beef)
Eat your vegetables
Avoid processed foods
Limit sugar (no soda) and trans fat
Try to get vitamins
Be physically active(I'm guessing running or jogging a mile or two would be fine? I don't run much so I couldn't do more if I tried lol)

By doing this you have a much better chance of living a longer, healthier life.

Try not to get absorbed by the details, because the interpipes are full of details, many of which contradict one another. What you've detailed is a mighty fine foundation for health.

 

[BamfMeat]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

I don't think they mean beer when they say drink more alcohol though

 

[oti]

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

Beer is liquid bread so NU UH NO BEER!

 

[Zing]

I'll be totally honest I found this article because I was curious and also skeptical of how many people tried to suggest Chipotle was healthy in the "anti-chipotle website" thread.

You suggest the food is "unhealthy" strictly based on sodium and caloric values.

"Healthy" can, and should, also include nutritional content (vitamin/mineral/protein) and fibre as well as higher level concepts such as lack of chemical ingredients.

 

[Google]

So what I'm kind of getting from this thread if I want to keep my weight the same throughout my life (~160lbs at 5'11) and not get diabetes:

Focus on high proteins, low carbs so you don't get hungry after eating a meal
Try to eat around 2000 calories a day
Less red meat (try to eat chicken instead of beef)
Eat your vegetables
Avoid processed foods
Limit sugar (no soda) and trans fat
Try to get vitamins
Be physically active(I'm guessing running or jogging a mile or two would be fine? I don't run much so I couldn't do more if I tried lol)

Yes.

Nutrition 101.

 

[CharlieDigital]

So what I'm kind of getting from this thread if I want to keep my weight the same throughout my life (~160lbs at 5'11) and not get diabetes:

Focus on high proteins, low carbs so you don't get hungry after eating a meal
Try to eat around 2000 calories a day
Less red meat (try to eat chicken instead of beef)
Eat your vegetables
Avoid processed foods
Limit sugar (no soda) and trans fat
Try to get vitamins
Be physically active(I'm guessing running or jogging a mile or two would be fine? I don't run much so I couldn't do more if I tried lol)

Focus on high proteins, low carbs so you don't get hungry after eating a meal

Not necessarily true when you look at Mediterranean diets which do incorporate plenty of carbs. Japan has one of the highest life expectancies in the world and the typical Asian diet has more carbs than protein. It's about picking the right carbs, the right fats, and incorporating other factors that contribute to a healthy lifestyle.

Less red meat (try to eat chicken instead of beef)

Seafood is even better. Make sustainable choices like opting for sardines or herring - fish that are lower on the food chain - instead of tuna.

 

[Google]

Not necessarily true when you look at Mediterranean diets which do incorporate plenty of carbs.

and plenty of fats that fill them up.

 

[Mr_Fern]

Mine is between 600-700 calories.

Not bad, really.

Breakfast: PB2 and a bannana - ~150 calories
Lunch: Chipotle: 700 calories (sofritas, double veggies, two salsas, sour cream, lettuce. rice if I'm feeling dangerous)
Dinner: "square meal" (protein, veggie, starch) made at home: ~800 calories

Snack: Quest bar (200 calories), small candy (~150 calories)


Total: 2000 calories a day, and that's on the high end; I usually come out to about 1700-1800 calories.

I eat Chipotle at least three times a week.

What do you drink on those meals? delicious sugary "natural" beverages?

 

[Google]

What do you drink on those meals? delicious sugary "natural" beverages?

Why would you assume someone who eats a balanced diet is drinking a sugary drink.

Even if he was the rest of the diet has more than enough room for it.

 

[entremet]

What do you drink on those meals? delicious sugary "natural" beverages?

Diet Coke and Coke Zero are great options.

 

[Flip4k]

The building I started working at last year has a Chipotle in it.

I can't fit into my pants from last year anymore....

 

[Google]

Diet Coke and Coke Zero are great options.

Yeah, That's not true.

 

[RedStep]

When I'm feeling like being healthy, the bowl I get (Chicken/White Rice/Tomato Salsa/Lettuce) is only 420 calories. Compared to what 420 calories will get you (filling-wise) at any other fast food joint, Chipotle is straight-up health food.

 

[CharlieDigital]

and plenty of fats that fill them up.

Yeah, fat is an important part of a healthy diet contrary to the now dying myth that low-fat equals "healthy".

Even carbs can fill you up and be good for you as long as you make good choices (e.g. sources that are high in fiber and other nutrients) like a yam. Asian diets tend to be more carb focused, but incorporate a lot of high fiber vegetables and leafy greens.

It's not as simple as high protein/low carb; there is a spectrum of diets which can be considered "healthy" and promote a longer, healthier life.

It's about making good food choices and that requires some basic nutritional knowledge and just knowing how your own body reacts to different foods.

 

[this_guy]

Yeah, That's not true.

Water is better for you, but Coke Zero and diet soda is fine.

 

[BobTheFork]

I don't understand the surprise here? They sell big burritos. It's not like the name Chipotle being on the door will change what the fuck a fully loaded burrito is.

Mexican food can be pretty healthy but c'mon, nobody is dumb enough to think a burrito with cheese, sour cream and guacamole is anything less than a calorie bomb.

...are they?

Yes they are. They take their impression of the health of the food not from the ingredients but the marketing and 'design' of the place they eat.\

Subway has gotten away with it for years. From calling the Parent company 'Doctors associates' for no reason to funneling the marketing through a slimmed down child molester. So there are people I know who get giant foot long subs with double meat and cheese and mayo and think it's 'healthy'

 

[CharlieDigital]

Water is better for you, but Coke Zero and diet soda is fine.

There are studies that show that artificial sweeteners throw off your body's metabolic response to sweet tasting foods.

In the long run, better (and cheaper?) to just stick to water.

 

[entremet]

Yeah, That's not true.

Prove it.

 

[Mr_Fern]

Why would you assume someone who eats a balanced diet is drinking a sugary drink.

Even if he was the rest of the diet has more than enough room for it.

That's why i'm asking, a lot of people that I know think that a "natural" processed drink is part of their healthy diet, and that is bullshit.

Also, I been in the US several times and all restaurants that i visited serve sugary beverages or coke, if you ask for water it taste horrible.

Diet Coke and Coke Zero are great options.

Well, that's not... are you serious?

 

[CharlieDigital]

Prove it.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...ter-our-gut-microbes-and-the-risk-of-diabetes

First, they analyzed data collected from a group of about 400 people who are enrolled in an ongoing nutrition study. They found that people who were heavy consumers of artificial sweeteners had slightly elevated HbA1C levels (a long-term measure of blood sugar) — compared with people who rarely or never consumed artificial sweeteners.

Next, they recruited seven volunteers — people who were not in the habit of drinking diet drinks — and asked them to start consuming the equivalent of 10-12 of those fake sugar packets during a one-week experiment.

"What we find is that a subgroup [four of the seven people] developed significant disturbances in their blood glucose even after short-term exposure to artificial sweeteners," Elinav says.

For example, results of a glucose tolerance test found that some individuals' blood sugar temporarily shot up to levels that are characterized as pre-diabetic within just a few days of introducing the artificial sweetener.

That's because our primitive wiring causes our bodies to react a certain way once the nerves on our tongue sense the taste of sweet (there have been studies that show that athletes who swig, but do not drink sports drinks, can trigger the response as well). Artificial sweeteners trigger that same reaction in the body because it's the same neurological response.

Aside from that, it's highly acidic and is bad for your teeth both from the perspective of the appearance (coloration) and the function (enamel). The young ladies that I work with all end up drinking their diet soda via straws to prevent this effect.

 

[hammysaurusrex]

Not really much of a contribution other than to add I have the same anecdotal experience with friends simultaneously lambasting the evils of fast food and praising their own "healthy dining experience" that includes wolfing down one of these things solely as a snack. That's not to say I don't also indulge on occasion, but if I do I'm calculating it and that's my meal for the whole day.

That being said, the sodium thing is most likely a non-issue. Unless you actually have a problem handling sodium (renal issues, heart failure, etc.) then the recommend sodium numbers we use are more or less based on magic.

 

[IchigoSharingan]

About that.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/17/study-questions-fat-and-heart-disease-link/?_r=0

Good article. Will take into consideration. The comments section aint even that half bad either.

 

[dark10x]

I just rediscovered Chipotle after moving to Frankfurt. Having already had it in Paris, I can safely say that the burritos in Europe are quite a bit smaller than those available in the US. I wonder what the calorie count is in comparison? I suspect it's quite a bit lower.

Unfortunately, prices are also higher. So you pay more and get less. :\

 

[Opiate]

But it don't have GMOs!!! It must be healthy.

This is really the point that's worth getting across.

Chipotle sells itself as home grown / all natural / non-GMO, and it sells those hard. Thus it's important to note, as the OP does, that these qualities are not inherently healthy.

Home grown, all natural, non-GMO foods are not inherently more or less healthy than mass produced products that contain genetically modified ingredients. The fact that Chipotle's chickens are free range or that their vegetables are non-GMO does not mean that magical healthy fairy dust has been sprinkled on their gigantic burritos. That is the point this study intends to illustrate, and it does so quite well.

If you just hate GMOs for ideological reasons, then that's a different discussion.

 

[DOWN]

Who are all these people in the thread that only eat their two or three big meals and no spreading it out or snacks? Do y'all not know about smaller, multiple meals being advocated for you since the body doesn't process binge calories as well?

Lol at people filling this thread with their healthier orders like it affects the reality of average customers. Telling everyone to leave out the popular ingredients like they'll still want to buy it �� �� ��

And Guac ain't the bad part of a bowl but I love how no one is talking about the sodium. A large point here is, people aren't choosing a healthy single meal in terms of calories, and Chipotle brands itself based on all natural, GMO-free marketing to evoke health.

Only retards won't understand the difference between healthy carbs and empty carbs.

Slapping a general "carb is bad" label is just stupid. This is just propaganda.

Who even said this?

such as lack of chemical ingredients.

Lack of chemical ingredients doesn't mean shit in your 1070 calorie entree and let's not pretend America is great with portions and only eats two meals on a Chipotle day. And yeah, calories matter. Americans aren't great at balancing and curbing hunger around their 1070 calorie+ meal

Such a new article, much wow. It's such utter BS too

The real average order is BS?

These stories are so annoying

? This is showing what people order and showing they order high calorie, very high sodium. The point is what people actually eat, not general health tips as you are casting it.

Just had this thread about 2 weeks ago.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1107350

Except it was full of back and forth that had little to do with real average orders. Lots of people doing what they do in this thread, saying "i eat a bowl of meat with salsa poured on it and it is healthy so this article is common sense that the public outsmarts IMO" Ya anecdotes mean shit

 

[Omegasquash]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...ter-our-gut-microbes-and-the-risk-of-diabetes



That's because our primitive wiring causes our bodies to react a certain way once the nerves on our tongue sense the taste of sweet (there have been studies that show that athletes who swig, but do not drink sports drinks, can trigger the response as well). Artificial sweeteners trigger that same reaction in the body because it's the same neurological response.

While the study should be enough to give anyone pause, however there's a decent chunk of the article that goes on to say that more research is needed for confirmation.

The end statement on drinking more water, however, is something I'm fully in line with.

 

[Snkfanatic]

That's why i'm asking, a lot of people that I know think that a "natural" processed drink is part of their healthy diet, and that is bullshit.

Also, I been in the US several times and all restaurants that i visited serve sugary beverages or coke, if you ask for water it taste horrible.?

Huh?

 

[CharlieDigital]

While the study should be enough to give anyone pause, however there's a decent chunk of the article that goes on to say that more research is needed for confirmation.

The end statement on drinking more water, however, is something I'm fully in line with.

It's not the only study; there have been many that reach similar conclusions that artificial sweeteners are detrimental to our health because of how our bodies are wired to respond to the taste of sugar hitting the nerve receptors on our tongues. There is one study that I cannot find on short notice that showed that athletes who swigged and spit out sports drinks had similar biological responses to those who actually drank the sports drink because of the sugar hitting their tongue.

Studies have also shown, for example, that artificial sweeteners throw off our sweetness gauge because many artificial sweeteners are many times sweeter than sugar.

This is just the one that was freshest in my head as I sent it to my co-worker a few months back.

Edit: here it is: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/spt--the-sports-drink-exercise-trick-224324959.html

It tricks your body into thinking "Oh hey, more energy is coming so I can release some of the stored energy that I have".

 

[DOWN]

double

 

[Griss]

Is it bad that I thought that wasn't a lot of calories? Shit I can't function without like 800 cals at lunch, which feels like nothing. (Then I crash 2 hours later; fucking refined carbs)

 

[Lonely1]

I just rediscovered Chipotle after moving to Frankfurt. Having already had it in Paris, I can safely say that the burritos in Europe are quite a bit smaller than those available in the US. I wonder what the calorie count is in comparison? I suspect it's quite a bit lower.

Unfortunately, prices are also higher. So you pay more and get less. :\

At least you wont get fat, though.

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Is it bad that I thought that wasn't a lot of calories? Shit I can't function without like 800 cals at lunch, which feels like nothing. (Then I crash 2 hours later; fucking refined carbs)

well, for perspective, as a 5 foot seven dude, 1000 calories is around 2/3rds of what I eat per day if I want to maintain weight.

so that's a lot of food for me

 

[IdreamofHIME]

There's a real sudden hate for this company. Was it always there bubbling away? it just seems like lately everyone has the knives out for them.

 

[MogCakes]

As a college student i love that each order is basically 2 meals. Hell of a lot healthier than most other fast food joints comparatively. I only grab it once in a while when i get bored of my groceries.

 

[this_guy]

Who are all these people in the thread that only eat their two or three big meals and no spreading it out or snacks? Do y'all not know about smaller, multiple meals being advocated for you since the body doesn't process binge calories as well?

The eating multiple small meals every few hours is broscience from 20 years ago. Intermittent fasting works for people and it's all about eating all your calories in a small window of time.

 

[God Dayumm]

Who are all these people in the thread that only eat their two or three big meals and no spreading it out or snacks? Do y'all not know about smaller, multiple meals being advocated for you since the body doesn't process binge calories as well?

That is no binge eating

 

[DOWN]

The eating multiple small meals every few hours is broscience from 20 years ago. Intermittent fasting works for people and it's all about eating all your calories in a small window of time.

teach me about this

 

[Mr. X]

Man, those would be great on a bulk if the Chipotle by me wasn't stingy with their meat servings.

 

[Omegasquash]

It's not the only study; there have been many that reach similar conclusions that artificial sweeteners are detrimental to our health because of how our bodies are wired to respond to the taste of sugar hitting the nerve receptors on our tongues. There is one study that I cannot find on short notice that showed that athletes who swigged and spit out sports drinks had similar biological responses to those who actually drank the sports drink because of the sugar hitting their tongue.

Studies have also shown, for example, that artificial sweeteners throw off our sweetness gauge because many artificial sweeteners are many times sweeter than sugar.

This is just the one that was freshest in my head as I sent it to my co-worker a few months back.

Edit: here it is: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/spt--the-sports-drink-exercise-trick-224324959.html

It tricks your body into thinking "Oh hey, more energy is coming so I can release some of the stored energy that I have".

Thanks for digging that up, I appreciate it. That frames the effect in a way that makes it leagues easier to understand.

And I'm also going to keep that trick in the back of my pocket. It could prove very useful.

 

[Ganhyun]

Huh?

I wonder where he's going that the water is that bad. I drink water all the time when I eat out and don't have an issue. The rare times I do is because some bus boy washing dishes didnt rinse the cup out properly. Easily resolved.

There's a real sudden hate for this company. Was it always there bubbling away? it just seems like lately everyone has the knives out for them.

People love to hate on anything that gets popular. In this case, the advertising tends to lead customers down the path that Chipotle is healthier than burger places. People tend to order the unhealthier options though.

Also, to those complaining about sodium: most American foods that are not completely 100% fresh are sodium buckets already. Pretty much ANY fast food place will have that problem.

 

[woodypop]

Man, those would be great on a bulk if the Chipotle by me wasn't stingy with their meat servings.

My closest one is the same way. They used to be pretty generous for a while after they opened, but now they've swung too far in the opposite direction.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

My closest one is the same way. They used to be pretty generous for a while after they opened, but now they've swung too far in the opposite direction.

what I do now is say half and half. Say, "half carintas, half steak". Throw in some human error in them guesstimating half and just wanting to get on with this order, and you get plenty

#lifehacks

 

[demon]

what I do now is say half and half. Say, "half carintas, half steak". Throw in some human error in them guesstimating half and just wanting to get on with this order, and you get plenty

#lifehacks

"I'd like half carnitas....."

"ok"

"....and...half carnitas. Thanks".

 

[SummitAve]

It's not the only study; there have been many that reach similar conclusions that artificial sweeteners are detrimental to our health because of how our bodies are wired to respond to the taste of sugar hitting the nerve receptors on our tongues. There is one study that I cannot find on short notice that showed that athletes who swigged and spit out sports drinks had similar biological responses to those who actually drank the sports drink because of the sugar hitting their tongue.

Studies have also shown, for example, that artificial sweeteners throw off our sweetness gauge because many artificial sweeteners are many times sweeter than sugar.

The conclusion of that study was not that "artificial sweeteners are detrimental to our health." That was your own interpretation.

 

[DOWN]

I'm not hating on Chipotle, I'm hating on GAF anecdotes. I named Chipotle among my faves just a couple of months back (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1078603). I just disagree with the healthy stigma attached to it when many Americans have an overconsumption issue and clearly, Chipotle is high calorie, large portions for most of their customers no matter what salsa bowl you claim saves your day

"I'd like half carnitas....."

"ok"

"....and...half carnitas. Thanks".

It's an art. Act like you were still deciding on your second meat until they put the spoon down, then say "actually I'll do the other half carnitas too thanks"

Bam! Two big halves

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

What do you drink on those meals? delicious sugary "natural" beverages?

I have water with ~80% of my meals and beverage consumption. I don't drink coffee.

I enjoy alcoholic beverages on Friday night, and I usually cheat with an energy drink or soda about once or twice a week. 9 times out of 10, I get water with my Chipotle.

 

[vwnut13]

Those steak crispy tacos...

Where's the food?

 

[Griss]

well, for perspective, as a 5 foot seven dude, 1000 calories is around 2/3rds of what I eat per day if I want to maintain weight.

so that's a lot of food for me

I count calories every day and I find staying under 2,200 to be a massive, massive struggle.

That said, I don't eat veggies whatsoever and have a wicked sweet tooth so maybe it's harder for me than most.

 

[Mr_Fern]

I have water with ~80% of my meals and beverage consumption. I don't drink coffee.

I enjoy alcoholic beverages on Friday night, and I usually cheat with an energy drink or soda about once or twice a week. 9 times out of 10, I get water with my Chipotle.

That's very god, I take my prejudice back.

 

[Zing]

Water is better for you, but Coke Zero and diet soda is fine.

Diet Coke and Coke Zero are great options.

This may be a root of the nutritional issues in America. Aspartame/Sucralose laden phosphoric acid is "great" and "fine".