just waiting for how long it takes for ubisoft play to come xbox platform as an additional option.as a way to get games day one.
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just waiting for how long it takes for ubisoft play to come xbox platform as an additional option.as a way to get games day one.
FunkMiller
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Oh god, yeah. Amazon are the big unknown in all of this at the moment. I don't know if they've secured any day and date releases from anyone though. I'd be surprised if they have, but then Amazon can pay just about anything, so it's perfectly possible.
I can see most third party games still getting a standard release for the foreseeable future, with them dropping on Luna or GamePass three to six months afterwards. Kinda like cinema drops to blu ray in the same time scale.
Be prepared for Amazon to have locked down Ubisoft exclusively. They're making an awfully big deal of the new Ubi channel in the promo material for the Luna soft launch...
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pasterpl
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what are the $130 m2.2230 drives are you referring to? Quick eBay search showed me 512gb ones for around 130 GBP, I have bought 1tb one in May this year for over £200
WelshBluebird
Member
That is also such an extreme edge case in terms of users. Next to nobody will have two Series S/X consoles, let alone three.
Whilst the Microsoft way for this is better in your case, you really can't expect companies to cater for such a small minority of sales.
Nowcry
Member
As you end up paying $ 30 for the service per month, I prefer to buy video games little by little and take advantage of the sale prices + shared accounts.
Maybe I'll pay less and get the game I want when I want it.
AeneaGames
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Riky
$MSFT
I agree, but also taking your games to a friend's house on a little card, that's super convenient.
Mahavastu
Member
Around a month ago there was the info, that the games for boost mode do NOT get whitelisted but rather black listed.
In plain english that means that games will run in boost mode per default, but when people complain Sony can put games on the blacklist and enforce BC mode for these games.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I bought one myself for 100 Eur off Amazon earlier this year. 1 TB, yes.
demigod
Member
I’m pretty sure you can’t do this, someone correct me if I’m wrong.
When i bought the just dance songs on my nephew’s ps3 back then, it got tied to his PS3 even though it was on my account. Tried to play it on my PS3 and it didn’t work and I had to get a refund.
Edit : so its tied to primary account for digital on ps4, much more of a hassle to change than just have physical disc.
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Games Dean
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I have a question I'm hoping someone can answer. I plan on moving my ps4 games/saves to an external hard drive and I also bought the Pulse PS5 headset that connects through a usb dongle. I'm sure others will be doing the same. Which USBs ports should I use for the hard drive and the headset once the console comes out?
kyliethicc
Member
There are legit AMD testing leaks showing they were testing a 40 CU GPU @ 2.5 GHz drawing 170 W. And two 80 CU GPUs @ 2.05/2.2 GHz drawing 200 / 240 W.
We'll find out this month if any of that is legit going to discrete gaming cards.
Ptarmiganx2
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I guess if you don't have new titles to play, it's a cool feature. Number of old titles I replayed last gen: 0
Didn't stadia launch with a thing about possible having an ubisoft channel? Ubisoft will support ubisoft play across as many platforms as they can imo.
Found It https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/10/...vice-google-stadia-price-release-date-e3-2019
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kyliethicc
Member
On PS5? Just use the front USB port for the headset and/or charging controllers. Use the 2 back USB ports for any external drives, or any of the other stuff if you have a free port.
Dolomite
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Riky
$MSFT
I can, I just need to sign into my account. Plus if you take a disc you need to install the game still and patches, not with the digital version on a card.
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demigod
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I got bad news for you Chief. Those companies will still have to pay the MS proprietary tax.
kyliethicc
Member
1 - he never says lower priced options.
2 - he never says the current $220 card will drop in price
3 - proprietary accessories usually do not get price cuts.
Controllers, headsets, drives, cameras, etc - they usually stay the same price the entire life cycle of the console.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
You know what? You're fucking genius! You may be able to upgrade from Digital model to Disc version!
Garani
Member
Industrial cost for a few million XBox is going to be massively different than the instustrial cost for hundreds of millions units that can be used in PCs as well as PS5s.
saintjules
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SportsFan581
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360 expansion/replacement drive started at $120 for 20GB ($6 a GB) in 2005 and finished with 320GB at $100 in 2010 ($0.31 a GB). I don't think they ever sold a 500GB, but I could be wrong.
Metroiddarks
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The people who think the SSD on XSX/XSS will be much cheaper in some years should looks the price the controls of Xbox.
The good of the option of PS5 the price can drop very fast in a couple of years, the advantage of XSX/XSS is simpler to install.
Ok but now compare to a similar drive in the market.
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kyliethicc
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I highly doubt it. Sony could just tweak the designs to make adding a drive impossible. Or just disable it via the system firmware. Like how Nintendo disabled the Switch Lite's USB-C port's ability to transmit video out. It could, but cannot.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I don't think any PS5 compatible SSD model is going to be made in the hundreds of millions.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Why not? You can sell the disc drive for like $100-150, then sell the plate for like $10-20. It's even more profitable.
Garani
Member
It's actually the other way around: M.2 NVMEs for PCI4 will be in the hundreds of million of PCs. And then used by PS5 as well.
kyliethicc
Member
So you're expecting a 16 TB Xbox SSD card in 2025 for $200 ?
Dolomite
Member
Yeah, you've managed to completely miss the saving grace of that tweet: other companies will offer drives for the X/S in the future.
Other...non-Seagate companies. Companies that can produce thier own expandable drives with similar or completely different form factors, and sell it for whatever price they want.
Seagate drive is proprietary, as MS planned ahead wanted a day one option. Not the only drive we'll see this gen
kyliethicc
Member
Because Sony do not want digital PS5s to be able to play discs. Thats the entire point of it lol.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Trust me, they'll be getting money either way, and scoring more by making such a move.
kyliethicc
Member
All of the drives for the Xbox will be proprietary. They are custom and only usable for the Xbox. Nothing else. Its an entirely custom proprietary solution. The drives, the form factor, the port.
jimbojim
Banned
Other sizes in capacity ( like it was for PSVita ) surely will exists, but it will still be a proprietary SSD and therefore higher priced.
As a reminder , PS Vitas 64 GB card was over 120$ for years when handheld was still available on the market
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Dolomite
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I don't manage the internal overhead of any company's R&D budget friend. Hell of I care what they pay to produce, I enjoy options.
Also let's not act like 3rd party memory cards are some alien concept that Gen 9 ushered in from the future
the shit I've seen hanging out of PS2's back in the day
whew
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kyliethicc
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No. They'd lose lots of money allowing used games to be played on their otherwise digital only box. Its not about the cost of the console. Its about eliminating used games and guaranteeing digital game sales.
ethomaz
Banned
That is actually good news if it really happens lol
The price will still be higher than similar PC parts like any other proprietary format.
Just think how many SSDs they will produce per month to Xbox only use? Versus how many 1TB 7GB/s SSDs it will be produced per month for all devices that uses M.2?
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SportsFan581
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Oh, they were more.
I just think that most are convinced that high-end PCIe4 drives are going to free-fall in price sometime soon, which is a mistake IMO. The SSD market works in tiers, most of the money is made on the high margin products at the top of the stack with most of the sales going to lower-margin products and OEM specialty products. 7GBs PCIe4 will remain at the top of the stack until it is replaced by PCIe5. A flood of budget PCIe4 drives are coming, but none will be fast enough for use in the PS5. When budget PCIe5 drives launch, those might be fast enough for PS5 while hitting the budget price points.
kyliethicc
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The PS5 uses stock PC internal Gen4 M2 drives (4 diff form factors 2230, 2242, 2260, 2280).
If there are a hundred million PS5s sold (likely) and then add in all PCs, there are literally hundreds of millions of customers for these drive manufactures to sell to.
Its quite likely.
SportsFan581
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I don't know if the trend will be quite that sharp. But, I can see them maintaining price but increasing storage capacity, both on the consoles and the expansion cards.
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
Yep, I will justify the cost of a 1 or 2TB SSD for my PS5 knowing that when 4TB becomes realistic I can throw thr old one in a PC.
I wonder how long before a manufacturer releases a product that lets you insert any m2 drive into a device that then fits the Xbox port. Or if that's even technically possible?
sircaw
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just watch Alexs face when you watch that , don't take your eyes of him till you see the word triple hahaah.
What is that? gulp.
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Dolomite
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Games Dean
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Sounds good, thanks. I wasn't sure as the two ports on the back are 10 gb/s and the one on the front isn't.
ethomaz
Banned
My bad... it was $130 on newegg the 512MB... this M.2 2230 is a bit inflated in price because you can't find it in the market (there is very few companies producing it).
The others options 2242, 2260 and 2280 are all cheaper and you can find 1TB with compatible speeds at $130.
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Handy Fake
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Have a think about it.
Nowcry
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Bo_Hazem
I think that the security of the system will verify that the BD reader is missing and if it cannot recognize it, nothing will start.As you say, Sony does not care that any console plays things but security against the Scene is something that matters since it would break its base of the business.
I think it would be impossible to start from the PS5 Standart without the BD reader perfectly installed and with its firmware fully validated by the security software.
And look, that seems like a good idea. However if they wanted they could put a USB reader for $ 100 on sale later and make even more $$$$.
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