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[IntentionalPun]

Bad news, chief

Can't find any quote of this guy saying other companies.

But what other 'form factor" could the thing even come in?

Maybe they can make a cheaper / longer one?

Either way a licensed console accessory is always going to be more expensive.. the licensing being a part of that, and just the fact they are proprietary in any way.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Oh, they were more.

I just think that most are convinced that high-end PCIe4 drives are going to free-fall in price sometime soon, which is a mistake IMO. The SSD market works in tiers, most of the money is made on the high margin products at the top of the stack with most of the sales going to lower-margin products and OEM specialty products. 7GBs PCIe4 will remain at the top of the stack until it is replaced by PCIe5. A flood of budget PCIe4 drives are coming, but none will be fast enough for use in the PS5. When budget PCIe5 drives launch, those might be fast enough for PS5 while hitting the budget price points.

Will be not soon but will happen against something which we believe Xbox will have decent prices.

The advantage in general for a console in its early years is the price-performance relationship but with pass of the
years a PC can reach and overcome that, that is the good of have parts where a multiple companies made the same thing,
because even if you have another companies aside the corsair the problem is the device only works for that console instead a
PCI4 NVME m.2 like the PS5 is generic, in the case of lowering the price you cannot win against all the market.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

[/QUOTE]

Bad news, chief

In which way? I didn't read the word cheaper anywhere.

 

[danielJackson]

I agree, but also taking your games to a friend's house on a little card, that's super convenient.

Assuming it works at all.

Current gen usb hdds work only in the system they were formatted/installed, right?

Sounds like licencing nightmare if that would work.

Just copy games to card, sell for random people to play offline etc

 

[SportsFan581]

Can't find any quote of this guy saying other companies.

But what other 'form factor" could the thing even come in?

Maybe they can make a cheaper / longer one?

I guess they could make a much larger drive and attach via a short cable to the expansion slot. A few NVMe SSDs in SATA sized casing connecting to m.2 via ribbon have already been shown, so I guess that is possible. Probably just a 2280 sized card at a lower price though.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

We all make jokes about the XSX all the time. Is PS5 suddenly off the table for some people because its their favorite plastic box?

Jesus, calm down. It's not a persecution to make jokes. Maybe its just funny to them. And the PS5 is officially the biggest console ever. That's okay. Tech looks amazing.

Get over yourself.

Jokes are ok from you and other people that we know they make jokes for laughs. But we all know that hairy ball is a sleazy one.

 

[user1337]

What the heck. I go away for a few hours and Sony spills the beans on its internals. I should clearly go away more often.

Side note: what a friggin behemoth of a heatsink. Love the combination with liquid metal TIM and massive fan going across both sides of the system.

 

[Riky]

Assuming it works at all.

Current gen usb hdds work only in the system they were formatted/installed, right?

Sounds like licencing nightmare if that would work.

Just copy games to card, sell for random people to play offline etc

It already works on Xbox One, I have an external SSD with my games on, I take it from machine to machine. As long as my account is signed in then everything works fine.

 

[Jose92]

it seems it is even bigger

As some know actually cache takes a big chunk of die area so there could actually be infinity cache in it

 

[dotnotbot]

Ouch, Xbox removed that sassy tweet about how do you put XSX in horizontal position.

 

[JTCx]

Ouch, Xbox removed that sassy tweet about how do you put XSX in horizontal position.

Good riddance because that shit look stupid sideways

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Wasn’t it MS that killed Sega?

No. Sony killed SEGA. Xbox is Dreamcast 2 which makes Series X|S Dreamcast 5. Everyone knows this as well.

 

[chonga]

Be prepared for Amazon to have locked down Ubisoft exclusively. They're making an awfully big deal of the new Ubi channel in the promo material for the Luna soft launch...

Because there's fuck all else to promote.

 

[Axonometri]

How much you want to bet, Xbox brings new SSD cards that have a big fat heat sink built in?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Ouch, Xbox removed that sassy tweet about how do you put XSX in horizontal position.

Sad. That was a really great tweet. Phil probably trying to shut down console wars stuff I guess.

 

[Entroyp]

No. Sony killed SEGA. Xbox is Dreamcast 2 which makes Series X|S Dreamcast 5. Everyone knows this as well.

Not in my book. I will always hold MS accountable for killing the Dreamcast. Without the Xbox , Dreamcast would have survived and the world will have been a better place.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Not in my book. I will always hold MS accountable for killing the Dreamcast. Without the Xbox , Dreamcast would have survived and the world will have been a better place.

Dreamcast died long before Xbox came out. Know your history.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

 

[Zathalus]

Not in my book. I will always hold MS accountable for killing the Dreamcast. Without the Xbox , Dreamcast would have survived and the world will have been a better place.

Dreamcast was discontinued 8 months before the Xbox even launched.

 

[dotnotbot]

Sad. That was a really great tweet. Phil probably trying to shut down console wars stuff I guess.

There was a huge amount of backfire in the comments. It just made them look silly in eyes of everyone except the core fanboys.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Be prepared for Amazon to have locked down Ubisoft exclusively. They're making an awfully big deal of the new Ubi channel in the promo material for the Luna soft launch...

Eh.. Ubisoft also partners with Stadia, and Epic Game Store.. and everyone under the sun who gives them any sort of deal (anyone but Valve basically.)

There's no way they'd go exclusive to anything.

 

[PSX]

Ouch, Xbox removed that sassy tweet about how do you put XSX in horizontal position.

Fanboys here trying to tell me how I was triggered pointed at me, the funny part was Xbox trigger at PS5 Teardown video

The universe listened and brought them to justice "karma".

 

[B_Boss]

This is how you be a Samurai, respect your clan, give the teardown honor to a true engineer, and not anyone, Yasuhiro Ootori, VP, Mechanical Design Department, Hardware Design Division at Sony Interactive Entertainment. Not some amateur youtuber expert-wannabe.

And really appreciate that it was represented in Japanese, makes it even more epic!

I love that Ootori-san is doing it again. While he did not do the Pro’s teardown, he did the launch PS4 and he was the Director at the time in 2013. Now he’s the VP . Definitely moved up lol.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I really don't care either way, it's all highly customized and knowing Sony it should be highly performant and they'll put out great games on it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Somebody explain the following to me:
We all assume that the PS5 will perform roughly the same as the Series X, but with reduced resolution and possibly a little less ray tracing.

For this, Sony has chosen a chip that is clocked higher, that needs better cooling, the liquid metal cooling of which took two years to develop, plus an I / O that can deliver incredible performance and all for a manufacturing price almost the same as the Series X.

Why all the effort when you could have it almost as strong or even stronger, for the same financial commitment (like Series X)?

Less expensive, better yields, better performance, and room for future PS5 Pro 72CU chiplet.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh god. It’s happened. We’ve fallen through a wormhole into the Bizarro universe.

 

[kyliethicc]

it seems it is even bigger

As some know actually cache takes a big chunk of die area so there could actually be infinity cache in it

So the PS5 die has 40 CUs and an 8 core CPU, plus their I/O and audio units, and a 256 bit bus, all in ~ 300 mm^2 die. Imagine how small it could be if it didn't have the 8 CPUs in the same die.

The rumor is the Big Navi die is over 500 mm^2, 80 CUs and the big cache, but same 256 bit bus and no CPU of course.

I think its safe to say a lot of the PS5 die is not the GPU CUs. Could be cache, or the I/O unit and the audio engine just take up a lot of die space. And clearly a lot of Big Navi's huge die will be cache or fixed function units, if its really over 500 mm for a GPU.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

As RedGamingTech mentioned a while back, the Github data was really old even at the time of the leak, apparently several of the GPU's features were disabled when running the tests because apparently they weren't functioning properly (thanks to AMD), again this was very early in development and at the time the chips were just in there primitive stage, so it's extremely flawed to bring those up just because the Oberon chip was mentioned, these chips go through several revisions and this was also the case with the Xbox.

 

[silent head]

it seems it is even bigger

As some know actually cache takes a big chunk of die area so there could actually be infinity cache in it

So there is 40 mm² that isn't anything that xbox consoles haveThats more than 13% of die

Xbox series s = 190mm²
PS5 = 306/308mm²
Xbox series x = 360mm²

 

[kyliethicc]

As RedGamingTech mentioned a while back, the Github data was really old even at the time of the leak, apparently several of the GPU's features were disabled when running the tests because apparently they weren't functioning properly (thanks to AMD), again this was very early in development and at the time the chips were just in there primitive stage, so it's extremely flawed to bring those up just because the Oberon chip was mentioned, these chips go through several revisions and this was also the case with the Xbox.

Exactly. For example, the PS5 devkit had 6 small fans. The final retail PS5 has 1 large fan. Its almost as if development hardware is not final hardware and changes before being finalized and sold.

 

[chigstoke]

Not in my book. I will always hold MS accountable for killing the Dreamcast. Without the Xbox , Dreamcast would have survived and the world will have been a better place.

Well that is just completely wrong.

The DC was discontinued quite a while before the Xbox even released. Various factors contributed to the downfall and you'll commonly see the lack of EA Sports and DVD as just two of the reasons.

But Xbox was certainly not one of them.

An incredibly revolutionary console, ahead of it's time.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

As RedGamingTech mentioned a while back, the Github data was really old even at the time of the leak, apparently several of the GPU's features were disabled when running the tests because apparently they weren't functioning properly (thanks to AMD), again this was very early in development and at the time the chips were just in there primitive stage, so it's extremely flawed to bring those up just because the Oberon chip was mentioned, these chips go through several revisions and this was also the case with the Xbox.

Dam it's crazy how much I quote RGT!

 

[kyliethicc]

So there is 40 mm² that isn't anything that xbox consoles haveThats more than 13% of die

Xbox series s = 190mm²
PS5 = 306/308mm²
Xbox series x = 360mm²

PS5 has that big I/O unit on die and the tempest engine. But it could have some other stuff on die, who knows.

 

[Tripolygon]

Dave Lee approves.

 

[sircaw]

Serious question here but why does Microsoft not have a USB type c port on their console?

Is the thing to expensive or something, why would you not want to future proof your console, i am struggling to understand why it is missing?

 

[Mahavastu]

Dam it's crazy how much I quote RGT!

yes Paul *duck and running*

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Good riddance because that shit look stupid sideways

Yeah if Xbox had simply made their logo symmetrical both ways the console would look a lot better in horizontal. The logo being weird looking in horizontal position would drive me nuts lol

 

[Metroiddarks]

I really don't care either way, it's all highly customized and knowing Sony it should be highly performant and they'll put out great games on it.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

So no camera port which means they did away with the proprietary camera plug. So I guess the new HD camera is probably USB3?

 

[Jaguar Victory]

Can't find any quote of this guy saying other companies.

But what other 'form factor" could the thing even come in?

Maybe they can make a cheaper / longer one?

Either way a licensed console accessory is always going to be more expensive.. the licensing being a part of that, and just the fact they are proprietary in any way.

Looks like Greenberg cosigned

 

[kyliethicc]

Yeah if Xbox had simply made their logo symmetrical both ways the console would look a lot better in horizontal. The logo being weird looking in horizontal position would drive me nuts lol

Thats why the PS3 logo rotated. Details.

 

[reksveks]

Serious question here but why does Microsoft not have a USB type c port on their console?

Is the thing to expensive or something, why would you not want to future proof your console, i am struggling to understand why it is missing?

Type c Isn't needed for a 3.1 gen1 USB port, really debatable for 3.1 gen2. The type a to c cable ain't going to disappear soon.

 

[reksveks]

So no camera port which means they did away with the proprietary camera plug. So I guess the new HD camera is probably USB3?

Yeah, I think you can ask for an adaptor as far as I remember

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Yeah, I think you can ask for an adaptor as far as I remember

Oh if I'm using the old one? I did order the new one along with the ps5

 

[kyliethicc]

This guys old job was repairing consoles. His take on the PS5 teardown is pretty interesting. He likes the dust catcher & vacuum holes. Also he makes 2 good points.

1 - the PS5 is mostly the heatsink. If they lower power draw with a die shrink, they can reduce the heatsink and make the console smaller. So a PS5 slim will be easy.

2 - the white plates on the outside will likely remain cool to the touch since they are somewhat separate from the inner chassis that will contain the heat while running. So the cool to the touch outer shell, and the quiet fan, plus a huge heatsink and liquid metal, should give users the impression of a very cool and quiet console.

 

[CrysisFreak]

So no camera port which means they did away with the proprietary camera plug. So I guess the new HD camera is probably USB3?

Yeah probably.
Good stuff, no need for proprietary tech when the standards are so high.

 

[Lysandros]

PS5 has that big I/O unit on die and the tempest engine. But it could have some other stuff on die, who knows.

Yes, an entire I/O complex with two coprocessors, SRAM, decompression block, coherency engines and DMA controller. This can take a significant amount of die space.

 

[reksveks]

Oh if I'm using the old one? I did order the new one along with the ps5

https://uploadvr.com/ps5-move-support/ think so but might be worth asking Sony support

 

[kyliethicc]

Oh if I'm using the old one? I did order the new one along with the ps5

New one is likely just USB. Old one uses a free adapter.

 

[ethomaz]

The actual internal design is cleaner than I hard thought.
Also:

Remember when we used to talk about the Xbox One huge power brink having a dGPU inside it?

Well that huge power brink grew up to Xbox Series X.

Who could ever know MS designed his next-gen console already in 2013?