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chespace said:
No... I don't know where in the world it rains silicone from the heavens, or pristine freezing rain like that... It's too rediculously glossy, especially on the roof... It messes with the colors in that F430 shot on it's rear side... It's overly done... I wish I could make my car shine like that in real life, but there's not a wax or polish on this earth that'll do that...
Can't believe Nos got banned when there is other dev's on here that posted worse, like someone said, Che, specifically in the one GT:HD iirc (which is direct competition)... They're game fans in the end too, and what Nos posted is no different than what others do on here daily... They come here for a break from their restraints, cool off and relax, be one of us... He doesn't like the look of it, he doesn't like the look of it... It'll be cool to tear HS apart though i guess when time comes for that thread...
This game will be much fun though with the inclusion of bikes... I don't think it'd work in a sim, but in a semi-arcadey racer like this, it'd be fine... Thus, i guess the look of the cars, kinda going with the super shiney look and not really the RL look... Can't have nothing but sims on the market, that'd be dull, and this game series is a nice break from playing them...
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Why exactly? Kung Fu Chaos was shit, and for all I know Heavenly Sword could be an absolute turd.Onix said:
At least Bizarre Creations have got some kind of track record when it comes to decent games.
cjelly said:
You're missing the point.
He made a comment specifically in regards to the shader used for the cars. That is a graphics-specific point.
To pretend Ninja Theory hasn't proven themselves in regards to graphics is laughable.
That said, are you trying to argue devs that haven't proven themselves yet should have no opinion on games? If so ... where does that leave you, who hasn't made any games?
Not that it matters, I personally agree with his statement (as do some others). Why is everyone getting so defensive? From an objective standpoint, the main uncanny valley in the game appears to be how the cars are reflecting light, etc. It seems to make them all look like the same material.
You act like this game for some reason cannot be commented on ... why? If you were to ask Nostromo his opinion on any given HS screen ... he'd find MORE to bitch about than probably anyone in this forum. That's what happens when you ask an artist to critique his own work ... they never think its 'done'.
In this case, he wasn't even pointing out some small little detail ... he's making what I think is a pretty obvious criticism.
vspectra06
Banned
J-Rzez said:
Just because it rains doesn't mean the sun can't still reflect off the surface of the car, or cause reflections for that matter. Cars still shine even when their wet.
vspectra06 said:Just because it rains doesn't mean the sun can't still reflect off the surface of the car. Cars still shine even when their wet.
And that Supra (especially) and 430 look nothing nothing like real life wetness (the Ferrari doesn't look too bad, just might be poor color reproduction)... and that's the problem... There's a difference between RL looking rain, and super-glossy-looks like a KY bath videogame rain, and the one they're using is the later... Some may like it, some won't... I don't...
You're talking to a car guy here, so that prolly has something to do with being harder on it... and, I know what a car looks like wet in the sun... anyone who washes their car without proper shade should know that, hehe...
storybook77
Member
It never ceases to amaze me, the things that GAF bitches about. :lol
Yeah, this game doesn't look exactly like real life. What a piece of dried up dog shit. I mean, come on. It's the new millennium, Bizarre, and your rain droplets are just a cheap programming trick. You can't fool me!
(Game looks really good)
(The Nostromo stuff is getting old)
(Game looks really good)
(The Nostromo stuff is getting old)
MassiveAttack
Banned
You guys better save your energy for the shitstorm next week.
Onix is correct. It's far easier to bitch about games in development when you've never been through the pain of developing one yourself. I suppose this applies to 99% of GAF though I have no clue about percentages nor do I really care.
Onix is correct. It's far easier to bitch about games in development when you've never been through the pain of developing one yourself. I suppose this applies to 99% of GAF though I have no clue about percentages nor do I really care.
cartoon_soldier
Member
dfyb said:
Because they have never made a racing game?
I just don't get how one dev can't respect another dev, especially when there is no direct competition here either. I can understand EA saying Gears of War is shit, this just sounded like a stupid "plastic cars" comment. Not that his original comment had any explanation on what he was trying to say, that came like 3 pages later.
Well, I promised myself that I wouldn't jump back into the fray (especially in light of what happened), but since Onix is beating on that poor decomposing horse again, I figured what the heck. 
I'm pretty sure, as indicated by his 24 hour hiatus, that this is what has been established thus far -
1. It's bad form for a member of a development team from a rival console to critique the work (without offering an adequate explanation) of the competition on a public forum, especially when it has yet to be determined if said developer has the capacity to create a good product. Yes, the videos and pictures we've seen of HS all look wonderful but until it hits store shelves then it's impossible to determine if they are representative of the final game.
2. People will almost always come to someone's defense when they sympathize with their plight.
Not to offend, but your point is completely irrelevant.Onix said:
I'm pretty sure, as indicated by his 24 hour hiatus, that this is what has been established thus far -
1. It's bad form for a member of a development team from a rival console to critique the work (without offering an adequate explanation) of the competition on a public forum, especially when it has yet to be determined if said developer has the capacity to create a good product. Yes, the videos and pictures we've seen of HS all look wonderful but until it hits store shelves then it's impossible to determine if they are representative of the final game.
2. People will almost always come to someone's defense when they sympathize with their plight.
You're right, and I won't argue the point any further.h1nch said:
cartoon_soldier
Member
dfyb said:
Because they have never made a racing game?
Actually, I just don't get how one dev can't respect another dev, especially when there is no direct competition here either. I can understand EA saying Gears of War is shit, this just sounded like a stupid "plastic cars" comment. Not that his original comment had any explanation on what he was trying to say, that came like 3 pages later.
Hitler Stole My Potato
Banned
shpankey said:
Pretty much.
That "groupthink" thread from yesterday accomplished nothing I see. Surprise, surprise.
Karma Kramer
Banned
Those Heavenly Sword pics look awesome!
Oh wait what thread am I in again?
Oh wait what thread am I in again?
That developer got served and some here are crying tears for him?
If any one of us came into a thread involving a huge racing series and outright called the cars plastic looking-just what do you think would happen? We'd have a mini vacation.
Just because this guy is some developer doesn't give him some high horse to ride and hide behind that profession while issuing cheap shot insults towards PGR4,a series that has proven itself in the racing genre.
If any one of us came into a thread involving a huge racing series and outright called the cars plastic looking-just what do you think would happen? We'd have a mini vacation.
Just because this guy is some developer doesn't give him some high horse to ride and hide behind that profession while issuing cheap shot insults towards PGR4,a series that has proven itself in the racing genre.
Karma Kramer
Banned
h1nch said:
I wouldn't be surprised if it was playable. Its coming out in a couple of months.
Rat Salad said:
Well, the fact that he couldn't point out the issues in detail is all the info I needed to dismiss his opinion as almost worthless. He should have taken the opportunity when people asked for clarification.
There's no need to discuss this further, RS's and my posts pretty much sum up that chapter of this thread.
They talk about expanded team-based racing modes...they seem pretty excited about it...can't wait to hear more!
p3tran said:
Hint: the game isn't coming out on THEIR console of choice.
I think the game is going to look just fine. But more importantly, it's going to play like a PGR game. There should really not be any sort of second guessing here. PGR4 is going to look better than PGR3, AND be 720p proper this time.
Karma Kramer
Banned
PGR3 to me already looked unbelievable and still does. Anyone who has played it, should not be concerned at all with the final product of PGR4.
chespace said:
Yeah, but I own both consoles as by my choice... Just like I'm sure MANY others do... These arguementive defenses (console of choice) are really weak and empty, and usually a last option for those that can't grasp that maybe people like something differently... Like I for one think the rain effect is way over done, not the best rain ever... I just expressed my opinion... It's different to say that about people who don't have both console's, and wouldn't buy the other console and it's games even if they had the money to, and then say something like this...
Regardless, I'm glad there's some Supra lovin' in there, in an article it's based on the 93 model year, wonder why they didn't go with the later models with improved valve timing? I'll have to pick this up though to fill my arcadey needs, and, can't resist bikes with cars...
J-Rzez you're a cool guy and one of the few car buffs on here who actually likes cars rather than being a poser.J-Rzez said:
But dammit dude, that rain looks awesome! :lol
Regarding Supras, while I've never thought they were crap performance-wise, I've always found them a bit clumsy looking and big but they have been growing on me a lot in recent years (Top Secret 3S-GTE Supra is an awesome looking thing). I agree it's nice to see some loving.
Also regarding the arcadey nature, I found PGR pretty boring until I got PGR3 with the wheel and suddenly it became unbelievable fun. I don't now how realistic it is with the wheel, but it certainly becomes quite challenging. OK, I'm done editing now...
HocusPocus
Member
I never though I'd see the day an action game and a racer were compared so much in a thread. :lol
Karma Kramer
Banned
J-Rzez said:
You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Honestly I think this forum needs to learn to respect others a lot more. That includes Nostromo btw.
I simply have a problem with people who simply don't show respect especially a developer who should be respectful of his peers and the industry. Its okay to go against the grain, but just do it with more respect. Because if you don't your ideas and opinions will never be fully appreciated. If you want to win over the crowd, you can't mock the crowd first and then expect to be listened to.
bigmakstudios
Banned
The goggles do nothing.
Crayon Shinchan
Aquafina Fanboy
dammitmattt said:
What makes you think I don't plan on playing the game? I have PGR3, and I'm interested to see what PGR4 will be doing.
The point of my post was to defend Nostromo's POV; the game does look good, but its cars do have a certain artificial quality to them. The weather effects are fantastic though; and I hope to see GT5 implement something similar.
And the comparison between GT5 and PGR4 is valid as they're both car racing sims that strive for a realistic look (as far as I can tell).
MassiveAttack
Banned
Someone piss in your Cheerios today?
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
chespace said:
I mean the feel and the light reminds me of PGR2, only writ large for a next-gen console and that's great since it's my favourite game in the series.
MassiveAttack
Banned
How terribly mature of you.gamerx said:
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MightyHedgehog
Member
Karma Kramer has the right idea. Too bad about this thread.
Bah, at first glance me thinks this was a bade idea. There was no need to introduce bikes to compete with TDU. I was gladly going to buy it as an arcade racer, which does not compete with Forza for me. I have no idea how they will balance it, and how to cope with bike driver falling off (they don't and it's super unrealistic, they do then they will always be hit by cars). I do know one reason for including bike's, get to raise the vehicle count with easy bike models.
Come release I may eat my words completely, but at this point it looks like a "Huh, why'd they have to go and do that?", for me.
Come release I may eat my words completely, but at this point it looks like a "Huh, why'd they have to go and do that?", for me.