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NeoGAF FFXI FAQ/Starter topic Redux
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Kandinsky said:Sorry, the name's Sacan on Fairy, but nm I already did it, thanks to Fellix an awesome Darknight from Sandy
No way, you're in DarkSteelCircle LS now right? More and more GAF members are in that LS each day lol. <Hello> I'm not on it much because of the static and events in the other GAF LS. Wish we could just merge but I know Fellix enjoy putting those new LSmessages up daily lol.Screenshots of the yet to be implemented fourth CoP region, Al Taieu:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050119/altaieu.htm
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20050119/altaieu.htm
DrForester
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i've been debating with my LS as to if that's the 4th or 3rd region.
I dont consider promyvion a region
Im ready to get there. I just got my sky access, so now I can fight the gods with rest of my LS. So far on Promathia i'm up to chapter 4, beaten Ouryu. Got sacrium access, which was VERY nice as some gobbie bag 6 items drop there, so me and friends exploited the price on our server while they were still going for 400k each (down to 100k is now). the items drop other places, but we could get a dozen cloths and ingots in a few hours of formors. We're getting more of our LS up to that point, so we can take on Kermet and finish up chapter 4. I'd like to get to stop point before square introduces more content. Up to chapter 7 now.
I dont consider promyvion a region
Im ready to get there. I just got my sky access, so now I can fight the gods with rest of my LS. So far on Promathia i'm up to chapter 4, beaten Ouryu. Got sacrium access, which was VERY nice as some gobbie bag 6 items drop there, so me and friends exploited the price on our server while they were still going for 400k each (down to 100k is now). the items drop other places, but we could get a dozen cloths and ingots in a few hours of formors. We're getting more of our LS up to that point, so we can take on Kermet and finish up chapter 4. I'd like to get to stop point before square introduces more content. Up to chapter 7 now.
Sure... A lot of people doing subjobs for various jobs and/or on their 2nd or 3rd or 4th main jobs... Lowbie areas are just as crowded as it always has. Although, lately, on Fairy, I notice there's just way too many mages around lv 35ish. So when I level my war I always get party invite even without flag up.
Inflation has gone a bit out of wack on some items such as leaping boots, emperor's pin and whatever +1 version of ubor items.
Inflation has gone a bit out of wack on some items such as leaping boots, emperor's pin and whatever +1 version of ubor items.
Alex
Member
Ah, well that's good then.
The inflation had existed before I left, so that's not much of a shocker. I'll probably go back to my old server (as I doubt you fellows want lowbie cluttering up your LS) where I have a few million gil to at least build myself back up.
Mages are crowded huh? Darn, I kinda wanted to make a WHM again.
Quick question Ru: How about the high 40's to 50's zones? Maybe I'll hop back to an older job.
The inflation had existed before I left, so that's not much of a shocker. I'll probably go back to my old server (as I doubt you fellows want lowbie cluttering up your LS) where I have a few million gil to at least build myself back up.
Mages are crowded huh? Darn, I kinda wanted to make a WHM again.
Quick question Ru: How about the high 40's to 50's zones? Maybe I'll hop back to an older job.
I think it's interesting how CoP was geared so much towards endgame players, but still has level limits. The missions are nearly impossible for new players to beat because they require expensive items and equipment as well as lots of fighting experience.
It's also messed up that 75% of the areas are meant for nothing but missions and farming. They didn't alleviate the levelling issues at all. Still, I quit the game, so don't take my criticisms too seriously.
It's also messed up that 75% of the areas are meant for nothing but missions and farming. They didn't alleviate the levelling issues at all. Still, I quit the game, so don't take my criticisms too seriously.
Alex
Member
I love the game, especially it's lore and visuals, and it's frankly the best team play MMO on the market, WoW isn't even fucking close in that regard.
But everything after the last few additions has just been...lazy. In specific, Promathia itself was a fairly lazy $30 mission pack.
It seems to me, after Dynamis and Ballista were added, they switched into "don't rock the boat mode, we're done". The general welfare of the game, along with the economy, is decaying, no new concepts (AFAIK) have been discussed, ect, even as a more "hardcore" player I can't help but feel the spirit of the game is dying.
In short, FFXI is turning into a less stupid version of Ultima Online.
"Relaunching" the game, making it more intuitive to play for newbies, along with adding in new concepts, a solid pack of new jobs and some fun new zones that are actually decent and easily avalible to EXP in would be nice.
I dunno if I'll attempt to return or not. I always refused to take place in a lot of the end game drama despite having two jobs parked at 75, and the lower/more accessable parts of the game were kinda fading away when I left.
But everything after the last few additions has just been...lazy. In specific, Promathia itself was a fairly lazy $30 mission pack.
It seems to me, after Dynamis and Ballista were added, they switched into "don't rock the boat mode, we're done". The general welfare of the game, along with the economy, is decaying, no new concepts (AFAIK) have been discussed, ect, even as a more "hardcore" player I can't help but feel the spirit of the game is dying.
In short, FFXI is turning into a less stupid version of Ultima Online.
"Relaunching" the game, making it more intuitive to play for newbies, along with adding in new concepts, a solid pack of new jobs and some fun new zones that are actually decent and easily avalible to EXP in would be nice.
I dunno if I'll attempt to return or not. I always refused to take place in a lot of the end game drama despite having two jobs parked at 75, and the lower/more accessable parts of the game were kinda fading away when I left.
Bizarro Sun Yat-sen
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With Promathia they made a decision to focus on story more than battles. I wouldn't call that lazy, it's just a different focus that some players happen to find less interesting.
One point is that until recently most of what they'd been adding, including Rise of Zilart, have been features and areas planned back in 2000. Now, though, their original plans are pretty much exhausted and they're having to improvise (already, only about 1/3 of Chains of Promathia is based on the original design from 2000). Also, the original director of FFXI (the creator of the Seiken Densetsu/Mana series, Koichi Ishii) quit after Zilart to concentrate on the new Mana game(s), so that may be affecting things as well.
Still, in the next few months a new region and new Conflict event type are being added, so the game's not quite dead yet.
One point is that until recently most of what they'd been adding, including Rise of Zilart, have been features and areas planned back in 2000. Now, though, their original plans are pretty much exhausted and they're having to improvise (already, only about 1/3 of Chains of Promathia is based on the original design from 2000). Also, the original director of FFXI (the creator of the Seiken Densetsu/Mana series, Koichi Ishii) quit after Zilart to concentrate on the new Mana game(s), so that may be affecting things as well.
Still, in the next few months a new region and new Conflict event type are being added, so the game's not quite dead yet.
Alex
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It stems no real creativity nor features into the game, doesn't address any of the flaws or content droughts in certain areas, IMO, it's a pretty simplistic and thus, lazy, expansion.
Despite running off of prior scope and ideas for the game, it was superbly supported and had a lot of spirit until about the last few large additions last year.
Sounds to me like the director fufilled his duty to the series, left the team, and now you've mostly got a "by the numbers" live team in charge, who will likely mostly provide little more than unneeded (IMO) mission packs for the remainder of it's life.
I love the game, no, I adore the game. I just despise how they're letting it sink into a gradually unplayable state, and supporting it with truly medicore additions.
Of course, the way I played it helped shift where I wound up, so it's partially my fault.
What'd make me happy, is simply if they'd open up some new servers, and NOT allow migration. A fresh experience without the taint of gilsellers, a lack of the lot of the drama, ect. It'd be nice.
When all is said and done though, I just hope this performed well enough to warrant an FFXI-2 in the future.
Despite running off of prior scope and ideas for the game, it was superbly supported and had a lot of spirit until about the last few large additions last year.
Sounds to me like the director fufilled his duty to the series, left the team, and now you've mostly got a "by the numbers" live team in charge, who will likely mostly provide little more than unneeded (IMO) mission packs for the remainder of it's life.
I love the game, no, I adore the game. I just despise how they're letting it sink into a gradually unplayable state, and supporting it with truly medicore additions.
Of course, the way I played it helped shift where I wound up, so it's partially my fault.
What'd make me happy, is simply if they'd open up some new servers, and NOT allow migration. A fresh experience without the taint of gilsellers, a lack of the lot of the drama, ect. It'd be nice.
When all is said and done though, I just hope this performed well enough to warrant an FFXI-2 in the future.
Most of the mages I've PTed with as of late are just plain tag-along EXP sponges who put the bare minimum into performing their role. I think lots of people hung up on being a damage dealer switched to a job that could get them PTs before WoW came out, but they never switched back to being damage dealer because they found a job they could abuse for party invites. I was doing my first BRD AF the other day and grouped with a BRD that carried no more than three instruments total. I've kept the majority of mine - regardless of the level of use - since the beginning (+1s, no less).
DDs are actually getting more rare at the mid-to-high levels now, at least they are on my server. I'd complain, but that actually means good things for my DRG :lol
Gilsellers will infiltrate all servers they can, its just inevitable. As for a lack of drama, just gotta find the right LS for taht and turn off all the shours in Jeuno.
DrForester
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well, just hit chapter 5 for promathia. My LS is trying to get te "sea" ASAP when it comes out end of month.
Special Note:
In getting chapter 5 we saw a cut scene with diabolos. The way he showed up make it look like he will be a summon avatar at some point.
Special Note:
In getting chapter 5 we saw a cut scene with diabolos. The way he showed up make it look like he will be a summon avatar at some point.
For the first time in a long time, I had to sit around and camp a spawn last night in WoW... not since my FFXI days have I done that; it really is a stupid idea when you get down to it... and I really think that if they had some instances for exp, HNMs, etc, that it would really fix the game up, playability wise.
as far as HNM instances go, they'd probably be a flagging system similar to dynamis, where the same person can't go in more than twice in 24 hours.
A few other changes such as expanding the conning range, like I suggested in the WoW thread, and having exp soloable for 1.5k per hour would do a lot to freshen the game up, without massive content changes or some such.
That said, the end game of FFXI is still incredibly broken, giving players only moderately challenging HNMs, but making the circumstances in which they're fought under extremely taxing (infrequent spawns, etc) in order to control the rarity of the end game items.
as far as HNM instances go, they'd probably be a flagging system similar to dynamis, where the same person can't go in more than twice in 24 hours.
A few other changes such as expanding the conning range, like I suggested in the WoW thread, and having exp soloable for 1.5k per hour would do a lot to freshen the game up, without massive content changes or some such.
That said, the end game of FFXI is still incredibly broken, giving players only moderately challenging HNMs, but making the circumstances in which they're fought under extremely taxing (infrequent spawns, etc) in order to control the rarity of the end game items.
Zaptruder said:
While I agree that FFXI needs more instance type battles (more Dynamis' are coming and a new "Diorama" are coming sooner or later), a lot of people tend to forget about BCNM fights. I've shunned these for the longest time, but I feel really sorry I did. Some of these fights are AWESOME, challenging, and can reward you greatly. Kind Behemoth, moderately challenging. The Behemoth BCNM? Whole different ballgame. =D
I agree and disagree for the most part. HNMs camping can get old, and can get boring, but these a lot of them, so you can mix it all up. I do like the competition in trying to grab a spawn, as long as it stays clean. However, there's still so much shit to do in the game as a lvl 75 MNK that I haven't even touched. Especially quests (while I accomplished gigantic quests such as Black Belt, Lu Shangs, and more, that's still tons to do) and crafting. Crafting is all levels of course, but still, it's really fun.
Eh, I've kind of made a rediscovery of the game personally, and I'm having fun again. ^^ Yeah, there's still problems and gilsellers and blah blah. But, fact is, moneysellers will invade everygame (Click here if you think I'm lying) nowadays, soooo...yeah. Take the good with the bad I suppose. Hopefully this new patch will help us out with some much needed additions.
DrForester said:
My LS trying to hit Al'Taieu ASAP as well for all the phat l00t...
Which I think is a terrible wrong way to go about it personally, but who knows. ..
I wouldn't doubt Diabolos being a summon..someday. However, who knows. I know he does have a connection with Dynamis, so I think that'll be explained sooner or later..hell, I wouldn't doubt Al'Taieu being FULL of "Terrestrial Avatars" (Diabolos being the Terrestrial Avatar of Dreams...) personally. We'll see.
Kintaro said:
You know, I'm starting to think these gilsellers are eventually just snuff themselves out. The MPK antics between the two gilseller companies in Kuftal Tunnel these days are getting out of hand, you can practically go document the drama that unfolds and share it with the GM now.
The last update thankfully put the career gilsellers in Ordelles out of business, least on my server. The Stroper Chyme spawns are so spread out now its impossible to monopolize them, which is great since Archer Rings and Sniper Rings have become very reasonably priced.
I think I may be done with Final Fantasy XI.
Nothing wrong with it, just there's so many other games I can play.
I really wish SE had a "store your character" system for like a couple bucks a month. I don't want to have my character deleted. Sometime I'll want to go do the rest of the PM's and ZM's.
Plus I spent so much hard work on things, especially having like every quest done and my goldsmithing 64 (with sunglasses). I don't want to lose it, but I also don't want to pay $15x4 every year to make sure it doesn't get deleted.
Nothing wrong with it, just there's so many other games I can play.
I really wish SE had a "store your character" system for like a couple bucks a month. I don't want to have my character deleted. Sometime I'll want to go do the rest of the PM's and ZM's.
Plus I spent so much hard work on things, especially having like every quest done and my goldsmithing 64 (with sunglasses). I don't want to lose it, but I also don't want to pay $15x4 every year to make sure it doesn't get deleted.
DrForester
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Kintaro said:I'm now at 200+ Byne Bills for the 1st stage of my Relic Weapon.
Half way to 1st base
You'll need 6,200 in currency for number 3.
Sqaure hates you, they hate you very much.
Shouta
Member
I'd recommend Warrior or White Mage to start because those are the two most versatile subjobs in the game and they'll give you an idea of how to do the basics for other classes. They play prominent party roles at early levels though and you might be dying a little too much if you're not careful. In that case, Black Mage might be a good idea as long as you don't overcast your magic on mobs in parties which you should be starting around level 10/11 (maybe a little earlier). Do get a Great Axe if you can with Warrior though =P.
New fishing system! I might actually take up fishing again.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/information/0210.html
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/information/0210.html
XMonkey said:
No I'm pretty sure that the starter cities as well as Kahzam never charged for putting stuff up. I started back playing in December and noticed Kahzam was charging. i thought they did that to get the people who would ride the ship to Kahzam to put up item versus putting them up in Jueno and getting charged the tax. I just made it back to Bastok and found out that they are charging there as well.
Shouta said:
I don't recall being told that if I put up something that it would cost me such and such. It used to be you hit sell then the item then input the price and it would kick you back to selection screen. Now it tells you it will cost this much and ask you if you still want to put it up. It didn't do that on the release day of the game.
DrForester
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List of stuff comming in patch
Can't wait to get to sea. We're goign to make an attempt at the "super BCNM" on the airship tonight in Chapter 6. 45 minute time limit. 3 BCNM fights one after another, should be a fun time.
Sea is not going to have to many people in it for quite some time. The amount of fights and running arround is just insane. Pick up parties jsut arent going to cut it. The fights are fun though. Chapter 5 is like chapter 3 where the road forks in 3 different paths, except each path has more fighting. There's a fight with 3 Mithra in a HUGE BCNM area in Boneyard Gully. Fight in Bearclaw Pinnicle where you have to beat a snow bomb in 45 seconds or it explodes (it explodes you will loose whether you live or die). Then there is a moblin fight that it's like a Mini-Kirin fight (And after fight you meet moblin NPC that speaks in l337). Overall i'd say chapter 5 alone is probably bigger than all the missions of Zilart put together.
Can't wait to get to sea. We're goign to make an attempt at the "super BCNM" on the airship tonight in Chapter 6. 45 minute time limit. 3 BCNM fights one after another, should be a fun time.
Sea is not going to have to many people in it for quite some time. The amount of fights and running arround is just insane. Pick up parties jsut arent going to cut it. The fights are fun though. Chapter 5 is like chapter 3 where the road forks in 3 different paths, except each path has more fighting. There's a fight with 3 Mithra in a HUGE BCNM area in Boneyard Gully. Fight in Bearclaw Pinnicle where you have to beat a snow bomb in 45 seconds or it explodes (it explodes you will loose whether you live or die). Then there is a moblin fight that it's like a Mini-Kirin fight (And after fight you meet moblin NPC that speaks in l337). Overall i'd say chapter 5 alone is probably bigger than all the missions of Zilart put together.
DrForester
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BCNM, kirin, quadev god. Already 3 ways to get it.
I do think R3 prices are outrageous. I hit 70 a little over a week ago, and if we hadnt gotten drop of kirin i never would have bought it.
I do think R3 prices are outrageous. I hit 70 a little over a week ago, and if we hadnt gotten drop of kirin i never would have bought it.
DrForester
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Beat the Airship BCNM.
Man what a fun fight. Now, sleep.
Man what a fun fight. Now, sleep.
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/information/0221.html
How are they different from current battlefields?
-An orb is not required to enter an ENM quest battlefield.
-No experience will be lost when KO'd within these battlefields.
-Characters succeeding in an ENM battle will be rewarded with large amounts of experience, as well as unique items.
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Interesting...hope there isn't a really lame catch (although there probably will be).
How are they different from current battlefields?
-An orb is not required to enter an ENM quest battlefield.
-No experience will be lost when KO'd within these battlefields.
-Characters succeeding in an ENM battle will be rewarded with large amounts of experience, as well as unique items.
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Interesting...hope there isn't a really lame catch (although there probably will be).