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NBA Finals 2017 |OT| Same As It Ever Was
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Stabby McSter
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what else are we supposed to do until sunday
He absolutely shrunk at times in 2015, to the point that Delly became a household name briefly. Again, blanketly looking at box score numbers tells you nothing. There was literally no argument for Curry of Ai for FMVP.
Im not sure what this is even supposed to mean.
Word you're looking for is myopic (though what a bizarre use of it lmao).
But maybe you're right man. Guess that's it.
Agreed. In the playoffs that off-ball stuff just dies on the vine late in games. Like last night JR got beat on a jab step from Steph before a pindown screen and JR literally just shoved him into the front row, killing the play. The adjustment so far of more pick & roll action is great imo.
Sports really make some people insane.
I always tell myself I won't respond to crazy posts, but oh well. Work is slow today.
MiamiWesker
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Yeah screw super teams!
Unless they are in your city then it's the BEST! I miss it so much.
FallingEdge
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it means that you are a trash poster that people should be ignoring
i dont know if that is true or not, i dont know you, just explaining because you were asking
I type fast and don't usually double check. Bite me.
Cool story, bro.
I have the exact same thought. It's crazy that we arrived at this point because Kerr is so great but it's an if it ain't broke don't fix it situation. Plus I'm still haunted by Kerr's game 7 Varajo decision. lol
Stabby McSter
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he had one bad shooting game of the span of six games
but i guess that doesn't matter because box scores are dumb
I could tolerate your lot, that Mavs finals complete meltdown was a thing of a beauty; and at least you had a decent Celts, Semi-competent Pacers to compete against in the Least, and lest we forget the Wild Wild West, every playoffs in the West was a grind.Yeah screw super teams!
Unless they are in your city then it's the BEST! I miss it so much.
ryutaro's mama
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The witchhunting and shaming of anyone as "fans of <team>" that critiques these teams is a sight to behold.
However, the in-between days on these threads has always been shiet.
However, the in-between days on these threads has always been shiet.
top tier knee-jerk reaction
MegaManTrigger
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If Lebron was the real coach, you'd see arguments over Ty Lue's plays and the times he chooses to get him off the game. Like the quote below, Ty Lue is no Pat Riley but he's a decent enough coach.
That's a bit of revisionist history considering Spoelstra got crapped on in the first year of the Big Three. People acted like he was barely a coach and just so happened to be carried by Lebron, Bosh, Wade. Take the all-star crew away from him and you'll see where he really shines.
We already had three Cavs v Warriors finals in a row. It sure is knee-jerk reaction. We gonna have as many finals with only these two team competing against each other as Rocky movies by the end of it.
True Savior
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The magician Mike Brown has arrived to change this league. To play Durant and Curry, who would ever thought of that? Just a brilliant gameplan all around.
All hail Mike Brown.
All hail Mike Brown.
Spoelstra had a top defensive team with Wade and the Titos before the big three era. People shitting on him just never paid any attention. There was obviously a learning curve for him in actually dealing with the players but defensively at least, they were always gonna be special.
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Cracklox
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I see your avatar and offer you this. English Premier league, 3-4 teams dominate and won everything for 20 years. Now its may between 5 or 6. Spanish League has been about 2 teams forever. Italian League is maybe 3 or 4 clubs. German league is basically 2 (last time I checked. Bayern/Dortmund .Maybe a little different now). Dutch League: Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord for the longest time.
Point being those are other leagues, some even with similar levels of popularity around the world as the NBA, that have been dominated by 'superteams' basically for as long as the competition been running.
But then a bit off topic and apples/oranges, etc etc
So I also offer, its also been around alot longer then you would think in the NBA. The celtics teams in the 60s at the time would have been called a superteam. Likewise for Lakers and Celtics of the 80s.
Rad Shadow
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Expected results.
Dubs might sweep.
Dubs might sweep.
The only good game during last year's Finals was game 7. For whatever reason, these two teams almost always blow each other out.
Oh god yeah. The kumbaya "strength in numbers" stuff is kinda like the motion off-ball stuff. All that is a major part of why the Dubs have been so successful over the course of a long season these last three years and 90% of the time it's great, but certain situations (like against a physical Cavs team) simpler = better. When you have offensive talents like Steph and KD sometimes you just gotta dumb it down and let them cook.
BeautifulMemory
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It's been Kerr's gameplan throughout the year
Super teams have always existed, the only difference now is that it's the players deciding where the super teams are.
Lionel Richie
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There's a reason for those numbers that goes beyond sheer randomness and small sample size fluctuations: the Cavs are an atrocious defensive team and the Warriors are let's be honest here the best defense in the NBA. It's tough to turn the ball over when the other team can't guard you and the opposite is true.
Not saying those numbers will continue to be like that, but they didn't happen by chance and the Cavs need to play much better on defense if any significant change is going to happen.
Oh no doubt, I'm just thinking if there were an added incentive. Say the most KD could make with Golden State is 10 mil a season due to some cap rule where only one player can make over 10 a year, maybe he would have gone somewhere else to make twice as much.
CopperPuppy
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This post needs more love.
Cracklox
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Hey. You know what. This sums up the whole discussion pretty well.
Now is that a good/bad thing. <shrug> I unno
I'm just here cause I like basketball
This is already the case. Right now curry is getting paid fair below his value. Arguably Draymond is too, though to a lesser extent. Going forward Durant will take a pay cut as curry finally gets paid like an MVP.
Why would they avoid super teams though? There revenue, ratings etc go up with super teams. What is there incentive to change it? Like I know it sucks for alot of fans but it's great for the league .
ryutaro's mama
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Pretty sure I can find a similar post in the 2016 NBA Finals thread after Game 1.
Eh, each of those guys you mentioned make over 12+ a year and KD is making close to 30 a year. Not saying youre not right or even that my idea is feasible, but after a certain point money talks. I don't see them being able to keep that core together if KD had to take a 17 or 18 mil per year pay cut to make it happen
Khalifa Jayy
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I'm not going to read this whole thread, but people aren't serious when they say "Cavs in _," right? Warriors are only going to get better from game 1. They missed a ton of lay-ups, Klay was MIA on offense, and Steph had a pedestrian game. Whewlad.
Reptars Revenge
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Lol dude it's only game 1 and the Spurs looked pretty good against them when they were healthy. Also new players and trades always happen. You are overreacting.
That's another good point, and maybe for guys like KD and Steph the contract isnt as important, but to guys like Draymond and Klay, maybe it could be? I'm not sure. Maybe its a bad idea
PadWarrior
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Tim Kawakami @timkawakami
Cleveland could possibly put JR Smith or Shumpert on Durant, but I don't think they like the Smith match-up and Shumpert is no-offense...
10:00 AM · Jun 2, 2017
Cleveland could possibly put JR Smith or Shumpert on Durant, but I don't think they like the Smith match-up and Shumpert is no-offense...
10:00 AM · Jun 2, 2017
Khalifa Jayy
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KD already stated he'll take a pay cut to keep the core together. Those were basically literally his words...
Not to mention the Dubs can resign their own players for good money even though they are over the max. Just a luxury tax slap on the wrist, really.
I've been around the game since the bad boy Pistons, Kareem/Magic Lakers, Larry's Celts. You don't have to lecture me about the history of the league based on my avatar. Comparing NBA to European football is like comparing badminton to tennis. Your knowledge of football/soccer is very recent. Go back and read on Nottingham Forrest, Aston Villa, Everton and get back to me about your notion of super teams in Europe.
Klay looks like Harrison Barnes on offense, but he's still putting in work https://twitter.com/DrewShiller/status/870683957280481281
MugiwaraCole
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The same is true of the Cavs, though.
people forget that a person in the 90's called dennis rodman shut down a dude half a foot taller and 150 pounds bigger than him.
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Size doesn't always matter
see dennis rodman
Klay locked in all game. That's why it was annoying to see so many people say trade Klay trade Klay all game. There's more than one way to help your team than scoring points.
Cracklox
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For the record we've followed the league for around the same time
Aye and I acknowledged the apples and oranges part. And yeah I've only really followed the EPL since its inception in the early 90s and thats what I specified when I mentioned the dominance from there. And if I'm not being schooled by a European on football history then there's something wrong lol.
But in the end it was just a round about way to disagree with, what I felt was straying into hot take territory. No offense intended
Ninja Scooter
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He probably would have tried to do an exorcism on Klay.
True Savior
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Mike Brown is a very humble man.
Khalifa Jayy
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KLove had 15 pts, 21 rebounds.
LeBron had 28 pts, 15 rebounds, 8 assists.
Kyrie had 24 points of his own.
Outside of Curry and Durant, you know who the next highest scorer was?
Draymond with 9 points on 3-12 shooting.
Klay also chipped in on the offensive side with 6 points on 3/16 shooting. (To his credit, he has been playing stellar defense).
The fact that the Warriors stifled them on defense deserves more credit as well.
It's really a wrap.
BeautifulMemory
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Klay is awesome. I think what the warriors can do a little bit differently is to look for him quicker. There are instances throughout the playoffs where usually ball would swing his way in the past but not anymore. I think that kills his timing and rhythm.
While watching the game I totally agreed with you guys. They should protect the lane and stop the guaranteed dunk and let curry shoot the open 3 and hope he misses. Sure steph has a lot of gravity and all that but common, there's still a chance he's going to miss.
However, looking at it on paper it might be better to give up the dunk.
2 points 100% of the time vs 3 points 70% of the time. (This is just a rough estimate. I'm assuming steph is around 70% wide open from the corner 3. Probably more like 80% but lowered the percentage a little due to chances of errant passes, ball not being caught in rhythm etc etc)
2 x 1 = 2 points
3 x .7 = 2.1 points
Maybe the Cavs are making the right decision?
That being said, I'd still tell them to try and stop the dunk.
However, looking at it on paper it might be better to give up the dunk.
2 points 100% of the time vs 3 points 70% of the time. (This is just a rough estimate. I'm assuming steph is around 70% wide open from the corner 3. Probably more like 80% but lowered the percentage a little due to chances of errant passes, ball not being caught in rhythm etc etc)
2 x 1 = 2 points
3 x .7 = 2.1 points
Maybe the Cavs are making the right decision?
That being said, I'd still tell them to try and stop the dunk.
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