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There's just so fucking many of them, they're so bland, and they act like they're some kind of socially responsible saviors of fast food.
Most Chipotle meals are over 1000 calories and a day's worth of sodium (NYT)
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There's just so fucking many of them, they're so bland, and they act like they're some kind of socially responsible saviors of fast food.
Certainly one of the issues, for sure.
"I'll stop drinking sugary soda and fill my body with fake sugar instead. That'll work fine"
It's definitely not something that will increase your weight.
You're right. I you just drank diet coke and never ate food you'd probably lose weight.
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No, I'm pretty sure that the root of the nutritional issues in america is that we eat too damn much.
FallingEdge
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I think it's because portions are too big and people eat too much high fructose corn syrup and sugar instead of the fake sugar stuff. If portions were smaller and people were drinking Coke Zero instead of Coke I think people would be better off.
If I just drink diet coke and eat at a caloric deficit I will definitely lose weight.
His point is the lack of education that points to people thinking that a can of diet coke is a great alternative.
Well done. Why is losing weight suddenly a healthy state?
LaunchpadMcQ
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Yeah, this is what I do. Brown rice, beans, chicken, pico, lettuce. Nothing crazy there, but I guess I'm used to eating that way already.
It's definitely a great alternative to regular coke if you want to reduce your caloric intake.
You're right but it actually confuses your body due to the fake sugar it's interpreting as real sugar. This can cause you to actually feel hungry and store fat.
Omegasquash
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I'm confused here. I have a diet coke on occasion when I have a hankering for something sweet, and I used it as a tool when I was dieting for weight loss to great success.
Your post didn't mention health, only that you need to not eat food if you want to maintain weight and drink diet soda at the same time.
Losing weight and lowering your body fat percentage is healthy if you are overweight. If somebody does this by being in a caloric deficit, whether they are drinking diet sodas or not, they would be in a more healthy state than when they were overweight and had a higher body fat percentage.
Good for you on losing weight. But I'm not going to tell you were doing the right thing in drinking a diet coke over a San Pelligrino and lime.
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LyleLanley
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Now I want to know what the unhealthiest meal at Chipotle is.
can't wait to make multiple quesaritos fit my macros when I start a bulk
Omegasquash
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Because I could have done it, what, better? I drink seltzer on the regular now, simply because I wasn't aware of how delicious it is. There's no advocating that diet coke is a source of nutrition by any stretch, and I wasn't seeking congratulations or approval, so the knock on me for drinking diet coke went over my head. Next time, try looking down on me a bit more.
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It's a hypothesis not actually proven.
The gut biome effect is at high doses and in rats. The number of humans in the study is pretty low. It's very preliminary data and too early for clinical significance.
I find that the diet drinks lead to weight gain is more significant because of the bias in a population. If heavier people drink more diet drinks than lighter, fit people it has more to do with the overall diet rather than the drink itself.
You're the one that decided to bring your personal accomplishments into a conversational regarding the nutritional negatives of drinking aspartame/sucralose loaded soft-drinks.
depths20XX
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Man, people really going in hard on Chipotle lately. I could give a fuck less about GMO free or organic. Their stuff is just good. I still think it's better alternative than a lot of other fast food places. No shit it's a ton of calories.
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Wait, people think it's healthy to drink acid?
uncelestial
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I'm veg and I can't even come close to finishing a burrito bowl anyway, so (shrug)
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A Fish Aficionado
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Lol no. To demonstrate why it's not, take the pH of foods/drinks and then explain why like say citrus fruits would be bad for us.
It has to do with overall diet consumption.
deltatheta
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I'm getting confused by your sentient digestive system metaphor. Can you get more specific on what's bad about artificial sweeteners?
Ziltoidia 9
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Hes saying your body will feel hungry and as a results think its in a starvation situation, and store energy as fat.
Omegasquash
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You didn't address the judgment implicit in your previous statement.
Conversations typically include differing viewpoints and experiences, and shouldn't include unwelcome and situationally inappropriate comments.
Get over it. No one was judging you. I was trying to keep the subject on topic instead of using an example of your own personal weight loss for Diet Coke being OK.
I'm not saying it's good or bad to enjoy a coke (diet or otherwise) - I'm simply stating that it's not healthy for you. You're bringing your own personal bullshit into the argument and getting upset that I'm not falling over myself in agreeing with your personal anecdotes.
TLDR: Artiicial additives make the body think it's receiving 'real food' and it gets confused and makes shitty stuff happen to you.
http://robbwolf.com/2012/04/20/additive-effect-artificial-intelligent/
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this is so irrelevant I am begging you to PM instead
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Actually, you did. I wasn't looking for, asking for, or seeking your approval, but you chose to make a note of it anyway. Had nothing to do with keeping the subject on topic.
Have a look at your tone, and cool off.
I mean, I can't say I'm surprised. Everyone I know that gets Chipotle every day (or at least more than once a week) is pretty heavy. Hell, I know someone that eats there twice a day, and it shows.
Personally I feel overly full from just a burrito, but it's still nice every once in a while. I don't add sour cream or guacamole though, just salsa, lettuce, beans (I mean, duh), and cheese. That still is super heavy. Even with brown rice.
Personally I feel overly full from just a burrito, but it's still nice every once in a while. I don't add sour cream or guacamole though, just salsa, lettuce, beans (I mean, duh), and cheese. That still is super heavy. Even with brown rice.
Agreed. Nutritionally, artificial sweeteners are a minute amount of chemicals in highly safe doses. Response triggers to the sweet sensation are not well studied and there is an argument that getting that sweetness actually kills cravings among sugar addicts, like a hit of methadone for a heroin junkie. Third, many people who drink diet soft drinks are overweight and trying to be less overweight, usually unsuccessfully. The slim often just don't drink pop.
That being said diet pop is really bad for your teeth. Just drink water. Sparkling water if you want the fizz.
deltatheta
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I dunno, it's still vague, there's a lot of detail in the part you quoted about biochemistry but the only thing that specifically talks about sweeteners says, "Now, lets see what happens when monoglycerides and saccharin storm the fort. Instead of the normal activation of calcium channels, increased oxygen consumption and release of insulin, the beta cells seem to get a little loopy (like too much weed or something), they start releasing reactive oxygen species (ROS)."
I'm guessing this is based on some sort of correlation identified by empirical research but I'm not seeing an actual mechanism other than a lot of metaphors. Like saying that my body thinks that I'm receiving "real food" and gets "confused" by "artificial additives".
Sorry. I'm not sure what else there is to discuss about how it's possible to order a lot of food at Chipotle.
That's great! I think the only lesson here is that one shouldn't replace water with Cola Light or anything really because it's 0 calories. Instead of a soda you could also drink a smoothie as a way to satisfy your sweet tooth. It's definitely healthier and all but again, if soda works for you and you prefer it go for it.
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so you're aware you shouldn't be having a totally different discussion here then though?
Well yeah. I'm not a biochemist and honestly dont understand half the science in a lot of the journals/articles that I've been reading so I tend to gravitate to the easier, dumbed down science from people I trust like Robb Wolf.
Sorry I cant explain it further but whether you believe the articles or not I think the explanation is fairly simple to understand in that specific link.
Diet coke is a great alternative to regular coke.
Do you have anything that proves the body stores fat when drinking diet coke? Every study I've seen hypothesized that but never proves it. You're saying it "tricks" the brain and causes the body to store fat? Sugar causes that response and causes an increase in insulin levels when that happens. I've never seen a study that shows artificial sweeteners do that.
hammysaurusrex
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It's important to separate the diet soda debate based on the population you're addressing.
On an individual level, diet sodas can work great. As long as you are counting calories and you aren't trying to compensate those calories in other ways, then you will lose weight by drinking diet soda compared to regular soda.
That being said, on a societal level there's some pretty compelling evidence that diet drinks are not a fix for the obesity problem - people in general are very bad at estimating calories, and providing them with something "calorie free" causes them to try and compensate and ultimately ends up adding more calories than if they had just drank regular soda. However, to use this data to make prescriptive advice on what will work best for a given individual is a bit misguided.
As people have said, very few of these studies are clinical. People always have to factor in the denominator - there are thousands upon thousands of biochemical hypotheses that turn out to be simply incorrect when we actually test their predictions on human health outcomes. I think there's considerable plausibility to the microbiome findings and they should continue to be researched, but people should be cautious about over-interpretation.
On an individual level, diet sodas can work great. As long as you are counting calories and you aren't trying to compensate those calories in other ways, then you will lose weight by drinking diet soda compared to regular soda.
That being said, on a societal level there's some pretty compelling evidence that diet drinks are not a fix for the obesity problem - people in general are very bad at estimating calories, and providing them with something "calorie free" causes them to try and compensate and ultimately ends up adding more calories than if they had just drank regular soda. However, to use this data to make prescriptive advice on what will work best for a given individual is a bit misguided.
As people have said, very few of these studies are clinical. People always have to factor in the denominator - there are thousands upon thousands of biochemical hypotheses that turn out to be simply incorrect when we actually test their predictions on human health outcomes. I think there's considerable plausibility to the microbiome findings and they should continue to be researched, but people should be cautious about over-interpretation.
Smoothies are very calorie densed (so high calories), often times high in sugar, and won't necessarily fill you up. Its great for getting vitamins and minerals, but you'll be hungry again and might consume more calories. If you're disciplined and can skip a meal than great, but otherwise you might be just consuming extra calories. Proteins and fats will fill you up.
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For those uninitiated it's the same thing but with a queso sauce that's decent.
Green smoothies tho. You know, it's fiber and vitamins and all that. I personally only drink water and I don't know why but my super power is to drink 6 liters of water every day with ease. I don't even have to think about it. And if I want something else I'll just drink some hot tea.
Omegasquash
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I MUCH prefer water/seltzer over soda these days. When I was borderline obese and making some pretty drastic changes to my diet, both quality and calorie-wise, the stuff was a godsend. Still is, sometimes, but black cherry seltzer is the go-to. More crisp, you know?
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