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Only part of The Innkeepers I liked is when they made fun of Lena Dunham. House of the Devil is much more quality. I'm really not into haunted house or ghost horror all that much but I seriously can't even recommend it.

Yeah it's not a horror film that would be likely to make my recommendations list, but I didn't hate it.
 

big ander

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Yeah, it was pretty awesome haha. And I feel like there's still an inexhaustible supply of great movies for me to watch.



I enjoyed The Innkeepers pretty well, but it had a lot less of the tension building and chilling atmosphere I liked about House of the Devil, and the ending wasn't nearly as good. Why did you like it more?

I think it does build tension extremely well (better than HOTD), it's more thematically robust with its focus on the risk of idling through life, Luke and Claire's relationship is warm and adds comedy HOTD lacked, final shot is awesome (took me like 3 viewings to actually see it!). Basically I see HOTD as a very good homage to/revival of a vein of 80s horror, while The Innkeepers stands as a singularly great ghost story that's both classically simple and smartly modern. I recommend it all the time actually, and because I had the blu I got a ton of family members to watch it and they've all loved it too.
 
I think it does build tension extremely well (better than HOTD), it's more thematically robust with its focus on the risk of idling through life, Luke and Claire's relationship is warm and adds comedy HOTD lacked, final shot is awesome (took me like 3 viewings to actually see it!). Basically I see HOTD as a very good homage to/revival of a vein of 80s horror, while The Innkeepers stands as a singularly great ghost story that's both classically simple and smartly modern. I recommend it all the time actually, and because I had the blu I got a ton of family members to watch it and they've all loved it too.

Hmmm maybe I'll give them both a rewatch in October and see if I feel differently
 

Razorback

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Just finished watching this. Someone recommended it here saying it was similar to Blade Runner
(I don't really see the similarities)
so I looked up the trailer and saw about 30 seconds of it but then I had to pause and do something else. When I got back I thought what I had seen was interesting enough so I decided to watch the movie without seeing the rest of the trailer.

I was really not prepared for that midway twist. I have to say, going in blind into this is really something. I can imagine how it could turn people off not being prepared for that sudden shift. But I loved it.

It reminded me of one of those surreal movies that are really creative and visually bizarre. But usually I have no clue what the fuck is going on so I end up not really being invested in the story. Paprika comes to mind. The Congress is kind of like that except I never felt lost at any moment.
 

Timeaisis

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Top 5 new watches of August

1. Annie Hall
2. The End of the Tour
3. The Man from UNCLE
4. Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation
5. Spring

Didn't watch as much as I had wanted...bleh.
 

Akahige

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Just finished watching this. Someone recommended it here saying it was similar to Blade Runner
(I don't really see the similarities)
so I looked up the trailer and saw about 30 seconds of it but then I had to pause and do something else. When I got back I thought what I had seen was interesting enough so I decided to watch the movie without seeing the rest of the trailer.

I was really not prepared for that midway twist. I have to say, going in blind into this is really something. I can imagine how it could turn people off not being prepared for that sudden shift. But I loved it.

It reminded me of one of those surreal movies that are really creative and visually bizarre. But usually I have no clue what the fuck is going on so I end up not really being invested in the story. Paprika comes to mind. The Congress is kind of like that except I never felt lost at any moment.
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big ander

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You have to host your own images.

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Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
As long as it didnt had some porno after it its as good as the original eheh . Did he also printed the cover ?

yeah, it's very obviously a printed cover, lol, but I didn't know any better back in the day

one thing I appreciate about it is the lighting and sound, though, kinda adds to the atmosphere, although its been decades since I saw it
 

Akahige

Member
The Act of Killing (2012) - Jesus christ! This movie is draining, I had to take a nap after watching it. It's crazy that movie like this even got made, I'm very glad it was, but it took some major balls. Shocking to see so much nonchalance about everything,
the man who walks down the steps of the plane wearing a tshirt with the word "apathetic" on it clearly was, for a brief period of time he seemed to be making some semblance of sense when they were speaking by the fishing spot, though I certainly thought the people who committed this genocide not the government should apologize
. I watched the directors cut (Or was it the just original cut) which definitely cut the pacing right down to a slow grind a lot of the time, which I find to be a weak point of the movie and a strong point, the slower time did I help me view these men in a more complete way and let me look past their composed & charming outlook.
Anwar's torture re enactment & emotional moment while watching it maybe wouldn't have all the same impact without the lengthy run time.

The Look of Silence doesn't seem to be getting the same about of buzz as it's previous film has & hasn't released yet on blu-ray in the US, hopefully I don't have to wait too long to view it.

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Okay I figured it was something like that, it's not showing up anymore anyways.
 
The Look of Silence is still one of most critically-acclaimed films of the year, but A) it covers ground tread in the incredible "The Act of Killing" so the shock of this new atrocity isn't there and B) its more...conventional? The Act of Killing had a very unique structure where Oppenheimer and the camera were able to vanish, and the killers basically indicted themselves. It had the movie-within-a-movie elements, and it gave us view inside of these monsters' heads. The Look of Silence focuses on the survivors, one family of survivors. Its more intimate, focused, not just in the runtime(103 minutes compared to the various 122 to 155 the last one had), but in its ambitions.

But don't take as a slight, because its still one of the best films of the year, and its just as powerful, important, and soul-crushing. Hell, maybe even MORE soul-crushing without the fancy ironic structure, because now everything is so direct. Shit hits you right in the pit of ya gut. But it comes from a place of real humanist empathy.
 

Borgnine

MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
Heaven Knows What is really the only thing new worth mentioning I saw last month. A testament to the filmaking that I was so captivated by such complete pieces of shit. l mean I seriously hated everyone in this thing. Great movie.
 
The Congress is dead to me after a friend told me it makes a crack about antidepressants or similar forms of medication. This friend wouldn't just make this shit up, either.
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
due to Tom Hooper directing that new Redmayne and to avoid another night of sneak peeking the televangelist channel with that decrepit Swagger guy blinding me with his shiny teeth I popped The Damned United which was such a pleasure to revisit. Definitely my most beloved sports movie and one hella one in its own right
 

big ander

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The Look of Silence is still one of most critically-acclaimed films of the year, but A) it covers ground tread in the incredible "The Act of Killing" so the shock of this new atrocity isn't there and B) its more...conventional? The Act of Killing had a very unique structure where Oppenheimer and the camera were able to vanish, and the killers basically indicted themselves. It had the movie-within-a-movie elements, and it gave us view inside of these monsters' heads. The Look of Silence focuses on the survivors, one family of survivors. Its more intimate, focused, not just in the runtime(103 minutes compared to the various 122 to 155 the last one had), but in its ambitions.

But don't take as a slight, because its still one of the best films of the year, and its just as powerful, important, and soul-crushing. Hell, maybe even MORE soul-crushing without the fancy ironic structure, because now everything is so direct. Shit hits you right in the pit of ya gut. But it comes from a place of real humanist empathy.
I've been trying to suss out which I think is better, and will probably end up rewatching The Act of Killing—but the main conclusion I keep coming to is that they simply work best as a pair. Silence is more traditional in both form and the way our empathy is structured; it's easy to get behind Adi because of the shit to which his family's been subjected. As intelligently as it's been dismissed as morally corrupt, however, I continue to find The Act of Killing's reflexivity and focus on the murderers groundbreaking. Anwar slowly coming to a very human realization and years of repressed pain bursting the floodgates is just as heartbreaking to me as
Adi forgiving that one killer's daughter.
That the pair of films plea for empathy for both the victims and, in a way, the perpetrators is unprecedented
Heaven Knows What is really the only thing new worth mentioning I saw last month. A testament to the filmaking that I was so captivated by such complete pieces of shit. l mean I seriously hated everyone in this thing. Great movie.
I mean yeah but everyone's a piece of shit, not just homeless teenage junkies. at least they have a disease and social circumstances making them shitty!
The Congress is dead to me after a friend told me it makes a crack about antidepressants or similar forms of medication. This friend wouldn't just make this shit up, either.
Haven't seen it either and I doubt your friend like, made it up (would be a weird thing to fabricate hah). I'm also mostly pro-medication, and yet: don't anti-medication statements still have a place? people who suffer from mental illness are often the ones making those statements, so it's not as if they're speaking without experience. Recent arts person who springs to mind is the guy behind rock band Titus Andronicus, he's spoken on not believing in the efficacy of antidepressants—because he's been taking them for a decade. I dunno, I think talking about treating mental illness needs to allow for these differing viewpoints
 
That's true but the way he described it, it didn't sound like it was approaching the subject from a meaningful place at all. I asked him about it again as I couldn't remember the specifics. This was the quote from the movie.

"Nothing has really changed, actually. Before we masked the truth with anti-depressants, drugs that concealed, lying. Now, we are reinventing the truth. This is not so different. The drugs were just a lot better."

I'm fine with discussing the merit of medication, and meaningful dialogue about it, but that's not this. In fact, it's sort of the plot of the whole movie. That taking anti-depressants is no different from living in an animated fantasy world. That's kind of shitty.
 

Moppeh

Banned
Just finished Le Samourai. After having mixed feelings about Alphaville, I thought I'd see another French film tonight. I really liked it! Well crafted, great music, and a plot that kept me interested. It's my first Melville film and I'll definitely check out more in the future.

Edit: Just watched Antoine et Colette. It was a nice short and I can't wait to watch the rest of the Antoine Doinel movies. It will be interesting to see how my reception of The 400 Blows changes after seeing the others (for the record, I like the 400 Blows but I don't love it nearly as much as Hiroshima, Mon Amour or Breathless).
 

firen

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The Gift - impossibly solid, nothing great
Mission Impossible - A gift to the senses
Straight Outta Compton - Dope
Dope - Straight goodness
 
I don't go to movies very often, but I did go see more in the past month than I have in the year.

Ant-Man
Not a big fan of the MCU, but I enjoyed this one. Really felt Edgar Wright come out of the script even though he left the project. I'd rewatch it in a heartbeat.
Straight Outta Compton
A solid biopic that really blew me away with its' casting and overall feel. PO'd the Blu-Ray for that extended cut.
Terminator: Genisys
I can't believe they made another one. It was meh. Action was OK, CG was passable except for one exception, and the story was decent. Nothing to really write about.
Sinister 2
The good thing is I didn't have to pay for my own ticket.
 

Razorback

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*edit* okay it's showing up now, weird.

What happens is when images are sourced straight from imdb like that they show up as broken until you c/p the url and go to it directly--so after you went to the image and rehosted you could see the original, but to most people it'll still be showing up as broken

Sorry, didn't know that. I've changed to imgur.
 

Razorback

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"Nothing has really changed, actually. Before we masked the truth with anti-depressants, drugs that concealed, lying. Now, we are reinventing the truth. This is not so different. The drugs were just a lot better."

I'm fine with discussing the merit of medication, and meaningful dialogue about it, but that's not this. In fact, it's sort of the plot of the whole movie. That taking anti-depressants is no different from living in an animated fantasy world. That's kind of shitty.

I'm not sure of the intent of the creators, I'll have to research that, but my impression from watching it is that it's not that black and white. That line comes from a character that
refused to take the drugs, and he actually doubts if that was the right choice.
And the main character ends up *ending spoilers*
going back to the drug world in the end.

That's only about the last third of the movie. It also deals a lot with automation in the film industry. I would say the movie does have a bit of a techno-phobic slant to it. But one scene in particular focuses the blame more on the way humanity chose to use the technology rather than the tech itself.
The main character in the future criticises everyone for having put all their efforts in developing these hedonistic drugs rather than also trying fix real medical conditions.
 

Moppeh

Banned
I ended up finishing my night of French film with Le Mepris. It was my second viewing of it, and my God, I forgot how great this film was. Everything about it is so well done, especially the staging and the music. Theme de Camille may be my favorite film composition of all time.

I might even like this better than Breathless. I'll have to revisit Breathless tomorrow and see which one I prefer.
 
I've been trying to suss out which I think is better, and will probably end up rewatching The Act of Killing—but the main conclusion I keep coming to is that they simply work best as a pair. Silence is more traditional in both form and the way our empathy is structured; it's easy to get behind Adi because of the shit to which his family's been subjected. As intelligently as it's been dismissed as morally corrupt, however, I continue to find The Act of Killing's reflexivity and focus on the murderers groundbreaking. Anwar slowly coming to a very human realization and years of repressed pain bursting the floodgates is just as heartbreaking to me as
Adi forgiving that one killer's daughter.
That the pair of films plea for empathy for both the victims and, in a way, the perpetrators is unprecedented

There really are two halves of the same story, its not really about which one is better to me, either. They're both 10/10, incredible and vital films.
 
I watched Inherent Vice recently and boy howdy do Pynchon books not make for very compelling films.
I feel Inherent Vice is the type of film that requires 2 viewings. I really liked it but it can be extremely confusing on a first watch since they reference characters in dialog that the audience has no idea who they are. It's also easier to enjoy since you're not trying to figure out what the hell is happening every 5 seconds which allowed me to catch the more humorous moments that I missed on my first watch.
 
Just finished Le Samourai. After having mixed feelings about Alphaville, I thought I'd see another French film tonight. I really liked it! Well crafted, great music, and a plot that kept me interested. It's my first Melville film and I'll definitely check out more in the future.

Le cercle rouge . Impassive faces never had so much expression. It's the best Melville (and the best crime-related movie ever made).
 

Moppeh

Banned
Le cercle rouge . Impassive faces never had so much expression. It's the best Melville (and the best crime-related movie ever made).

Thanks for the recommendation. :D

It looks like the Criterion DVD is out of print, but I'll look around and see if I can find it elsewhere.
 
Seeing the links to ICheckMovies profiles, I decided to check it out...and found I have a profile there I had forgotten about for several years. https://www.icheckmovies.com/profiles/rhomega/ I notice they're missing a lot of Disney movies.

Anyway, Zathura. I loved Jumanji, I love outer space. Put them together, and you have a pretty good movie brought down by annoying kids, even though being annoying is the point in that they need to "grow up all at once".
 
August five (first times):
1. The Lives of Others.
2. Mother.
3. Frank.
4. O Brother, Where Art Thou?
5. Blue Jasmine.

Best rewatches: Memories of Murder and Burn After Reading. Oh, and Captain Phillips. Pretty incredible month for me, all told.

I really need to start keeping track of what I'm watching, struggled to remember some of the early August stuff. Only saw Mission Impossible in theaters last month, a really forgettable film. Rebecca Ferguson was good, though.
 

Blader

Member
Hearts and Minds
Holy shit. Goddamnit. One of the best docs I've ever seen, hands down. As powerful and unfortunately true today as it was 40 years ago.
 

Akahige

Member
The Zero Theorem (2013) - Kinda a big mess. Christoph Waltz seemed completely wrong for the role, chews on the scenery the entire movie outside one monologue where he was on point, Matt Damon was clearly just there as a favor to the director, and Mélanie Thierry's characterization was none existent, as was any sort of believable romantic connection between her's and Waltz's characters. Visually it was not what I've come to expect from Gilliam, seems like he couldn't work with in the parameters of a small budget and do what he wanted. I heard bad things so at least my overall expectations weren't crushed.

Holy Motors (2012) - Now this a cerebral mind fuck I can get behind, I figured up to this point that Cosmopolis would be the strangest film I would see involving a man being driven around in a limousine. Leos Carax constructed a unique film experience in a very funny & involving way, and Denis Lavant gives a moving performance even in the crudest of moments. It's not a perfect film but it is one I'd like to see again.
 
speaking of Matt Damon, I rewatched Titan AE (2000; Damon voices the main character) and while I actually like the story, the combination of regular drawn animation with cgi did not age very well. Not so much because it's no longer convincing (it is 2000's cgi, it's what you expect for that age), but because the animation and cg now seem much further apart in terms of visuals than they were then. It's very jarring to watch now, despite being 'fine' when it came out. Without cg, the ice reflection scene would have been practically impossible to pull off though. Asking yourself whether the movie the would improve by using cg for the whole thing is an interesting thought experiment, since much of the characterization is in the regular animation.

New entry is THX 1138 (1971 [2004, 'dc' ] ). Kind of a weird movie to sit through. It becomes a bit of a slog because it has to (or at least feels the need to) repeat images to make sure the viewer has the narrative, and George Lucas as a director chooses his frames a bit too closer than close enough and further than far enough, if you know what I mean. The result could be argued as being intentional to demonstrate lack of proper psychological frames, that is: what we would consider the normal framing for people in relatively normal conditions. Or that's what I choose to believe anyway, considering the dehumanization theme of this movie.
The one thing that does become a little annoying is the fact that almost all speech is gibberish jargon language, as if they're just making random combinations that seem relevant but really are just nonsense. Also, there was a single line that had a similar confusion of distance with time ("parsec") as happened in Star Wars. And it wouldn't be a George Lucas movie if there wasn't CGI added in a re-release, which is often jarring.
Also, reading the making off notes is a little 'yikes'. One stunt looks like it should be a dummy, but it isn't. Older movies and safety: the fuck is safety?
Edit: I should add that it is a good movie, even if my writing doesn't seem to say that. In terms of the 'too close' framing I almost felt at times that this movie could have been an influence on Ridley Scott's Alien (1979) roughly half a decade later. Interestingly, a re-release was made in 1977, which would have been just in time for such a hypothetical influence.
 

-Stranger-

Junior Member
Top 5 (first watches) of August

1. The Tale of Princess Kaguya
2. Vertigo
3. It Follows
4. Goodnight Mommy
5. One Point O

That's actually about all i watched sadly.
 
An Enemy of the People

Would have been nice to see Steve McQueen take on more dramatic roles had he not died a few years after this movie was made. He was very good in the movie. A part of me wishes they showed the townspeople dying from the poisoned water, just to show it's always a good idea to believe what Steve McQueen says

The Lord of the Rings (1978)

Impressive use of both animation and visuals, but it just wasn't for me. Some of the characters looked off (Sam looked dopey as hell; the elves didn't even look like elves since they never showed the ears; Gimli didn't look like a dwarf at times). Gollum was alright, apart from walking upright most of the time. Most of them kept calling Saruman "Aruman". And did it really take Gandalf 17 years to come back to the Shire to send Frodo on his quest after really the truth about the ring?
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
I really like that movie.
Probably my favorite depiction of a dream-like story, along with Mirror and Picnic at Hanging Rock.

agree completely, the atmosphere was sublime, and also, the fact it was a interminable, 90 minutes long single take makes it such an incredible cinematic achievement that has to be watched . I don't even know if Sokurov used digital tricks, can't even begin to imagine what gigantic pain in the ass must have been to set up the whole thing
 

Akahige

Member
Four Lions (2010) - Very dark and funny satire, surprisingly the characters are somehow like able, the cast brought a lot of warmth to their roles.
 

Borgnine

MBA in pussy licensing and rights management
Hearts and Minds
Holy shit. Goddamnit. One of the best docs I've ever seen, hands down. As powerful and unfortunately true today as it was 40 years ago.

That dad talking about how proud he was that his son died for the executive, judicial, and legislative branches. That's stuck with me for years.
 

Woorloog

Banned
I am not a film person really. Films rarely have deep worldbuilding and other things i seek from fiction, or at least they cannot show it, and they do not offer interactivity video games offer, and do not usually require as much thinking (and imagination) as reading. Watching films is kind of passive activity, too much so (also lack of lights in film theaters makes me sleepy).
Still, i've been watching more films than usual lately/this year, i've nearly stopped gaming and i've been reading a single book series, so i've wanted something to fill the time.
This list spans more than this month, on the account of never noticing this thread type before, and because i rarely watch films. Not in any particular order.


I made a thread about Dune a month ago or so. Thoughts there.


Sometime ago i watched the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy again. How i love it! No doubt some call it bloated, nonsensical mess with too much focus on romance. I cannot say for sure what it is in it that i love so much but all in all, it is such a crazy adventure i cannot help but like it. And i have to confess i like the kind of melodramatic romance PotC has, arguably a big reason why i like the series (minus the fourth film, which is terrible).
And the soundtrack is superb.


Stardust. I can't recall what prompted me to watch it but i liked it quite a bit. Romantic fairy-tale comedy... not a thing i expected i'd like. It is... i don't know, light-hearthed? Probably rather cliche but perhaps that is what makes it work.
Need the read the book, which i understand is a bit different.


My brother suggested we'd watch Interstellar as neither of us had seen it. Despite being a fan of scifi, i hadn't watched it as something about its trailers irked me.
And so did the full film. It had some good stuff, i guess, visually it was pretty nice if not particularly special. But the plot and events... ugh. No thanks.
It felt like Nolan tried to make a 21st century 2001: A Space Odyssey but the end result sure isn't even close.


The Princess Bride. Some comparison between Stardust and The Princess Bride lead me to watch it next. I've been seeing references to the film for years, mostly via TV Tropes and Darths&Droids. It was good to finally watch it.
It was great fun. My brother seemed to like it as well. We noted that it seemed to have kind of low production values at times (like obviously fake rocks), seems this was an effect of the lowish budget but this didn't detract from the experience. Indeed, it may have even made it kind of better, "this thing isn't taking itself too seriously".
Very much recommended if you've never seen it.


Taking a break from fairy tales, me and my brother watched The Hunt for Red October. My brother noted we've seen it before, if not from the beginning though i do not recall it at all.
Not bad i guess? But ultimately not a film i liked. Kind of non-visual... pretty much all scenes are within submarines, so everything is kind of limited visually. In a way, this reminds me off 2001: A Space Odyssey... Not sure this is a positive though.
Sean Connery looked very good as a captain but man, his accent didn't fit a Russian at all.


I remember i liked Titan A.E. when i saw it... i don't know, a decade ago? Didn't withstand a re-watch. It isn't a bad film but... it feels dated and feels kind of mediocre ultimately. It lacks something that elevates it, something that somehow makes it special.
It does have certain tropes (like humankind being a remnant) i like in scifi in general, and it reminds me of some books and things.


I have a confession. I've never seen many Disney films, even things people see as classics like The Lion King, and those that i've seen, i've been young enough i do not remember them anymore.
I've figure i should watch them eventually, and i've kind of started. In January i watched Frozen and i liked it quite a bit. Re-watched it yesterday, and it is one of those films that i can watch again without issues (unlike, say, The Dark Knight, which i liked the first time i saw it, but didn't like it the second time i saw it). Difficult to say why i like it, it just kind of works.
And Olaf's non-sequiturs and antics are fun.

Also watched Tangled. Very nice. Don't like it as much as Frozen but it is the kind of light-hearted fun i do like. It did feel perhaps a bit too cliche, or stereotypical... That isn't always a strength. But that didn't hurt it so much it would bother me.

Probably should watch some older Disney film next, like The Lion King. Any particular ones that stand-out that people would recommend?


What else... Can't recall if there's something else i've watched recently.

I've still got some 20+ films in my "to watch" list, and it is likely to grow faster than i can watch them.
Just not sure what to watch next. Since i watched Frozen yesterday, it should be action or something else non-animation next.
 

big ander

Member
Welcome to the movies thread...person who doesn't like movies haha

I'd say The Hunt for Red October is intensely visual. John McTiernan is a preeminent visual storyteller and so much of the story is told through shot scale and camera movement. because the setting is confined to a submarine doesn't mean the visuals are automatically uninteresting, shots are more than their subjects
Was the link to 2001 just the sense of confinement from 2001's space travel segment? I find them very different in tone, dialogue, performance and cinematography. Also yep connery's accent is hilarious

Are you missing most of the Disney animated films? Lion King's great but I'd recommend going way back to Pinocchio. Of their films since the turn of the millennium I'll also throw in a rec for Lilo & Stitch; maybe my fondness for it is merely nostalgia but it's an outlier among Disney for focusing on POC and not being about romance at all really. Also Mulan

EDIT: What swoon said too. I'd also want to add that movie-watching is factually not a passive activity--as in, psychologists and neurologists have done peer-approved studies on the activity of the mind while watching movies.
 

swoon

Member
maybe watch something more purely filmic like m , last year in marienbad or man with a movie camera and see what you think
 
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