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Need for Speed Most Wanted |OT| Return to Paradise
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antiquegamer
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They are both good games but if I have to pick one of the two, I would go with Horizon.
Also it's depends on what you prefer, if you like your arcade racer to be very arcade like such as flying through the air, crashed into environment and doing take down then I would go with NFS. If you want semi-realistic racing then I would go with Horizon.
CloakedPuppet
Member
The game looks fantastic on 360. I'm glad that I can appreciate quality in games rather than focusing on worthless minutae. Can't wait to get back to it tonight!
Lazy Man's Wallpaper
Member
I agree. Reading the PC performance thread I feel like the guy from Sideways, his friend is ranting about how awful a wine is, and he goes "I dunno... tastes pretty good to me."
I might be getting salty if I had a $1500 rig or something, but way-better-than-console performance from a three year old machine that cost $600 is awesome to me.
antiquegamer
Member
No. It's more like TDU or Midnight Club LA but with much better physics (and graphics). If you like the old Need For Speed and not Criterion Burnout adaptation you probably feel more at home with Horizon.
DrAndonuts
Member
First impression of the game last night wasn't great, but it's growing on me now. The autodrive menu is taking a little getting used to.
I got the Vita version, but I may pick up a PS3 copy for cheaper down the line.
I got the Vita version, but I may pick up a PS3 copy for cheaper down the line.
Found all the cars on my own woot! 2 gates and 7 billboards to go. -_-
Huge digression:
I have never ever understood this. By driving around the city and finding streets and routes, it made you a better driver in BP. Having a restart in the game makes you not learn the streets. Without it, you mapped the entire city in your mind. This is the same complaint from the people who complain "I don't know what turn to take in a race and I lose!" Well yeah....that's because you skipped the driving around the city part just to restart a race and not find out the fastest way around because you couldn't be fussed to figure things out. You wanted it handed to you and then when you finally got it (when it wasn't needed at all) you complained because you didn't know where to turn. Criterion listened to forum gripes and made their vision of the game far worse for it. It got so bad at one point, they closed off their forum because of people griping about stupid crap like "where's the restart button!". I should know because the Criterion faithful were pissed they bowed to forum posts and eventually had to cut out communication with their fans because of the lowest common denominators. Not to mention that all of the gripes about that cut short their planned DLC for BP, which in turn hurt everyone.
I had at least 50 friends on BP and when we would start a challenge and it said "Meet Up @ Wildcats Stadium!", we would all go at least 10 different ways from all across the map and we would all get there around the same time. In fact the first game I played with a gaffer was BP and it was with TTP. I can't even count how many hours we poured into online challenges together. Usually we would both go different routes to the same objective and get their our own way, mainly because we learned the city instead of clicking a button that took us there automagically.
Note: The aforementioned "You" in the above paragraphs isn't to anyone in particular, but everyone who has that complaint.
Now onto how I view NFS: MW. These views are taken from someone who absolutely adored BP and I still think it's the best racing games in years due to it's fun factor, not it's sim factor. I'm on the PS3 by the way.
Pros:
+It's pretty. They really did a ton of work to bring more realism into this engine versus the BP "cartoony" style.
+Tons of cars (and they're licensed!).
+High speed driving and races. I really got the sense of speed in this game.
+Decent rubberband AI. When I lose it's usually about 80% my fault.
+Wide variety of locations.
+Losing cops can be extremely easy in a fast car. So much so that it almost becomes a pain rather than a real chase.
+Decent music tracklist. I'm glad Dead Sara is picking up in popularity as I love their track.
+ The sound is awesome. Crank it up! I turned on subtitles because during a cop chase it can help you. They literally tell you what they're doing. Plus with the huge sounds in the game with the music bumpin', you can barely hear the cop radio.
Cons:
-It's too pretty at times. Trying to see a spike strip when coming out of a tunnel is nearly impossible for me because they flash yellow and the glare is yellow. Blown tires aplenty. None of the billboards stand out from ones you've taken out already and the gates blend in with regular fences at times (more noticeable at night). I much preferred BP's way of making them distinct colors that made them stand out from the rest of the background. Also, the speed trap cameras don't stand out nearly enough. you basically just have to memorize where they are to beat a record of a friend or get the 200+ mph achievement/trophy.
-Licensed cars. While it can be a great thing, I much preferred BP's cars as well. They don't have to match factory styles in BP. Plus we more than likely won't get a DeLorean knockoff this time
-Controls: while the cars definitely are more weighty than in BP, it can be annoying when you're taking a corner @ 120 and barely clip a building or car and you wipe out taking you from 1st to 5th in a fraction of a second. AI cars can easily drive you into a wall or on a side street when you can barely move their car (it seems to me anyway).
-Map variety: while there are a ton of different locations, none of it stands apart from one another. Everything blends together too much. The airfield area for instance kind of looks like the mining area. In BP, this wasn't the case since you could tell exactly where you were at all times due to how each section looked distinct. If you're in the downtown area, it all looks the same and you can't tell the different neighborhoods apart. In fact, Most Wanted looks to me like a more realistically blended version of Paradise. Airfield, mining area, off-road sections near the highways, the beach area, etc. etc.
-Cops (and traffic) can be a pain in the ass. So much so that they detract from the seamless feeling I got from BP when I could cruise from one end of the map to the other by clipping cars and making turns by the scrape of my teeth. It's near impossible in this game. The crashes are at least 20% due to the fault of stupid AI cars getting in the way. In BP, they would steer out of the way most of the time.
-Music settings are limited. You can either make them play sequentially or shuffle. AFAIK there's no way to pick a specific track. Also, there are far less tracks than in BP when you count the classical music. Too much wub wub for me, but it fits with racing games for the most part I guess.
-The Autolog menus doesn't pause the gameplay. WTF??? Even when I'm scrolling through all the options for a new car or race it'll back me out automatically too because I've been idling so long. WTF man? Seriously? These fixes should seriously be in the first patch they release. Otherwise autolog is good stuff.
-I've had several glitches as I've been racing around. It actually got better the longer I played though, which doesn't make much sense. Sometimes it would hiccup right as the race began. One major problem I had was when I approach the wire bridge, the game froze suddenly as it tried to load everything past the bridge. I had about a 15 second wait while it loaded. It was the only time that happened to me last night. Also the menus takes way too long to load and restarting races or pausing isn't as quick as I expected it to be.
-Cheap Cop AI. I can't count how many times a cop car racing in front of me has dropped a spike strip on the road Inspector Gadget style and popped my tires and there's no possible way for me to react.
Overall I'm having a blast playing it, but a few little things bug me and annoy me when I'm racing around at high speeds. I haven't really tried online yet and I'll get to it eventually. So far the SP is fun, but it's hard to get a feel for the lay of the land when so much of it blends in together. I wish things stood out more from the background & aesthetics (gates, billboards, spike strips). If you're a fan of BP and waiting for BP2, play this one because it might just tickle your fancy. At least give it a rent. Too many of the events are samey and there are no stunts for this game unfortunately. It's like the lovechild of both NfS and BP. While for me it hasn't been nearly outright omgwtfbbq kind of fun as I had in BP (mostly due to the MP portion), it's still fun so far. It does seem a bit short and the repetitiveness may get to me after awhile. With just 3-4 hours played, I've already taken down half of the MW cars but I have mostly done just 1 race with each car I've found so far (about 55 or so), so there is still a lot for me to do, but I fear for the repetitiveness that may come along soon.
Overall I'm glad I bought it and it'll scratch that itch of playing a fun racer, but if you're on the fence either rent it or wait for a price drop (especially if you're looking for something more like BP). Like I said before it feels like Need for Speed and Burnout Paradise mashed together, with all of the pros and cons that brings into the equation.
Lazy Man's Wallpaper
Member
I have never ever understood this. By driving around the city and finding streets and routes, it made you a better driver in BP. Having a restart in the game makes you not learn the streets. Without it, you mapped the entire city in your mind. This is the same complaint from the people who complain "I don't know what turn to take in a race and I lose!" Well yeah....that's because you skipped the driving around the city part just to restart a race and not find out the fastest way around because you couldn't be fussed to figure things out. You wanted it handed to you and then when you finally got it (when it wasn't needed at all) you complained because you didn't know where to turn. Criterion listened to forum gripes and made their vision of the game far worse for it. It got so bad at one point, they closed off their forum because of people griping about stupid crap like "where's the restart button!". I should know because the Criterion faithful were pissed they bowed to forum posts and eventually had to cut out communication with their fans because of the lowest common denominators. Not to mention that all of the gripes about that cut short their planned DLC for BP, which in turn hurt everyone.
I had at least 50 friends on BP and when we would start a challenge and it said "Meet Up @ Wildcats Stadium!", we would all go at least 10 different ways from all across the map and we would all get there around the same time. In fact the first game I played with a gaffer was BP and it was with TTP. I can't even count how many hours we poured into online challenges together. Usually we would both go different routes to the same objective and get their our own way, mainly because we learned the city instead of clicking a button that took us there automagically.
Note: The aforementioned "You" in the above paragraphs isn't to anyone in particular, but everyone who has that complaint.
Agree 100%. People saying "I didn't know where to go!" TOTALLY miss the point of an open world racer. You're supposed to *learn* where to go. I can navigate Paradise City with my eyes closed at this point, which is 100% the reason I am excited about this game. I need a new city to learn, new billboards to smash, new gates to crash!
Same deal with the HUD being stationary. "It doesn't turn with my car!" Well, ADAPT. Learn how to use it. That said, the HUD probably should have had a setting to make it work differently; more options isn't a bad thing.
fps isn't "worthless minutae" Having a frame rate that struggles to keep 30 severely hampers it's sense of speed compared to a game like burnout paradise.
CloakedPuppet
Member
Whatevs. I found absolutly ZERO issues with the sense of speed in my 2+ hours of playing last night. I'm having a ton of fun with it. Then again, I struggle to appreciate the benefit of a glass half empty reality.
NullPointer
Member
Yes. And the more you learn the roads the more satisfying the game becomes. Paradise provided me with years of gaming joy for this very reason.
Once you know where you are and how to get anywhere you want to go at all times without using a map the game transforms into a true sandbox of awesome.
I know the older Forza games were much closer to GT than an arcade racer- is Horizon less simulation-ish and more arcadey?
As I recall, in Paradise to change cars you had to actively drive to a garage and change there. Isn't effective fast travel to that garage less bullshit than that? Did that change in one of the myriad patches?
And in MP there is fast change...which should be in SP, I admit, but BP had similar quirks as I recall.
And in MP there is fast change...which should be in SP, I admit, but BP had similar quirks as I recall.
The only time the cops are annoying is when you wanna change parts on the car or use the easydrive to pick a race otherwise they really are a non issue.
And while the game does look good. Midnight Club LA looks better, has more vehicles on the road, and pedestrians.
BruiserBear
Banned
Mizzou Gaming
Member
Yeah HORIZON is a bit more arcadey than the previous Forzas. Horizon is really good.
Steve McQueen
Member
What do you guys think....is the SP worth it? Probably won't spend many hours in MP. Blame HALO4
sparky2112
Member
That kinda says it all. So, pass.
Well, just played the game for a couple hours so I'll give my Single Player impressions.
As much as I loved Burnout Paradise the game that made me buy Most Wanted day one was NFS Hot Pursuit. There's not a racing game that I've enjoyed and played more than NFS HP.
Well maybe Top Gear for the SNES but that was more than 15 years ago! (I still remember that opening theme...one of the best ever!!!)
So if there's anyone out there anticipating MW because of HP be warned. They are very, very different beasts!
I'm not saying MW is bad, but at least for me it's nowhere near as good as HP was or even Burnout Paradise a much older game.
On a Criterion scale I would place it at a distant third place behind Paradise at second and Hot Pursuit at first.
Handling in the game is not as smooth as HP or responsive as Paradise. I'm a pretty good Hot Pursuit player, got gold medal on all single player events, even the DLC ones, and the cars just don't behave as well on MW. IMO HP had perfect arcade handling. By the way, I managed to upgrade some cars completely so I guess I have a good idea how they handle. It was sooo easy dodging traffic and cops on HP. Pulling stunts, powerdrifiting were also easy on Paradise...that's not the case here. Maybe I'll just get better at the game with experience.
The map is really, really small...that was a major disappointment after how massive HP and Paradise were. And frankly I didn't enjoy the track design too...it felt uninspired.
I'm not saying the game is bad, and just saying I expected so much more.
There's still enjoyment to be had, and I can't say I regret my purchase. Maybe it will grow on me.
Fortunately the game really shines graphically and on the sound design (at least on consoles). Autolog as always is a nice feature.
I was waiting for Sony to drop my 20 bucks on my PSN account (due to that $100 promotion) to buy MW on the Vita, but I won't be doing that now. MW on the PS3 alone is enough for me. I would easily pay 5 times more for a HP or Paradise port considering how much I played those games.
Finally, I think (hope) it was a bug so maybe someone can confirm this to me:
When I was doing my first and only Most Wanted race (until now!) against the Alfa Romeo I was leading by a good margin when I made a mistake and ran over the spike strips. I lost control and crashed the car. The Alfa Romeo managed to pass me as I awaited my car to respawn, but when it finally did I was still without tires running on my wheels!
I looked for a repair shop but there was not a single one around, and there wasn't a single repair shop in the racing course until the end! I drove without tires, on my wheels for at least 2 minutes without being able to repair then during the race and I still fucking won.
It was pretty fucking ridiculous.
After I won the race I had to took down the Alfa still without tires without a single repair shop close by! He pulled some stupid stunts and as my car was controlling like shit 4 cops managed to bring me down.
When I got out of jail I finally had tires again, and quickly the Alfa passed by me again so we were able to resume the pursuit and now with tires I managed to took him down quickly.
I wonder if that was a bug or a (stupid) design choice. I ran over the spikes, my car crashed, I lost precious seconds and my opponent passed me, I was punished enough for my mistake do I really have to drive without tires after respawning until I find a repair shop around maybe even outside of the course track?
If it's a design choice depending on the race you're better restarting the event than trying to correct your mistakes on race.
I can't think of a single arcade racer that does something like that.
Edit: That's not a bug, it's a design choice. Just realized we can pick inflatable tires. That's dumb Criterion just let me pick slick tires or off road tires and be done with it...
As much as I loved Burnout Paradise the game that made me buy Most Wanted day one was NFS Hot Pursuit. There's not a racing game that I've enjoyed and played more than NFS HP.
Well maybe Top Gear for the SNES but that was more than 15 years ago! (I still remember that opening theme...one of the best ever!!!)
So if there's anyone out there anticipating MW because of HP be warned. They are very, very different beasts!
I'm not saying MW is bad, but at least for me it's nowhere near as good as HP was or even Burnout Paradise a much older game.
On a Criterion scale I would place it at a distant third place behind Paradise at second and Hot Pursuit at first.
Handling in the game is not as smooth as HP or responsive as Paradise. I'm a pretty good Hot Pursuit player, got gold medal on all single player events, even the DLC ones, and the cars just don't behave as well on MW. IMO HP had perfect arcade handling. By the way, I managed to upgrade some cars completely so I guess I have a good idea how they handle. It was sooo easy dodging traffic and cops on HP. Pulling stunts, powerdrifiting were also easy on Paradise...that's not the case here. Maybe I'll just get better at the game with experience.
The map is really, really small...that was a major disappointment after how massive HP and Paradise were. And frankly I didn't enjoy the track design too...it felt uninspired.
I'm not saying the game is bad, and just saying I expected so much more.
There's still enjoyment to be had, and I can't say I regret my purchase. Maybe it will grow on me.
Fortunately the game really shines graphically and on the sound design (at least on consoles). Autolog as always is a nice feature.
I was waiting for Sony to drop my 20 bucks on my PSN account (due to that $100 promotion) to buy MW on the Vita, but I won't be doing that now. MW on the PS3 alone is enough for me. I would easily pay 5 times more for a HP or Paradise port considering how much I played those games.
Finally, I think (hope) it was a bug so maybe someone can confirm this to me:
When I was doing my first and only Most Wanted race (until now!) against the Alfa Romeo I was leading by a good margin when I made a mistake and ran over the spike strips. I lost control and crashed the car. The Alfa Romeo managed to pass me as I awaited my car to respawn, but when it finally did I was still without tires running on my wheels!
I looked for a repair shop but there was not a single one around, and there wasn't a single repair shop in the racing course until the end! I drove without tires, on my wheels for at least 2 minutes without being able to repair then during the race and I still fucking won.
It was pretty fucking ridiculous.
After I won the race I had to took down the Alfa still without tires without a single repair shop close by! He pulled some stupid stunts and as my car was controlling like shit 4 cops managed to bring me down.
When I got out of jail I finally had tires again, and quickly the Alfa passed by me again so we were able to resume the pursuit and now with tires I managed to took him down quickly.
I wonder if that was a bug or a (stupid) design choice. I ran over the spikes, my car crashed, I lost precious seconds and my opponent passed me, I was punished enough for my mistake do I really have to drive without tires after respawning until I find a repair shop around maybe even outside of the course track?
If it's a design choice depending on the race you're better restarting the event than trying to correct your mistakes on race.
I can't think of a single arcade racer that does something like that.
Edit: That's not a bug, it's a design choice. Just realized we can pick inflatable tires. That's dumb Criterion just let me pick slick tires or off road tires and be done with it...
I just want to know 2 simple questions.
Is this game more fun than Midnight Club LA? (this considers cop chases, fun of the driving, etc...)
Is this game better than Hot Pursuit 2010?
I consider the 2 titles above the best arcade racing games I've ever played. I despised Burnout Paradise despite loving the other previous burnouts.
I also liked Most Wanted 2005 a decent amount back in the day due to the fun cop chases and 1 player story mode.
I got this as part of the Buy 2 get one free sale at Target, and right now it is slated to be traded in for Black Ops 2 in 2 weeks with all the mixed reactions.
I'm not a multiplayer guy on racers, so I strictly wanted a really fun arcade racing game with great cop chases like in the previous titles I mentioned.
Is this game more fun than Midnight Club LA? (this considers cop chases, fun of the driving, etc...)
Is this game better than Hot Pursuit 2010?
I consider the 2 titles above the best arcade racing games I've ever played. I despised Burnout Paradise despite loving the other previous burnouts.
I also liked Most Wanted 2005 a decent amount back in the day due to the fun cop chases and 1 player story mode.
I got this as part of the Buy 2 get one free sale at Target, and right now it is slated to be traded in for Black Ops 2 in 2 weeks with all the mixed reactions.
I'm not a multiplayer guy on racers, so I strictly wanted a really fun arcade racing game with great cop chases like in the previous titles I mentioned.
I haven't played Midnight Club, but Most Wanted is not as good as Hot Pursuit 2010.
Read my post above were I stated my reasons, but if I were you I still would try to at least rent the game and take my own conclusions.
IMHO when it comes to single player MW is not on HP level...
Just played the PS+ trial and enjoyed what I played. My impressions:
1- First thing I did was turn the soundtrack way down. A horrendous licensed soundtrack which is to be expected from Criterion. Still a bummer.
2- I thought the game looked beautiful. Lots of wonderful architecture and the effects don't bother me at all. I also like the more dynamic camera that dips and weaves as the cars race over the terrain. Framerate was mostly solid, the only problem I noticed were during the intros. The interface was slick and let me navigate the games options with ease.
3 - I hopped into multiplayer, but could figure out how to play with anyone. Does this not work in the trial?
4 - Some of the intro movies involving police are hilarious. Good to see Criterion having fun and letting loose.
5 - I ended up in a chase that took close to 15 min. to finish. Not sure if that's how it's supposed to be or if I just couldn't figure out how to end it in a timely fashion. I can see why this bothers the shit out of people, but I'm willing to give it a chance.
6 - I liked the city, thought the environments were varied and the day/night cycle was a nice touch.
Im gonna pick it up when I have the cash. I already want more. Game could use a patch (coasted into a lake and just kept sinking into glitch city, some of the events could probably be tweaked).
1- First thing I did was turn the soundtrack way down. A horrendous licensed soundtrack which is to be expected from Criterion. Still a bummer.
2- I thought the game looked beautiful. Lots of wonderful architecture and the effects don't bother me at all. I also like the more dynamic camera that dips and weaves as the cars race over the terrain. Framerate was mostly solid, the only problem I noticed were during the intros. The interface was slick and let me navigate the games options with ease.
3 - I hopped into multiplayer, but could figure out how to play with anyone. Does this not work in the trial?
4 - Some of the intro movies involving police are hilarious. Good to see Criterion having fun and letting loose.
5 - I ended up in a chase that took close to 15 min. to finish. Not sure if that's how it's supposed to be or if I just couldn't figure out how to end it in a timely fashion. I can see why this bothers the shit out of people, but I'm willing to give it a chance.
6 - I liked the city, thought the environments were varied and the day/night cycle was a nice touch.
Im gonna pick it up when I have the cash. I already want more. Game could use a patch (coasted into a lake and just kept sinking into glitch city, some of the events could probably be tweaked).
peacemountain
Member
Played for about 2h tonight. Pure joy! Sure, i have some complaints and believe i will not invest as much time in this baby then i logged in for Burnout Paradise but the pure arcade racing is top notch! Great city, great car selection and the game starts with Muse sound!
Looking forward to play that gem again.
If you are in search of an arcade racer game, go get it!
Looking forward to play that gem again.
If you are in search of an arcade racer game, go get it!
DidntKnowJack
Member
I have the digital version on PS3, and though there have been a couple of slight hitches with the streaming tech, the frame rate itself has been solid. Haven't really noticed any dropped frames.
Purchased the game with PS+ discount on day 1 digital....shit won't download for me. Consistently get error while downloading or corrupted file when it installs.
Can't say its only this game, but usually others end up working...I've downloaded it like 8 times now.
Getting so frustrated. Error 80029564 ...pissing me off.
Can't say its only this game, but usually others end up working...I've downloaded it like 8 times now.
Getting so frustrated. Error 80029564 ...pissing me off.
EA, you mean. Burnout used to have original music.
Always-honest
Banned
Played a couple of hours on the ps3 version.
- the sound. Holy shit at the sound.... Turned off the cancerous wubwub and 100%-ed the sound of the cars. Hoooly shit.
- the graphics. Games beautiful but the jaggies ruin a lot of it. I fucking hate jaggies and i wish the were dead,
- the handling: a bit too tanky for my taste, but i'll get used to them.
- gameplay. I love these street races. Fuck boring circles on racetracks.
- traffic: just enough imo. Streets aren't empty at all and more traffic would kill the game.
- lighting: just awesome.
- cars: great choice n cars. i'm in love with a mercedes right now.
- cops: well, i love it like i loved it in MW. S much fun to watch a friend tryng to get away from the cops. Too bad you can't reall use things in the environment at your advantage like with MW. in the single player you don't really meet them THAT often.. But would be cool if you could turn cops off.
- Online: bought it for the online. Haven't even touched it yet. ut that will be the most fun part. Think.
- framerate: was fine ( but not 60 ofcourse... AND STILL JAGGIES)
- Story; none. Thank god
I do miss a lot of the Burnout stuff sometimes... Takedowns, stuntruns, etc.
note To Devs: KILL THE FUCKING JAGGIES. They are making games less fun because they are so fucking distractive and horrible to look at. Crawling lines everywhere... jaggies will make even the most beautiful game look like a last gen gameinstantly imo. It's a shame, cause this game would be gloriously beautiful without them.
- the sound. Holy shit at the sound.... Turned off the cancerous wubwub and 100%-ed the sound of the cars. Hoooly shit.
- the graphics. Games beautiful but the jaggies ruin a lot of it. I fucking hate jaggies and i wish the were dead,
- the handling: a bit too tanky for my taste, but i'll get used to them.
- gameplay. I love these street races. Fuck boring circles on racetracks.
- traffic: just enough imo. Streets aren't empty at all and more traffic would kill the game.
- lighting: just awesome.
- cars: great choice n cars. i'm in love with a mercedes right now.
- cops: well, i love it like i loved it in MW. S much fun to watch a friend tryng to get away from the cops. Too bad you can't reall use things in the environment at your advantage like with MW. in the single player you don't really meet them THAT often.. But would be cool if you could turn cops off.
- Online: bought it for the online. Haven't even touched it yet. ut that will be the most fun part. Think.
- framerate: was fine ( but not 60 ofcourse... AND STILL JAGGIES)
- Story; none. Thank god
I do miss a lot of the Burnout stuff sometimes... Takedowns, stuntruns, etc.
note To Devs: KILL THE FUCKING JAGGIES. They are making games less fun because they are so fucking distractive and horrible to look at. Crawling lines everywhere... jaggies will make even the most beautiful game look like a last gen gameinstantly imo. It's a shame, cause this game would be gloriously beautiful without them.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Huge digression:
I have never ever understood this. By driving around the city and finding streets and routes, it made you a better driver in BP. Having a restart in the game makes you not learn the streets. Without it, you mapped the entire city in your mind. This is the same complaint from the people who complain "I don't know what turn to take in a race and I lose!" Well yeah....that's because you skipped the driving around the city part just to restart a race and not find out the fastest way around because you couldn't be fussed to figure things out. You wanted it handed to you and then when you finally got it (when it wasn't needed at all) you complained because you didn't know where to turn. Criterion listened to forum gripes and made their vision of the game far worse for it. It got so bad at one point, they closed off their forum because of people griping about stupid crap like "where's the restart button!". I should know because the Criterion faithful were pissed they bowed to forum posts and eventually had to cut out communication with their fans because of the lowest common denominators. Not to mention that all of the gripes about that cut short their planned DLC for BP, which in turn hurt everyone.
Nah. I played the game before and after the patch, and I liked the game more after. I still learned the city and routes just fine. The game provides plenty of opportunities for exploration and there are plenty of events that end at, say, Wildcat Stadium - so there's plenty of opportunities to learn different routes.
The restart patch was just an opportunity to play the game the way I wanted to play it. Rarely is this ever a bad thing.
pharmboy044
Member
You're in NA? Contact @morganharo or @askplaystation for any issues.
I wish the Vita version would adopt a modified version of the mobile UI. Looks so much cleaner and less cramped than the Vita's menus. None of the Vita menus can be used with touch, and so any of the elements look way too small, like they didn't even think once about how the menus might look on a significantly smaller screen. They should take the mobile version's menus and modify it to put more information. For example, keep the ticker, but make it a little bigger font-wise. I should also say that the menus on the mobile version are SO much faster and smoother. Just a whole different experience that is much better.
See here:
See here:
Ugh, fuck I hate that, I don't like behind the car view.
The original arcade ridge racer had the perfect "bumper" cam height but it seems that very few racers these days get it right.
I was so happy that Forza Horizons had it right and was really looking forward to picking this up for my Vita, but hearing that is almost enough to dissuade me.
JAY the BIRD
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Origin... we meet again.
Lets hope it runs well on my 7970.
Lets hope it runs well on my 7970.
I am so annoyed by this game at this point that I find the thread title insulting.
To say that the cops in the open world were a bad decision may be the greatest understatement in the history of people criticizing video games. I just spent fifteen fucking minutes trying to get my heat down, to only have it continually ricochet back and forth between levels four and three, during which at times I drove as well as I ever have in any racing game, only to finally be busted at the end, despite every effort I could possibly manage. I drove flawlessly for minutes at a time. Once I momentarily evaded the most annoying enemies in the history of games, I would try to hide in a little corner, or on train tracks, to no avail. I would look at the blue arrows on my awful minimap and go in the one direction there were none, to then five seconds later see four more swarming in on me from every fucking direction there is. I have no tools at my disposal, such as spike strips, to get rid of the one lone cop on my ass after somehow getting rid of the other six, and so I am destined to stay in this perpetual hell of squealing sirens and pointless, irritating police blabber until finally I am saved by screwing up and getting busted... to which there is apparently no penalty? I even got a trophy for it.
So, yeah, this isn't a return to Paradise. It's the opposite.
To say that the cops in the open world were a bad decision may be the greatest understatement in the history of people criticizing video games. I just spent fifteen fucking minutes trying to get my heat down, to only have it continually ricochet back and forth between levels four and three, during which at times I drove as well as I ever have in any racing game, only to finally be busted at the end, despite every effort I could possibly manage. I drove flawlessly for minutes at a time. Once I momentarily evaded the most annoying enemies in the history of games, I would try to hide in a little corner, or on train tracks, to no avail. I would look at the blue arrows on my awful minimap and go in the one direction there were none, to then five seconds later see four more swarming in on me from every fucking direction there is. I have no tools at my disposal, such as spike strips, to get rid of the one lone cop on my ass after somehow getting rid of the other six, and so I am destined to stay in this perpetual hell of squealing sirens and pointless, irritating police blabber until finally I am saved by screwing up and getting busted... to which there is apparently no penalty? I even got a trophy for it.
So, yeah, this isn't a return to Paradise. It's the opposite.
That's a bummer. Jeff Gerstman was talking about that same issue during the quick look.
I only spent a short while with it but it never took that long, I read some other guy posting here who wanted to go to sleep lol but was stuck with them chasing him.
(instead of just trying to outrun them) Try hitting the brakes and then aiming to smash him or smash them into another car/building or take a strange detour/shortcut and boost away, then drive slow and easy to the quickest repair shop, turning around if police are nearby..
Think of the awesome manoeuvre in the trailer for inspiration haven't managed it yet..
(instead of just trying to outrun them) Try hitting the brakes and then aiming to smash him or smash them into another car/building or take a strange detour/shortcut and boost away, then drive slow and easy to the quickest repair shop, turning around if police are nearby..
Think of the awesome manoeuvre in the trailer for inspiration
haven't managed it yet..TheApatheticOne
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While Im enjoying the game and think its pretty great, I absolutely 100% agree with you about everything you said. Anytime the sirens hit, i just park the car. No penalty, and not worth the infinite police chase of sorrow. Ive done some CRAZY good driving, unpredictable, jumping onto and off of stuff, nitro all the time... but when they decide to be all over your shit... thats that. Some of the road blocks are just silly. So out of place, you're almost convinced there is another high speed chase in the area and the road block is for that one! lol
Right. And I loved the fact that BP let you select which tracks you wanted to hear. And it had some of the original Burnout tracks in the playlist. I'm just not a fan of licensed music in general.
BenjaminBirdie
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Yeah, Horizon reminds me so much of NFS Underground, actually. Just, you know, Overground. As far as environments go.
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Kotaku gave it a very positive review.
http://updates.kotaku.com/post/34640631549/need-for-speed-most-wanted-the-kotaku-review
Can't wait to try the game once power
Is restored regardless of all your complaining.
http://updates.kotaku.com/post/34640631549/need-for-speed-most-wanted-the-kotaku-review
Can't wait to try the game once power
Is restored regardless of all your complaining.
DidntKnowJack
Member
There's no point in having a 15 minute chase with the cops. Just let them catch you. The only penalty is starting back from the point you first got in that particular car. It's not worth the hassle.
But yeah, the cops are way overdone in this game.
But yeah, the cops are way overdone in this game.