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[FunkMiller]

Yeah. I'm not going to get excited about the potential power of any future games console all the time the industry is greedy enough to insist games come out on as many generations as possible, so they can make as much cash as possible. The Ps5 and Series X feel absolutely hamstrung so far, and I don't see that changing for quite some time. And when we do get the Ps6 and the Super Series X, they'll have the same problems.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Why not? The upcoming flagship card from AMD is going to just about hit 100 TFLOP and the PS6 is 5/6 years and 2 process shrinks away.

The Fury X was AMDs flagship card and launched just over 5 years before the PS5 launched and was 8.6 TFLOP. 5 years and two process shrinks later and it was handily surpassed by the consoles.

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It's all about (price) and power consumption. A pact all the big players signed in the console arena. PC doesn't have to worry about such pacts... yet.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I think upscaling tech will get so good that raw power won’t mean as much

 

[onnextflix5]

How many tflops do we need for full 1440p ray tracing at 60fps? That is the next leap in graphics.

 

[ThisIsMyDog]

But imagine what PS8 gonna be, cant wait.

 

[Zathalus]

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Both price and power consumption have increased for the consoles this generation as well. The launch PS4 was $399 and used around 150w for intensive games. The PS5 is $499 and uses 220w for intensive games.

A PS6 for $699 and using up to 280w is not outside the realm of possibility. Liquid metal plus vapor chamber cooling should be enough to take care of the heat. Assuming 2028 the consoles will be on 2nm by then as well.

Maybe 100 TFLOP is a bit much, but I'd wager 60 TFLOP plus should be achievable.

 

[Sosokrates]

Man... Makes current gens feel like ps4 pro 2 and xbox 1x 2.

Kinda sad. I blame Jenson.

 

[LazyParrot]

I remember going "Isn't this a bit early?" when all those bullshit hype war threads filled with people arguing about hypothetical specs, doing highly complex speculative jiggaflop math and declaring definite winners started showing up like a year before PS5 and XSX details were even announced. Now those consoles have barely been out for two years and shit's already starting again.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Both price and power consumption have increased for the consoles this generation as well. The launch PS4 was $399 and used around 150w for intensive games. The PS5 is $499 and uses 220w for intensive games.

A PS6 for $699 and using up to 280w is not outside the realm of possibility. Liquid metal plus vapor chamber cooling should be enough to take care of the heat. Assuming 2028 the consoles will be on 2nm by then as well.

Maybe 100 TFLOP is a bit much, but I'd wager 60 TFLOP plus should be achievable.

280w isn't going to net 100TF, lol. Let alone 50TF. Think man, think.

 

[Sosokrates]

Why not? The upcoming flagship card from AMD is going to just about hit 100 TFLOP and the PS6 is 5/6 years and 2 process shrinks away.

The Fury X was AMDs flagship card and launched just over 5 years before the PS5 launched and was 8.6 TFLOP. 5 years and two process shrinks later and it was handily surpassed by the consoles.

You kidding right, fury x is GCN, the series is the equivalent of 6gcn tflops and the xsx is 18 gcn tflops.
In terms of specs the consoles are good. But when we look at what lovelace can do, visuals like the racer demo looks like a proper next gen leap. I guess it takes 2 gens to get a proper leap now.

 

[Sosokrates]

How many tflops do we need for full 1440p ray tracing at 60fps? That is the next leap in graphics.

Like a 4090?

 

[CS Lurker]

We got to a point where I see more limitations coming from the software than the hardware.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You kidding right, fury x is GCN, the series is the equivalent of 6gcn tflops and the xsx is 18 gcn tflops.
In terms of specs the consoles are good. But when we look at what lovelace can do, visuals like the racer demo looks like a proper next gen leap. I guess it takes 2 gens to get a proper leap now.

It's... a.... tech demo. A cut scene, essentially.

People were doing amazing things with actual gameplay for Unity on hacked PS4Pro's, and we have yet to see those graphics even in the new more powerful gen we have now.

 

[N0S]

You know what word I hate more than toxic? INSANE

 

[Guilty_AI]

I'm so excited for the future of gaming!

*loads up Quake 2*

 

[Sosokrates]

It's... a.... tech demo. A cut scene, essentially.

People were doing amazing things with actual gameplay for Unity on hacked PS4Pro's, and we have yet to see those graphics even in the new more powerful gen we have now.

Even doing full path tracing, fluid and physics simulations in real time in a cutscene is impressive.

Even if a real game wont be as good I cant see it being far off considering the powah of the 4090!

 

[Jimmy_liv]

By 2026 at this rate developers will still be trying to crush games into the One X architecture and wondering why games look so much better on PC.

It's criminal that there are titles slated for a 2024 release which will support the VCR Xbox One.

 

[Zathalus]

280w isn't going to net 100TF, lol. Let alone 50TF. Think man, think.

And 450w won't net 100TF on 8nm. Think man, think.

You do realize how process node and architecture improvements result in lower power consumption? The XSX uses only 50w more power than a PS4 yet the XSX is 6.5x the compute capabilities.

Already RDNA3 has over 50% improvment on performance per watt versus RDNA2 and that is a mere single generation and one process node improvement. The next gen consoles are likely two process nodes and several generations of architectural improvements away.

As I said, 100 TF is optimistic, but 60+ seems likely.

 

[DeepEnigma]

And 450w won't net 100TF on 8nm. Think man, think.

You do realize how process node and architecture improvements result in lower power consumption? The XSX uses only 50w more power than a PS4 yet the XSX is 6.5x the compute capabilities.

Already RDNA3 has over 50% improvment on performance per watt versus RDNA2 and that is a mere single generation and one process node improvement. The next gen consoles are likely two process nodes and several generations of architectural improvements away.

As I said, 100 TF is optimistic, but 60+ seems likely.

I know how nodes work.

We will bookmark this thread for 5-6 years from now. I would like to be pleasantly surprised. I don't see it achievable unless ARM is introduced instead of x86 on an APU.

 

[PUNKem733]

We are getting 100-150 TF consoles in 2028 or 2029. IF PC GPUs are coming with that much in a year or so how on Earth isn't AT LEAST that much power going into a console 5-7 years later? Come on, we aren't getting 30-40 TF consoles LMAO!

 

[Stuart360]

Let's be honest, this generation will last longer than 2026.

It hasn't even started since people can't really get a console.

It will be 2028 at least before we get next gen consoles. In fact i wouldnt be surprised if its 2029/2030.

 

[SLB1904]

they can't even maximise the current ones

 

[bender]

We are getting 100-150 TF consoles in 2028 or 2029. IF PC GPUs are coming with that much in a year or so how on Earth isn't AT LEAST that much power going into a console 5-7 years later? Come on, we aren't getting 30-40 TF consoles LMAO!

Power envelope, consumer friendly pricing.

 

[Klik]

I think this gen is gonna be the longest since we will still have AAA crossgen games in 2023 and games with PS5/XsX in mind literally just started coming out and we STILL haven't seen true "next gen" graphics/physics/destruction/level design that would be powered by Ryzen/SSD.. Not to mention both PS5/Xbox are even widely available in stores yet..


I'm really excited to see how will VR look like in 2028+. I think VR is gonna a gamechanger, its really incredible,like you're actually inside a game..

 

[DenchDeckard]

we say this every generation....

lol, we will all be used to it by the time it rolls around and wait for the gen after.

 

[wOs]

I thought we didn't go by Tera flops anymore as an indicator?

 

[93xfan]

Pretty happy with what we have now. Wouldn’t mind a long gen like the 360, personally

 

[Kazekage1981]

they can't even maximise the current ones

What games have exclusively been developed for PS5 and Xbox Series X|S besides Tekken 8, Ratchet and Clank, Forza Motorsport 8 that utilize:

Zen 2/RDNA 2
SSD for texture streaming
Raytracing
HDR
FSR 2.0?

The current generation of Xbox Series X|S & PS5 will officially start late 2024.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Maybe Apple will create an awesome low power gaming gpu. If you see what they can do with the m2 chip or m1 ultra it’s crazy how much power they can put in such a low power chip. Imagine how much power the m5 could have when new consoles are announced.

Apple will never work together with Sony and ms on this of course but a man can dream .

iPhone money is like orders of magnitude more than console money, which is why apple can afford to buy-out all of the best fab tech for their chips.

 

[jshackles]

You know what matters more for next-generation consoles than graphical power? Availability.

 

[Beechos]

Flop this shit. As long as we need to cater to the masses, support legacy systems and the time and money it takes to make something look amazing. We're just going to see the same shit running running at a higher resolution/fps with ray tracing on everything.

 

[VAVA Mk2]

Gonna need a generator in the living room to power this shit.

Arc reactor

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

For $500-$600 (maybe even $700) next gen?

They will give us just 30-40TF (tops), and you're going to like it.

And yes, in the right hands, talented developers make these consoles shine.

Maybe more like 60 - 70 TF but yeah it's ultimately always going to come down to the talent.

I expect the PS6 to be around 50 tflops, and the leap in graphics to be smaller than between any other generation.

Maybe closer to 60 - 70 TF but I think that will come from a mix of GPU and HBM-PIM (Processing-In-Memory) technology, not just GPU.

Then again I'm adamant on chiplets, Big/Little CPU clusters (with lots of "little" CPU cores closer to memory for data locality), PIM memory and PNM technologies, full fat active interposers with wholly integrated data and decompression systems built-in, and HBM memory being the standard for 10th-gen in one way or another.

Problem is we need new types of gameplay and mechanics with all this extra horsepower. I'm tired of what is essentially the same games since the PS2 era, only with better graphics.

And for that we need huge leaps in CPU technology, plus maybe GPU compute technology.

Nah, we need full-body VR. Also AR.

Why not? The upcoming flagship card from AMD is going to just about hit 100 TFLOP and the PS6 is 5/6 years and 2 process shrinks away.

The Fury X was AMDs flagship card and launched just over 5 years before the PS5 launched and was 8.6 TFLOP. 5 years and two process shrinks later and it was handily surpassed by the consoles.

Trends of the past can't 100% be used for predicting what the future will bring. Smaller nodes are a lot more expensive. RAM prices haven't really been dropping like in the past. Power consumption targets for consumer electronic devices are more of a thing than in the past.

If the PS6 and NextBox can offer 2x raw TF compute of a 3090 then that would be fantastic and is probably around the realistic top end. But if they have big improvements in upscaling tech, ML tech, data locality management, data decompression technologies, CPU throughput and scalability, RAM capacity, etc., then being below whatever top-end Nvidia or AMD GPUs are available by the end of this year won't really matter.

 

[Fat Frog]

When Pixar?

This is a Pixar...

 

[SLB1904]

What games have exclusively been developed for PS5 and Xbox Series X|S besides Tekken 8, Ratchet and Clank, Forza Motorsport 8 that utilize:

Zen 2/RDNA 2
SSD for texture streaming
Raytracing
HDR
FSR 2.0?

The current generation of Xbox Series X|S & PS5 will officially start late 2024.

and only one game u listed is out

 

[arealhumanbean]

They will be great because of the one important factor - probably first time (?) in the modern console history there will be no resolution bump. I mean I TRULY HOPE SO. Nobody is stupid enough to push 8K, right?

 

[DeepEnigma]

They will be great because of the one important factor - probably first time (?) in the modern console history there will be no resolution bump. I mean I TRULY HOPE SO. Nobody is stupid enough to push 8K, right?

Oh they will.

 

[kyussman]

Lets hope game design evolves to match the tech......cos it's a bit fucking stale right now as far as I'm concerned.

 

[TonyK]

We will play at 8k or 200fps but without physics. I want realistic physics in each object in scene, that would be next gen for me. Ray tracing, more polygons in screen, better framerates and resolution are more of the same: PS3 games with better assets, lighting and IQ. We play remasters all the time even if they are new IPs.

I will buy a PS6 day one as I did with PS5, but I'm prepared to be disappointed again.

 

[Kikorin]

I'm not following pc hardware anymore, but putting these OP numbers in a Dragon Ball scheme of power, yes, seems pretty insane.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

This gen isn't even close to being halfway through...

 

[RoboFu]

No console is going to have a 550 w power draw lol.

 

[DeepEnigma]

We will play at 8k or 200fps but without physics. I want realistic physics in each object in scene, that would be next gen for me. Ray tracing, more polygons in screen, better framerates and resolution are more of the same: PS3 games with better assets, lighting and IQ. We play remasters all the time even if they are new IPs.

I will buy a PS6 day one as I did with PS5, but I'm prepared to be disappointed again.

Same. Realistic physics on almost every object would be "next gen" that this gen would be capable of, if it weren't for cross-gen at the moment. I am hoping Wolverine will be this way since those types of melee encounters screams for destruction of most objects on the screen.

 

[dreamcastluvr]

But imagine what PS8 gonna be, cant wait.

Bro, why you thinkin' bout PS8 when PS9 is clearly the GOAT



Comin' out in 2078- 1 year after Cyberpunk. Coincidence?

 

[Caio]

For $500-$600 (maybe even $700) next gen?

They will give us just 30-40TF (tops), and you're going to like it.

And yes, in the right hands, talented developers make these consoles shine.

Nah. In 2027 we will have much more power into a Next Gen Console, at least 70-80TF GPU. Mark my words, and quote me here in 2027 save the link.
Wait, I still don't have a PS5, but I already want a PS6 and Next XBox, ahh this is funny if you ask me.

 

[Guilhermegrg]

Prepare to be disappointed

 

[DeepEnigma]

Nah. In 2027 we will have much more power into a Next Gen Console, at least 70-80TF GPU. Mark my words, and quote me here in 2027 save the link.
Wait, I still don't have a PS5, but I already want a PS6 and Next XBox, ahh this is funny if you ask me.

Quoted. I hope you are right, but...

 

[Iced Arcade]

Relax. They barely launched this gen.

 

[darrylgorn]

Relax, we haven't even come yet this gen.

 

[NT80]

It will be 2028 at least before we get next gen consoles. In fact i wouldnt be surprised if its 2029/2030.

I think it'll be 2029/30 before there's a PS6. Something I've never seen before in previous generations is the price of a console going up 2 years after it released. Seems like the price of making powerful console is not going down over time in the way it did in previous generations. That and the really long cross gen period and lack of availability even now make me think this will be a 10 year console generation.