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Only All Might until recently because he didn't want to expose his injury.
Frozenprince
Banned
I'm reading the chapter right now.
Yo.
Did Twice just fucking shame overhaul for misgendering Magne? IS THAT A THING THAT LEGIT HAPPENED? IN A MANGA?
Fucking hell this may be my new all time series if the writing stays like this.
Yo.
Did Twice just fucking shame overhaul for misgendering Magne? IS THAT A THING THAT LEGIT HAPPENED? IN A MANGA?
Fucking hell this may be my new all time series if the writing stays like this.
NHarmonic.
Member
We really need a LGBTQ+ couple and this shonen could become groundbreaking. Props to Horikoshi for going for diversity in the cast, and in a tasteful way.
The preceding debate had me kinda on the fence. As far as an advocate of human rights, I feel most confident in how I know my shit around feminism (which isn't to say I have a formal education on it's history, but I've studied a gender discrimination in culture), second most confident in racial relations (studied some black history), and that's basically it.
When it comes to transgender issues (and LGBTQ in general), I freely admit that I'm far less educated. It's not a neglect thing so much as I can only take so much actual, present day human suffering at a time, and I decided to focus on the first two issues more because I know several women and several black people. I have only one gay friend and no transexual friends that I know of (though I've met a few and they were pretty nice. One group once helped me out and gave me a clutch car ride to a train I was about to miss). So you can say I relatively "specialize" (and I want you to imagine those quotes as ten times the size they are because neogaf won't let me change fonts) in sexism and racism, but I'm an advocate of humanism in general and think people should be allowed to be who they are and treated with compassion and empathy.
Anyway, as far as representation goes, I notice that change is always made in increments rather than full blown positive representation right out of the gate. I remember in an english lit class I had way back when that we were discussing one of the first examples of a positively depicted jew in that time period. Every other jewish character was depicted as a low life villain. This dude was, however, also serventile, humble to the point of pitiful and just kind of depicted as a benign but lesser type of person.
I remember a similar sort of argument about the feminism of Lara Croft. Like, yeah, she was definitely a sex symbol whose appeal was that she had huge titties...but being the first major female game protagonist opened doors for other female led game protagonists, to the point where now Lara Croft has been reworked to not be sexually objectified, and we're getting more and more female protagonists as we go on. It's not enough, sure, but it's progress.
I think Flowers totally has a point in that killing your LGBTQ character carry's it's own baggage and problems. Totally. But at the same time, how many Trans characters do we get? How many trans characters do we get who are defended for being trans?
So my answer is that the depiction is both good and bad. There are improvements to be made for sure, but an imperfect representation is better than no representation at all.
When it comes to transgender issues (and LGBTQ in general), I freely admit that I'm far less educated. It's not a neglect thing so much as I can only take so much actual, present day human suffering at a time, and I decided to focus on the first two issues more because I know several women and several black people. I have only one gay friend and no transexual friends that I know of (though I've met a few and they were pretty nice. One group once helped me out and gave me a clutch car ride to a train I was about to miss). So you can say I relatively "specialize" (and I want you to imagine those quotes as ten times the size they are because neogaf won't let me change fonts) in sexism and racism, but I'm an advocate of humanism in general and think people should be allowed to be who they are and treated with compassion and empathy.
Anyway, as far as representation goes, I notice that change is always made in increments rather than full blown positive representation right out of the gate. I remember in an english lit class I had way back when that we were discussing one of the first examples of a positively depicted jew in that time period. Every other jewish character was depicted as a low life villain. This dude was, however, also serventile, humble to the point of pitiful and just kind of depicted as a benign but lesser type of person.
I remember a similar sort of argument about the feminism of Lara Croft. Like, yeah, she was definitely a sex symbol whose appeal was that she had huge titties...but being the first major female game protagonist opened doors for other female led game protagonists, to the point where now Lara Croft has been reworked to not be sexually objectified, and we're getting more and more female protagonists as we go on. It's not enough, sure, but it's progress.
I think Flowers totally has a point in that killing your LGBTQ character carry's it's own baggage and problems. Totally. But at the same time, how many Trans characters do we get? How many trans characters do we get who are defended for being trans?
So my answer is that the depiction is both good and bad. There are improvements to be made for sure, but an imperfect representation is better than no representation at all.
What's today's episode again
The introduction of All for one.
He was name-dropped two weeks ago, but today is when we actually get to see him!
Crimsonlink
Member
Forget that. The real treat is going to see everyones reaction to Deku's Full Cowl. Salty Bakugo is gonna be great.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Huh, yeah, that's a point, especially since Twice has been treated as one of the more sympathetic elements of the Villain League. So the act of misgendering someone is, even among villains, treated as wrong. Just kinda got glossed over since the previous discussion focused on how the series had used Magne herself.
Also something I realise: The translations seem to differ slightly on how exactly Toga's powers work with regards to clothes. From what I can tell it seems like if she doesn't strip down first she'll absorb whatever she's currently wearing as part of her transformation (including reverting to her base self), but she can subsequently make new clothes as part of her change into someone else.
Newtype-001
Member
Cant wait for all the anime watchers to be Jebaited after the flags
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Dedication Through Light
Member
Was not expecting kaninari hate first thing in the morning, ugh.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Not ongoing. 26 or so.
Bounceounce
Member
As far as I can see Shigaraki is still not remotely a thing on most anime-watchers radars.
Mineta is more worthy of discussion
Poodlestrike
Banned
He's only just now starting to be a thing on my radar. Seeing how Toga and Twice are responding to his leadership says way more interesting things about the character than anything he's done himself so far.
There isn't much to say about Hand Job.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
He's fun and got some great character development, but the problem is we always go straight to the moment of his development instead of being on the road for a bit listening to him bitch about All Might or taxes or something. To add context, the next big moments for him are almost kill allies to Black Mist saying how much he's grown with a tear in his eye. Seriously, that extra gag chapter with the VA is great and i wish we got more of it in the main story.
Dedication Through Light
Member
ugh i hate this so much right now and in the fandom and week after week, cant people just ignore him if they dislike him so much? Its not like he has more than 1minute of screentime if that.
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Is this the darkest timeline because I completely I agree with you
I would rather discuss anything else but grape dude for the billionth time
Its hard to ignore the horny baby
Bounceounce
Member
I'm biased as a Shigaraki stan (though I do have one issue with his character), but when you look back at old manga discussions he was a fixture of discussion in and of himself and in relation to Deku ever since the end of the invasion, meanwhile if you look at the anime thread in Reddit for this episode he's only mentioned twice, and that twice is in one unnoticed comment.
I just would have expected more, even the reactioners on YouTube don't mention him at all, have only seen one person broach potential parallels between the two.
Same for written reviews as well.
Edit:
I can't imagine his confrontation with Deku in the last episode of this season being a big thing for them at this rate, that might sr8pp be my favorite chapter in the series especially considering how much I was carrying Shiggys flag prior to that scene
Dude's kind of one note and doesn't stand out a lot from the other villains who have flashier powers and more personality to them even if given less screen time. He's involved in so many big moments but doesn't really do all that much during those events.
So she's the Hisoka?
RedHoodedOwl
Member
So, she is basically Herbert from Family Guy?
From Day 1, I'm like "So this is AfO's protege huh..."
I didn't like Shigaraki at first, and he still isn't myon of my favourites, but I like that he is basically evil Deku.
I usually don't like evil versionof characters because you don't see they becoming like that, but with Shigaraki and Deku you can clearly see they growing. Chapter 69 is great because of this.
Talking about chapter 69, I love these chapters where it doesn't seem very good at the first read, but suddenly become pivotal and much more interesting on a second read. It reminds me of One Piece and the other chapter tha gave me the same feeling is the chapter we see twice origin.
I usually don't like evil versionof characters because you don't see they becoming like that, but with Shigaraki and Deku you can clearly see they growing. Chapter 69 is great because of this.
Talking about chapter 69, I love these chapters where it doesn't seem very good at the first read, but suddenly become pivotal and much more interesting on a second read. It reminds me of One Piece and the other chapter tha gave me the same feeling is the chapter we see twice origin.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
I would say they haven't really been properly explored in the manga tbh. The big moment (which really is a great moment) is him rejecting All Might at the Bakugo rescue arc, its a moment where characters are praising him for his growth, and the biggest issue is we just don't spend time with him. Not enough to make the parallel stories the manga is trying to create work. Which sucks cause I think Shigaraki is a legit interesting character and I appreciate what the author is trying to do, its just not working.
I'll admit it feels like he's basically a mash up of different gimmicks and ideas and called a leading villain. Lots of detached hands all over his body. Makes a lot of videogame, analogies to stuff going on, and so on. He's not terrible or anything but just feels a bit undercooked.
FlowersisBritish
fleurs n'est pas britannique
When you write him out (He views encounters in terms of videogame desing, covered in trophies of his kills, pretty shit at his job but that's the point) he sounds pretty great but we haven't seen him do dumb videogame stuff in what feels like forever, or kill someone important, or even do a particularly undercooked plan (except maybe his initial encounter with Overhaul).
Telling you guys, they should toss out Vigilantes into the mediocre bin and start regularly publishing the 4koma adventures of the VA alliance.
I disagree. I have seen a lot of more people liking shiggy lately, and he had more development than Deku in this arc imo.
NHarmonic.
Member
I like what Horikoshi is trying to do with Shigaraki, and i understand he's kind of stretching out his development considering this is supposed to be a long story. Still wish the character was written in a stronger way too, if he's supposed to be such an important figure. Death note had 2 leads (until halfway, though) that were really strong, so i wish this was more like that.
Dedication Through Light
Member
But DN had a smaller and focused story and cast and also felt planned for its length, hoirkoshi is probably not yet determined how long he wants this to go and his end goal (midoriya no 1 hero) is so vague and for off by keeping the story in 1st year of high school incorporating so many random school type things, heavy shigaraki development, would to me, suggest he may not be the true big bad of the story.
JonnyDBrit
Member
New chapter of Vigilantes is out, might as well have been called 'Stain: The Origin'
EmCeeGramr
Member
Honestly, I feel like Illegals is a letdown.
It suffers way too much from prequel syndrome: important things for the world can't happen because otherwise it'd mess up the main story, tons of main story characters all show up coincidentally and have their traits exaggerated.
Not to mention that the main trio are all... Koichi is a wet noodle nerd who comes across as even more of a loser than Izuku ever was, Pop Step is just fanservice who always needs help and wears revealing clothes and is a nerdy glasses girl AND has a secret tsundere crush on the wet noodle protagonist, Knuckleduster is fairly badass but his whole "Quirkless dude who is so good at regular punching he can beat Stain" borders on OC territory.
It suffers way too much from prequel syndrome: important things for the world can't happen because otherwise it'd mess up the main story, tons of main story characters all show up coincidentally and have their traits exaggerated.
Not to mention that the main trio are all... Koichi is a wet noodle nerd who comes across as even more of a loser than Izuku ever was, Pop Step is just fanservice who always needs help and wears revealing clothes and is a nerdy glasses girl AND has a secret tsundere crush on the wet noodle protagonist, Knuckleduster is fairly badass but his whole "Quirkless dude who is so good at regular punching he can beat Stain" borders on OC territory.
Don't forget able to go for toe to toe with Aizawa
To be fair they established he's not hero killer level yet but I love how he cheated.
I don't Stain enlightenment he went from killing villains getting punched and losing his nose to suddenly deciding wait a minute I should kill fake heroes
To be fair they established he's not hero killer level yet but I love how he cheated.
I don't Stain enlightenment he went from killing villains getting punched and losing his nose to suddenly deciding wait a minute I should kill fake heroes
Dedication Through Light
Member
149! halfway to 200, go Horikoshi and assistants, go!
Surprised one small line in the chapter caused such intense discussion last week here, didnt know Magne had fans. Oh well, RIP.
I just want more chapters on Shigaraki Tomura's folks, Toga and Twice are great.
Good chapter.
Surprised one small line in the chapter caused such intense discussion last week here, didnt know Magne had fans. Oh well, RIP.
I just want more chapters on Shigaraki Tomura's folks, Toga and Twice are great.
Good chapter.
I mean he was even if he had a point but his transition is Shit
Like it would have been better if the vigilant performed better than a pprofessional hero or a hero was being a dick. Something like that
But here her just got punched heard knuckles talk for a bit and decided heroes need to die. It's such an abrupt end
I'm guessing the mangaka gets some rough outlines from Horikoshi and fills in the blanks himself, and he just isn't good enough.
JonnyDBrit
Member
In that regard, I think keeping Koichi in the dark for longer as to Stain's true nature may have helped. In particular, maybe allowing him and Stain to strike up more of an actual camaraderie or friendship, though I realise that sounds like it's leaning even harder into being canon fanfiction.
In such a proposed alternative though, it wouldn't be the thing we have now where the side cast, in a weird and twisted way, shaped Stain's ideology through a punching match, but instead explored it over a more prolonged exposure. There's an easy point of discussion that could enable that, and double as foreshadowing: Ingenium. Koichi thinks highly of them as a hero but well, knows they don't approve of vigilantes; it would be easy to have Stain break down why he thinks Ingenium is one of his much loathed 'false heroes' (thus setting up why he would feel validated about his actions in the main series), and how it's up to vigilantes like him and Koichi - guys doing good for the sake of it, rather than profit or fame - to give the people a better class of hero. Then throw them up against a pro with even shittier standards than most, though still in the legal right as they reveal Stain's a murderer, and that should have been the tipping point at which a violent vigilante becomes the hero killer. Instead of some weird conclusion drawn from a breakdown of the psychology of Spider-Man, of all things.
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