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[Handy Fake]

Agreed. The PlayStation 3 required the user to use a screwdriver to slide out the PS3's HDD caddy and swap in a new one.

I managed to do it just fine. And I was 12.

My brother replaced the one in his PS4 using a cutlery knife. It was like watching someone perform an autopsy on a loved one with a spoon.

 

[Riky]

The card format for Xbox is far better for me, there will be at least three Series consoles in my house, being able to have what I'm playing on an easily detachable card and just take it from machine to machine will be a massive advantage.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Because so many were demanding Sony to give this piece of beauty to amateur youtubers to tear it down. Guess what? It's more elegant, and much more plausible to give the honor to someone who's spent sweat and tears designing the thing instead of giving it to some click-baiting amateurs. We get to know one of the guys behind it, do we know that on Xbox? Only if you're googling it. It's a matter of paying respect for the people who put their hard time to make such a thing.

Dude you just sound so aggro about something and you have no clue if anyone involved wants it any other way lol

The XSX design team was in the DF video weren't they? DF went to MS for that.. the whole thing involved the design team.

 

[kyliethicc]

My brother replaced the one in his PS4 using a cutlery knife. It was like watching someone perform an autopsy on a loved one with a spoon.

Oh my. You should have stopped him, give the kid a screwdriver lol

 

[Garani]

Same price but PS5 SSDs offer twice the performance ....

And it has potential to drop in price over time due to competition. The XBox solution will not have the same market pressure.

 

[FranXico]

Everyone knows Sony killed SEGA.

Wasn’t it MS that killed Sega?

No.

SEGA killed SEGA (Peter Moore pulled the plug).

Microsoft fed on its corpse (Peter Moore joined MS).

 

[FranXico]

Damn, so awkward. I feel for John here as all the others reacted like Sony is a dirty word not to be said in DF towers. I hope John's punishment isn't too harsh.

I'd love to know if they really have fell out with Sony and will have to just buy their own PS5's for tests.

John deserves better. That's all I'll say about that.

 

[sircaw]

Its not that triple, what does that mean? i just had an afternoon nap i am old and not functioning correctly.

Help an old-timer out?

 

[Lynyrd]

Damn, so awkward. I feel for John here as all the others reacted like Sony is a dirty word not to be said in DF towers. I hope John's punishment isn't too harsh.

I'd love to know if they really have fell out with Sony and will have to just buy their own PS5's for tests.

I don't think so, no media have access to a PS5 right now, what would they have to buy their own? It's like NVIDIA with their launch, the closest it gets, more chances to have review units.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Dude you just sound so aggro about something and you have no clue if anyone involved wants it any other way lol

The XSX design team was in the DF video weren't they? DF went to MS for that.. the whole thing involved the design team.

Didn't see them, are they transparent?

 

[chonga]

Its not that triple, what does that mean? i just had an afternoon nap i am old and not functioning correctly.

Help an old-timer out?

 

[sircaw]

The video you posted had all kinds of nonsense steps. You do need a screwdriver to remove a small metal plate securing the SSD tho, but that's it.

Basically the same thing as replacing the hdd in a PS4

You go girl, and if people don't take heed, just roll over them.

That will work, trust me.

Nice to see you up and about, world hunger might not be happy but you know, you cant have it all.

Did you enjoy the breakdown, was pretty awesome yer?

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

John deserves better. That's all I'll say about that.

What I don't get is that Sony have been silent with everyone, not just DF. We've all been frustrated with Sony's drip feeding of info the last 18 months.

I guess this is what happens when another platform spoils you rotten....

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Didn't see them, are they transparent?

I never would've guessed that WHO presented the teardowns would be a talking point.

My bingo sheet doesn't even have that square...

 

[kyliethicc]

Are your sure that "Gamepass only" does not include XBLive?
I know it did not before, but at the ONL Gamescom event was a Gamepass (not ultimate) advertising which says "All benefits of XBox Live Gold".

Below a timestamped video, with the XBox Live Gold claim at 2:15:55

Thats an ad for Game Pass Ultimate. They just don't put the word ultimate in the ad cause they don't technically need too.

That ad is saying "Gams Pass" inlcudes GP, GP PC, Xcloud, EA play, XBLG. Thats only true about the $15/month Ultimate tier.

Regular $10/month Game Pass is just Game Pass, thats it. No GP PC, no XBLG, no EA play, no Xcloud.

 

[Lysandros]

He is trying to find a happy place in his mind.

 

[FunkMiller]

Damn, so awkward. I feel for John here as all the others reacted like Sony is a dirty word not to be said in DF towers. I hope John's punishment isn't too harsh.

I'd love to know if they really have fell out with Sony and will have to just buy their own PS5's for tests.

They don’t get free shit from Sony.

That’s it. That’s what buys you positive bias with these people. Just send them your stuff for nothing, and you get their support.

And don’t reply with some lame justification or excuse, Xbox fans. I’d be saying this if it were Sony lavishing gifts on everyone, and Microsoft not doing so. This isn’t about the consoles, it’s about a bunch of amateurs on YouTube who can’t be trusted, thanks to their complete inability to remain independent, and refuse freebies.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I never would've guessed that WHO presented the teardowns would be a talking point.

My bingo sheet doesn't even have that square...

It's not a huge deal, but it gives better impression. Think representing yourself in a suit or beach outfit. You get nearly the same idea, but impression isn't the same.

 

[Dabaus]

This probably could be its own thread but one of my thoughts going into next gen in regards to third parties and sales is this...What happens when (Probably) the majority of early adopters of xbox buyers dont buy new launch games or post launch because they have gamespass instead? What is the long term ramifications for third parties going forward if there is a wide split not just in hardware sales, but also software sales?

 

[SportsFan581]

This probably could be its own thread but one of my thoughts going into next gen in regards to third parties and sales is this...What happens when (Probably) the majority of early adopters of xbox buyers dont buy new launch games or post launch because they have gamespass instead? What is the long term ramifications for third parties going forward if there is a wide split not just in hardware sales, but also software sales?

If someone had a real intention of buying a game day and date, they will do that. Most 3rd-party games never hit GP, so in the larger scheme of things, waiting for a game to hit there is dicey. Does GP lower first-day sales for MS first-party, absolutely. They just value the steady revenue from millions of users more. Another point is that most of the large publishers have released (or will release) their own day and date subscription services, they also prefer this model at the end of the day.

 

[TrackZ]

Agreed. The PlayStation 3 required the user to use a screwdriver to slide out the PS3's HDD caddy and swap in a new one.

I managed to do it just fine. And I was 12.

I'd also rather not have things hanging off or further breaking for the form factor of the console. So fully installing expansion items inside the enclosure is much nicer. I appreciated with the PS4 vs. Xbox One.

 

[HAL-01]

Watching this man work that PS5 feels like watching John Wick disassembling a gun

 

[FunkMiller]

This probably could be its own thread but one of my thoughts going into next gen in regards to third parties and sales is this...What happens when (Probably) the majority of early adopters of xbox buyers dont buy new launch games or post launch because they have gamespass instead? What is the long term ramifications for third parties going forward if there is a wide split not just in hardware sales, but also software sales?

I’d imagine third parties aren’t going to want anything to do with day and date GamePass releases. It’d cost them way too much profit.

Not an issue, I don’t think.

First party sales will be non existent, but they obviously won’t care about that.

 

[BatSu]

 

[jimbojim]

X|S storage options are way expensive compared to the same off the shelf parts.
PS5 storage options are the same price as off the shelf parts.

Off the self parts for PS5 will probably cost the same as the storage options for X|S even being twice faster.

The trend in production for off the shelf parts price go down is way higher than the X|S storage options.

Cool Cool.... So same price as the X/S expansion cards.

And it has potential to drop in price over time due to competition. The XBox solution will not have the same market pressure.

Yep, XSX/S storage will be always more expensive because it's proprietary. PS5 is mainstream. And already for basically at the same price you can get over 2x performance over XSX/S SSD - 980 Pro. Also, when other companies will announce their, prices will go down. Few months ago Sabrent announced their SSD which is faster than 980 Pro.

Sabrent Crushes Samsung At Their Own Game: Builds World's Fastest M.2 SSD

Sabrent gave Samsung two days of glory, and crushed them

www.tomshardware.com

We will see what Kingston, Sandisk, Crucial have to announce hopefully.

 

[dwish]

This probably could be its own thread but one of my thoughts going into next gen in regards to third parties and sales is this...What happens when (Probably) the majority of early adopters of xbox buyers dont buy new launch games or post launch because they have gamespass instead? What is the long term ramifications for third parties going forward if there is a wide split not just in hardware sales, but also software sales?

Either they will put their games on gamepass too, or stop releasing on Xbox?

 

[Dabaus]

If someone had a real intention of buying a game day and date, they will do that. Most 3rd-party games never hit GP, so in the larger scheme of things, waiting for a game to hit there is dicey. Does GP lower first-day sales for MS first-party, absolutely. They just value the steady revenue from millions of users more. Another point is that most of the large publishers have released (or will release) their own day and date subscription services, they also prefer this model at the end of the day.

What im saying is xbox early adopters probably also use gamespass. What im saying is these early adopters are probably less likely to buy new third party games day one. I dont have data on that but thats what would make sense. For example say watch dogs 3 or whatever comes out and it does 80:20 on ps5 vs xbox. Well not only does the game sell worse between the two but ps5 also has a larger installed base because of increased poduction and manufacturing. Whats the long term ramifications? Microsoft cant buy every publisher to choke sales off from playstation.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

They don’t get free shit from Sony.

That’s it. That’s what buys you positive bias with these people. Just send them your stuff for nothing, and you get their support.

And don’t reply with some lame justification or excuse, Xbox fans. I’d be saying this if it were Sony lavishing gifts on everyone, and Microsoft not doing so. This isn’t about the consoles, it’s about a bunch of amateurs on YouTube who can’t be trusted, thanks to their complete inability to remain independent, and refuse freebies.

I think the free stuff thing is a small part of the issue in this case to be honest. Sony have clearly stood back in engaging with the game media across the board the last couple of years (more like Nintendo have been for years) for whatever reasons.

At the same time Microsoft have up their engagement even more, especially as we've seen with DF. On the other hand it doesn't mean it is all good when even Timdog has the mobile number of a Microsoft executive!

 

[iamvin22]

So much trolling...

You do realize that's not an official Xbox account?!?

 

[B_Boss]

Craig is supposed to be on that monitor in the background . I’m loving all the humor from both gaming sides .

 

[AeneaGames]

You go girl, and if people don't take heed, just roll over them.

That will work, trust me.

Nice to see you up and about, world hunger might not be happy but you know, you cant have it all.

Did you enjoy the breakdown, was pretty awesome yer?

Yeah was really nice to see the innards! Looks to be crazy well designed.

It was very like I expected a Sony tear down to be, haha, tho a bit better perhaps even, good to see the surprising things they did, that massive heatsink, wowzer!

But as I predicted nothing really new was learned from this, people asked for a teardown but what I, and probably people asking for it, really want is more tech info. Hoping for a nice tech interview article soon!

And I am assuming that for you this sealed the deal to go PS5, huh? Can't fry you on this thing...

 

[ToadMan]

Does the speed have any value to the consumer? If not, then the fact that the Samsung 980 Pro is twice as fast as the seagate expansion drive is irrelevant.

It has a value to the customer insofar as

1) They need those speeds to ensure PS5 compatibility and

2) If they decide, they may remove the expansion SSD from the PS5 and use it in another device.

So sure, consumers will both want and need that speed, and should feel content they’re getting the general purpose technology at market value.

 

[MrS]

Just imagine, man. This is gonna be a wonderful gen! I wanted the MGSV console, but not gonna buy a console for gimmicks!

Of all the phenomenal PS ip, why da fuq would you want Spiderman, Bo? Gimme some Death Stranding/Bloodborne/GoW/TLOU plates fam

 

[jonnyp]

You know - just because Cerny said it doesn't mean its true - or its a half true/lie - perhaps they ran in to combability issues with BC games.

In a couple of weeks we will probably see 2,5Ghz 80 CUs RDNA2 gpus working fine.

2.5 GHz 80 CU GPU? Sounds like something AdoredTV has dragged out of his ass again.

 

[sircaw]

Yep very very happy, the system just looks so premium to me.

And yes that heat sink was massive, saying that it looks so cool. I know, that was cheesy.

Maybe we get the UI first look soon, that would be great to see.

Other than that, i am extremely happy and i won't be boiled sitting on top of it.

 

[jimbojim]

So, this is thread worthy. I knew i saw some numbers in SSD slot during PS5 teardown video. Looks like PS5 will support all kind of Nvme SSDs

Maybe slower ones in SSD slot would be good for PS4 games.

Up to 22110 maybe???

 

[SportsFan581]

What im saying is xbox early adopters probably also use gamespass. What im saying is these early adopters are probably less likely to buy new third party games day one. I dont have data on that but thats what would make sense. For example say watch dogs 3 or whatever comes out and it does 80:20 on ps5 vs xbox. Well not only does the game sell worse between the two but ps5 also has a larger installed base because of increased poduction and manufacturing. Whats the long term ramifications? Microsoft cant buy every publisher to choke sales off from playstation.

The same thing happens that always happens, the players that want watch dogs 3 and think it is worth $60/$70 will buy it. Once the price drops to $40 the next wave of buyers comes along, and so on. MS will have the smaller userbase and will sell less software by default. There isn't much added expense for third-parties that release on Xbox and PC, the PC variant will be built around the same technologies maybe even using the Xbox GDK. It is what it is. Only one console can be number one, third-parties will still release on the smaller platforms too.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Well sure.. it's a cost thing.. but I'm not entirely sure what that has to do with my question.

Maybe the PS5 RAW speed is only with all 12 channels lit up, so a 7GB/second 4 channel is enough to make up for that? Since it can access 4 files simultaneously at a much higher speed than PS5 can, and only needs to "catch up" when PS5 accesses more than 4 files at a time?

I honestly don't really know how this shit works lol

Nope, more channels are mantadory for premium SSD's. Less channels, more heat generated as data gets cramped, more throttling. 12 channels per 12 chips makes PS5's SSD the best in the planet so far, mated with 6 priority levels instead of 2, so you can make 6 different orders and data could be scattered in different chips but it's a non-issue as it's a relation of 1:1 ratio. Cheap, low budget NVMe m.2 SSD's have 4-channel, high-end have 8-channel, yet they lag behind as well with only 2 priority levels.

So even Samsung 980 7GB/s is a downgrade compared to PS5's internal SSD and the I/O needs to make up for it and it's prone to throttling.

 

[3liteDragon]

2.5 GHz 80 CU GPU? Sounds like something AdoredTV has dragged out of his ass again.

More like 2.1-2.2GHz, RGT said it’s the 40 CU GPU that’s apparently clocking as high as 2.5GHz.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Of all the phenomenal PS ip, why da fuq would you want Spiderman, Bo? Gimme some Death Stranding/Bloodborne/GoW/TLOU plates fam

Just an example, you lovely wanker.

 

[jonnyp]

More like 2.1-2.2GHz, RGT said it’s the 40 CU GPU that’s apparently clocking as high as 2.5GHz.

Which is a lot more believable

 

[AeneaGames]

This probably could be its own thread but one of my thoughts going into next gen in regards to third parties and sales is this...What happens when (Probably) the majority of early adopters of xbox buyers dont buy new launch games or post launch because they have gamespass instead? What is the long term ramifications for third parties going forward if there is a wide split not just in hardware sales, but also software sales?

Many people forget that even tho GamePass is a great deal it doesn't include any of the big third party games.

 

[pasterpl]

You will understand the point soon or late.
You will have options for PS5 cheaper than what you will have on X|S.

You will pay less for a better (faster) product.
Plus you can use the SSD in any PC/notebook with M.2 slot... it is not something you will lose the investiment.

MS solution is like PS Vita SD solution... expensive, hard to find and only works on Vita (I have one 128GB and it is useless now).

ms solution is similar to market price for ssd‘s with similar firm form factor (m2.2230)

 

[demigod]

let’s call it the “MS proprietary tax”

Fixed for you.

 

[amstradcpc]

2.5 GHz 80 CU GPU? Sounds like something AdoredTV has dragged out of his ass again.

News comes from new AMD drivers info dump.

 

[ethomaz]

ms solution is similar to market price for ssd‘s with similar firm form factor (m2.2230)

You can find similar 1TB SSD m2.2230 with similar speeds at $130 or lower.
MS solution has the same price than a PCI-E 4.0 7GB/s 1TB 980 Pro.

Almost 100% increase in price with the proprietary tax.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

lol I love how awkward it got in that Digital Foundry stream when John said he heard great things about the PS5 from developers. No comment from Alex, Richard, Tom and the other guy. None whatsoever. Not even a "Interesting!", "surprising"... they didnt even bother to try and get more good info from John.

Surely if you are doing a subscriber special, you would want to get some more NDA info for your subscribers. It almost looks like they are not happy that the devs are happy with the PS5. So awkward.

It is a bit strange I suppose. The message that plenty of people have been trying to get across over here, and elsewhere, is certainly the difference between the two consoles isn't what's been hyped to hell and back. Multi-platform games Series X will have an edge, but that's probably it at best. Just an edge. It's also possible that John knows something that we don't. Maybe PS5 could edge out Series X in a few cases? All I know is that both these consoles are basically high-end gaming rigs. Fanboys on either side should be stoked, but of course they're waiting on pins and needles for Digital Foundry to do their first comparison.

MY CONSOLE IS BETTER CAUSE IT DIGITAL FOUNDRY SAYS IT HAS MORE PIXELS WHEN YOU ZOOM IN. YOU ARE DUMB FOR BUYING THAT OTHER CONSOLE.

Thus one side commits seppuku and the other takes the podium and proclaims victory.

 

[Aceofspades]

Can I get a PS5 + vacuum cleaner bundle pls

Not this time but I have heard you can get XSX + fire starter kit

 

[AeneaGames]

I’d imagine third parties aren’t going to want anything to do with day and date GamePass releases. It’d cost them way too much profit.

Not an issue, I don’t think.

First party sales will be non existent, but they obviously won’t care about that.

That Amazon streaming device includes Ubisoft games with additional cost of the Ubisoft channel I think they called it.

I suspect that Amazon is going to try to get the other publishers their own channels there as well for which you will have to pay additional money each month.

Am sure MS is going to try doing the same. They already have EA included with the ultimate version of GP but nothing is preventing them to add additional publishers at additional costs.

 

[scie]

This probably could be its own thread but one of my thoughts going into next gen in regards to third parties and sales is this...What happens when (Probably) the majority of early adopters of xbox buyers dont buy new launch games or post launch because they have gamespass instead? What is the long term ramifications for third parties going forward if there is a wide split not just in hardware sales, but also software sales?

But this is a general problem. Beside from Switch games every other game will come down in price really quick. From a business side of view there is no sense in buying a game day one or preorder besides helping the developers. If someone just waits for 1 month you can easily save at least 10 bucks. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but it is true