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[ethomaz]

I/O complex. Which we know includes the Kraken decompression, Coherency engines, SRAM, 2 coprocessors and DMA. I think this lot will use more mm^2 than what the XSX APU does but possibly not as much as 22mm^2 more. So what else could be using the space? We know there is a rumour of infinity cache that would use a chunk of mm^2.

Or maybe the calculation of 286mm^2 is off and the die is somewhat bigger? Say 310-320mm^2?

My (over) estimate is a bit bigger but not that high.
~300mm2.

I believe the APU it is at worst case 303-304mm2.

 

[AeneaGames]

Bruh

Wow, talk about spreading FUD!

All you have to do is to pop the correct faceplate and then you can access the SSD expansion port after removing a simple plate, this video contains all kinds of extra steps...

 

[ethomaz]

Playstation Trophy

https://blog.playstation.com/2020/10/07/upcoming-trophy-levelling-changes-detailed/

I know it PS France posted by mistake before everybody else lol

 

[Dolomite]

980 pro which yet hasn't been confirmed as compatible

Wait...so unconfirmed and just as expensive as the X/S?

 

[SportsFan581]

Wow, talk about spread FUD!

All you have to do is to pop the correct faceplate and then you can access the SSD expansion port. No screw driver is required, nor all these steps...

Well, you do have to secure the NVMe....(screwdriver totally required).

Somebody had to do it.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Which?

Sammy 980 pro

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I like the idea that instead of entire Limited Edition next gen consoles, you may be able to get Limited Edition games that just have the swappable plates instead. Makes a lot more sense than people trying to collect a bunch of consoles. Plus people could probably create some kind of a frame to display plates that aren't currently on the console itself. I think it's gonna be a solid marketing point.

Just imagine, man. This is gonna be a wonderful gen! I wanted the MGSV console, but not gonna buy a console for gimmicks!

 

[PSX]

To be fair it's more about the incorrect way power gets allocated in some games and a few cases on sub optimal application of thermal paste. But yeah, I'm happy with this design and I'll take a bulkier form factor if needed

I love everything I've seen. the heatsink and fan over %50

 

[Sethbacca]

Just imagine, man. This is gonna be a wonderful gen! I wanted the MGSV console, but not gonna buy a console for gimmicks!

That's what I'm saying man.

 

[ethomaz]

Wait...so unconfirmed and just as expensive as the X/S?

X|S storage options are way expensive compared to the same off the shelf parts.
PS5 storage options are the same price as off the shelf parts.

Off the self parts for PS5 will probably cost the same as the storage options for X|S even being twice faster.

The trend in production for off the shelf parts price go down is way higher than the X|S storage options.

 

[Dolomite]

Wow, talk about spread FUD!

All you have to do is to pop the correct faceplate and then you can access the SSD expansion port. No screw driver is required, nor all these steps...

Eh I'm not sure tbh, didn't watch the breakdown. saw twitter going apeshit over taking apart a console with a screwdriver to lay it on its side, so this seemed within the realm of possibility

 

[Bo_Hazem]

His name is Paul, so skipped the part:

 

[Mr Moose]

Sony did same with ps4 pro, and every ps4 game I played ran in boost mode anyway. They just covering their arses in a litigation world.

Also Sekiro was not confimed to be using checkerboard on pro, DF could not work it out.

Anyway, whatever caps are in last gen titles for both consoles, hopefully we get patches and updates for everyone if third party play nice.

Xbox One X renders at a native resolution of 3200x1800. PS4 Pro seems to be using a form of reconstruction to render at a resolution of 3200x1800 and downsamples from this resolution when outputting at 1080p.

 

[AeneaGames]

Well, you do have to secure the NVMe....(screwdriver totally required).

Somebody had to do it.

Yeah I forgot about that part, also assumed both videos were the same but they aren't. I edited my post before I saw this...

 

[SportsFan581]

Yeah I forgot about that part, also assumed both videos were the same but they aren't. I edited my post before I saw this...

Don't try and deflate my big gotcha moment.

I'm not a tech dude so I get limited opportunities around here as it is.

 

[ethomaz]

Eh I'm not sure tbh, didn't watch the breakdown. saw twitter going apeshit over taking apart a console with a screwdriver to lay it on its side, so this seemed within the realm of possibility

You do need a screwdriver to fix the SSD and open its slot.

 

[Dolomite]

X|S storage options are way expensive compared to the same off the shelf parts.
PS5 storage options are the same price as off the shelf parts.

Off the self parts for PS5 will probably cost the same as the storage options for X|S even being twice faster.

The trend in production for off the shelf parts price go down is way higher than the X|S storage options.

Cool Cool.... So same price as the X/S expansion cards.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

His name is Paul, so skipped the part:

How dare you skip over "Luuuuhhhddddiiiieeesss unddd ggguuuunnnttlllllmuuuun"!

 

[ethomaz]

Cool Cool.... So same price as the X/S expansion cards.

Around the same price yes but it is twice the speed... an SSD with the same speed than X|S is way cheaper.
And it will have cheaper and expensive options... it is not a fixed price like X|S options.

Example.

Samsung 980 Pro (one of the expensive options):
$229.99 1TB

 

[DForce]

Timestamp?

 

[SportsFan581]

^ I've always found it weird the way the RGT guy shows his face but continues to utilize the voice modulator. Seems counterintuitive.

 

[geordiemp]

DF could not fuigure it out either for ps4pro, they said unknown, this one says SEEMS.

XSX was hitting a limit on Sekiro for sure and some others tested by DF.

Ps5 can only run what the software allows, so we have to wait and see.

Ps5 and XSX will have to live with whatever constaints were in original software unless they are patched.

 

[AeneaGames]

Just imagine, man. This is gonna be a wonderful gen! I wanted the MGSV console, but not gonna buy a console for gimmicks!

I imagine limited editions of games being sold with themed face plates!

 

[ToadMan]

Cool Cool.... So same price as the X/S expansion cards.

Same price but PS5 SSDs offer twice the performance ....

 

[jose4gg]

 

[Lynyrd]

I think it was this

Actually no, I think he was referring to what John Linneman said about the PS5 that we are going to be surprised in a good way, it was on today's livestream

 

[AeneaGames]

Eh I'm not sure tbh, didn't watch the breakdown. saw twitter going apeshit over taking apart a console with a screwdriver to lay it on its side, so this seemed within the realm of possibility

The video you posted had all kinds of nonsense steps. You do need a screwdriver to remove a small metal plate securing the SSD tho, but that's it.

Basically the same thing as replacing the hdd in a PS4

 

[PSX]

His name is Paul, so skipped the part:

thank you,

me going after the video xD

 

[reksveks]

Same price but PS5 SSDs offer twice the performance ....

The question that no one knows if whether general consumers care about the speed that much or if capacity and ability to play next gen games is the main thing.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Any of two consoles are simple and if you talking about the exterior design you should be old enough to
not try to convince another people to share your taste on such a subjective subject.

We are adults but the memes are good for this shitty year.

I am still funny how the Sega fans become Xbox fans.

I didn't

 

[pasterpl]

same speed

Xbox Series X Storage Expansion Card is £220 - only £30 less than Xbox Series S

The 1TB SSD storage expansion card for the Xbox Series X and S is much more expensive than previously thought in the UK.

metro.co.uk

Crucial P2 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD Up to 2400 MB/s - CT1000P2SSD8 - Newegg.com

Buy Crucial P2 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD Up to 2400 MB/s - CT1000P2SSD8 with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

let’s call it the “seagate tax”

 

[splattered]

Around the same price yes but it is twice the speed... an SSD with the same speed than X|S is way cheaper.
And it will have cheaper and expensive options... it is not a fixed price like X|S options.

Example.

Samsung 980 Pro (one of the expensive options):
$229.99 1TB

I'm not sure that the speed matters to the average consumer, all they're going to look at is expansion size and price. If they are both the same price and size then that's all that matters at the end of the day.

 

[TrackZ]

I'm totally happy opening the PS5 and putting in a generally available, normal form factor SSD. That's by far the better approach IMO than a custom packaged, premium priced, limited option expander.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

The Dreamcast thing was Sega's fault.

It's a joke do not get angry.

Everyone knows Sony killed SEGA.

 

[Salmon Snake]

I imagine limited editions of games being sold with themed face plates!

This is what I hope for!

 

[Entroyp]

Wow, talk about spreading FUD!

All you have to do is to pop the correct faceplate and then you can access the SSD expansion port after removing a simple plate, this video contains all kinds of extra steps...

It’s way easier than PS4.... and PS4 did fine.

 

[ToadMan]

The question that no one knows if whether general consumers care about the speed that much or if capacity and ability to play next gen games is the main thing.

That is a question existing only in your mind.

Xsex/Xsess has the MS proprietary add on.

PS5 consumers may choose an off the shelf SSD that meets the PS5 spec.

The prices are the same per byte. The PS5 compliant ones are twice as fast for the same price as the MS badged ones.

 

[pasterpl]

Different form factor; the XS drive is a small form factor.

Still kinda expensive either way, and PS5 has an advantage as it doesn't require the more expensive small form factor.. of course it also requires brand new expensive fast drives... but it also should have better load times so there's that.

I have purchased 1tb m2.2230 earlier this year (toshiba bg4) and it tiny, but price wasn’t at £202

 

[SportsFan581]

The question that no one knows if whether general consumers care about the speed that much or if capacity and ability to play next gen games is the main thing.

At the end of the day, you have a PS5 or an Xbox, you want an extra 1TB of storage. You buy what works for the box you are upgrading.

 

[Mahavastu]

XBlive only
per 3 month $24.99 or $100/year
per month $9 or $108/year

Gamepass only
$10/mo or $120 per year

Gamepass + XBlive + xCloud
$15/mo or $180 per year

Are your sure that "Gamepass only" does not include XBLive?
I know it did not before, but at the ONL Gamescom event was a Gamepass (not ultimate) advertising which says "All benefits of XBox Live Gold".

Below a timestamped video, with the XBox Live Gold claim at 2:15:55

 

[DrDamn]

Ok, can you please provide some of those public information you are basing your assumptions on?
Just recently we were saying that heat was a function of power and from the PS5 video we now know that the power supply in PS5 is 350W vs 300W in the XSX. Assuming that both use more or less the same % of available power, why are you saying "you will have more problems with an XSX than with a PS5"?

I think BGs is talking more about where and how you put the machine. The form of PS5 and cooling system is more practically designed as whether you have it horizontal or vertical the exhaust is back facing. An XSX is best vertical. Horizontal the exhaust could be facing another piece of equipment or the side of a cabinet it's in.

 

[reksveks]

That is a question existing only in your mind.

Xsex/Xsess has the MS proprietary add on.

PS5 consumers may choose an off the shelf SSD that meets the PS5 spec.

The prices are the same per byte. The PS5 compliant ones are twice as fast for the same price as the MS badged ones.

Does the speed have any value to the consumer? If not, then the fact that the Samsung 980 Pro is twice as fast as the seagate expansion drive is irrelevant.

At the end of the day, you have a PS5 or an Xbox, you want an extra 1TB of storage. You buy what works for the box you are upgrading.

Yeah, the only thing that will basically matter is price/gb. I like the idea of hot swappable pcie drives however I dont think anyone really cares except for people at servers farms.

 

[kyliethicc]

Alex looked just as bitchy as ever lol. Glad to know John has heard the PS5 is gonna be good.

 

[Entroyp]

Everyone knows Sony killed SEGA.

Wasn’t it MS that killed Sega?

 

[sircaw]

Welcome back, brother. This thread thrives with tech savvies like you.

thanks Bo

 

[geordiemp]

Actually no, I think he was referring to what John Linneman said about the PS5 that we are going to be surprised in a good way, it was on today's livestream

Timestamped, Richard was saying the 52 CU scales pretty well, 75 to 100 % so they do get used.

John then says mmm, devs saying be surprised by ps5. TIMESTAMPED.

 

[kyliethicc]

I'm totally happy opening the PS5 and putting in a generally available, normal form factor SSD. That's by far the better approach IMO than a custom packaged, premium priced, limited option expander.

Agreed. The PlayStation 3 required the user to use a screwdriver to slide out the PS3's HDD caddy and swap in a new one.

I managed to do it just fine. And I was 12.

 

[SportsFan581]

Wasn’t it MS that killed Sega?

??? Sega died before MS was born in the console space. A string of poor hardware design decisions killed Sega as a console maker. Sony, MS, or Nintendo didn't make them design hardware that was not competitive. The Dreamcast was great, but by the time it launched Sega was known as the company that quits on its products after a few years.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Actually no, I think he was referring to what John Linneman said about the PS5 that we are going to be surprised in a good way, it was on today's livestream

Damn, so awkward. I feel for John here as all the others reacted like Sony is a dirty word not to be said in DF towers. I hope John's punishment isn't too harsh.

I'd love to know if they really have fell out with Sony and will have to just buy their own PS5's for tests.

 

[ethomaz]

I'm not sure that the speed matters to the average consumer, all they're going to look at is expansion size and price. If they are both the same price and size then that's all that matters at the end of the day.

You will understand the point soon or late.
You will have options for PS5 cheaper than what you will have on X|S.

You will pay less for a better (faster) product.
Plus you can use the SSD in any PC/notebook with M.2 slot... it is not something you will lose the investiment.

MS solution is like PS Vita SD solution... expensive, hard to find and only works on Vita (I have one 128GB and it is useless now).