Neo Blaster
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I can agree about GOW, but it was perfectly reasonable to believe GT7 was releasing this year, it was one of the few games with gameplay so far.
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IllegalLemon
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It fills some gaps imo. If anyone wants further insight, you've got an industry veteran right there(Jason) so asking him to break things down further wouldn't hurt one bit.
I meant his original reply to leviathangamer2 but yeah, I like James and that's he is so open.
Neo Blaster
Member
Expected a '/s' but never came...
More like 'brand power of Gamepass', I can see it replacing Xbox as the 'platform' in the near future.
dcmk7
Banned
With your track record. This has suddenly become highly likely.
Another prediction
Keep up the good work.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
disagree with your better hardware comment
PS5 still comes out on top in most face offs. One or two outliers of a last gen game dont change that, tbh.
the SSD is a bigger deal in the grand scheme of things, and Sony designed a cheaper console that could be produced more in volume. A win win all around imho
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M1chl
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dcmk7
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Well that guy who you reacted to said that R&D money for kinect did not get lost, if I understand that correctly, so it seems to me that it's true. If I understood it incorrectly then please proceed in the discussion without me. Let's say I am dealing now with ear infection and I have bad hearing : )
Insane Metal
Member
And of course this fanboy would be there:
Lol. Good PS5 news = let's fight them!!!
TheRedRiders
Member
Some of these dudes went full fanboy.
Never go full fanboy.
You don't buy that, ask TheGreatWhiteShark.
Never go full fanboy.
You don't buy that, ask TheGreatWhiteShark.
MasterCornholio
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M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
Pavani and Cabella feel that, “The Xbox Series S will be a good compromise to have excellent FPS performances at 4K, Xbox Series X will allow the gamers to experience 8K too.”
dunno chief
Gamerguy84
Member
Lol thanks for this. These guys out here fighting hard. Wars on Twitter are hilarious and guys like Senjetsu are everywhere like its a full time job.
TheRedRiders
Member
I should say TheGayWhiteShark
He's busy going after hairy legs.
Imagine if he is reading this, I'm just fooling around dude lol
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
He didn't really seem to answer the question.
It sounds like he's implying SF is enabled by specific GPU messaging and/or control logic. Whether that's the result of an actual hardware change or software exposing hardware logic that already exists is unclear.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Why?This thread make me want to quit console gaming
OverHeat
« generous god »
So many misinformation, fanboys and shits
IllegalLemon
Member
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This isn't an entire hardware block dedicated to texture streaming that we're talking about, like those people in the tweets above are trying to make it seem. These are custom filters dedicated to streaming built into already existing hardware and if I could hazard a guess, I would say it's inside the Texture Mapping Units(TMU's). These guys are trying to make the SFS feature look more special than it actually is. VRS has been seen providing a 10-15% improvement in performance where it's used and i doubt it can go beyond that. But these people are literally so illiterate that sometimes I don't know if they're trolling or are being serious.
This isn't an entire hardware block dedicated to texture streaming that we're talking about, like those people in the tweets above are trying to make it seem. These are custom filters dedicated to streaming built into already existing hardware and if I could hazard a guess, I would say it's inside the Texture Mapping Units(TMU's). These guys are trying to make the SFS feature look more special than it actually is. VRS has been seen providing a 10-15% improvement in performance where it's used and i doubt it can go beyond that. But these people are literally so illiterate that sometimes I don't know if they're trolling or are being serious.
MasterCornholio
Member
Women can have extremely hairy legs as well. But they shave them and feed the hair to sharky.
Just messing with you sharky wherever you are.
Metroiddarks
Member
Yeah but:
1) You cannot use SF for all textures calls because still have a cost, they mention that here:
https://microsoft.github.io/DirectX-Specs/d3d/SamplerFeedback.html
So is not like you only will have the perfect amount memory only good enough to be better than its last feature (tiled resources)
2) As the most of the people has not a technical background they really believe all the new recent AAA titles in the last couple of years didn't use any
virtual texture technique, so the numbers some fanboys use like "this will duplicate the memory" are not close to the reality because basically
all modern engines use Virtual Texture.
3)As the delta in flops can favor XSX against PS5 in part of the process of rendering in the same way the huge delta in streaming bandwidth of the SSD
and other things like Cache Scrubbers favor the PS5 in the memory side, things like streaming pool can be smaller in PS5 compare to XSX.
If some start give you numbers is 99% a lie because first that person needs both Dev kits and break a couple of NDAs in order to get those numbers.
Also I want to talk again the tiled resources, check video and tell me this video doesn't sound so good that you can think wow this technology will make
Xbox one destroy PS4 but we know what happen later.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I ask again, why would that make you want to quit gaming?
That some twits on the internet are being delusional and trying to spread their delusions shouldn't impact your enjoyment of your hobby. If the forums get tiring. Log off and go play some videogames.
ethomaz
Banned
I'm not sure how people can believe in a magic that makes 2.4GB/s speeds be faster than 5.5GB/s speeds.
The plot tricks even more when the 5.5GB/s has the better hardware decompression units.
I mean it is just nuts lol
funking giblet
Member
Feedback buffers have existed in software for decades now.... RAGE used them for the 360 disk drive ffs!
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Metroiddarks
Member
My good is Senjutsu the guy who was banned in multiple places for be a console warrior and mention
between other things that PS5 doesn't has hardware raytracing.
Note: btw I found funny in era exists another user with nickname of Jiraya or similar who is also xbox fanboy
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The question really is whether SFS truly utilizes some RDNA 2 hardware or not.
They are pretty vague about it; but for now this is only DX12U and that's only supported on RDNA2 from an AMD perspective.
Would be very not-AMD like to not support a software feature on older hardware.
But of course we have no clue if this isn't something PS5 got and their APIs are going to access as well.
Why we need random dipshit fanboys from twitter nonsense posted here is beyond me though.
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FatKingBallman
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Looks i've hurt his. So much that he called me a monkey. But the problem is, i've didn't said anything wrongly
You are right, but they were talking more in regards to the XBO console AFAIK.
Either way its funny, lol.
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assurdum
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Let's be honest: the vast of majority of the games are enhanced via patch. And we are talking of a single graphic setting mode at higher res, nothing more (Tony 120 FPS mode, Avenger perfomance mode) such superiority is not so devastating in all the graphic mode. Anyway series X will continue to have bigger advantage over ps5 in the crossgen titles. It's the normality considered is virtual coded based. But I suspect going further such superiority won't be even so apparent. Maybe higher res natively could remain in many games but the question how much is important when even native 1800p is quite tough to reveal without native pixels count.
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For me is little strange feelin' that PS5 disk can stream about ~ (from 150 to) 300MiB per frame (per frame) and thats a half of capacity of CD-ROM (650-700MiB) - PSOne 1994
If someone told me that 20 years ago I...
From CDROM (Sony/Philips) to SSD Flash (Toshiba)
If someone told me that 20 years ago I...
From CDROM (Sony/Philips) to SSD Flash (Toshiba)
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What makes this so sad, and I see this alot from different folks, its like the PS5 cant have .....a single advantage...... over XSX. Like at all. Nada.
Its ok...it'll be alright if it has one.
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assurdum
Banned
We already seen ps5 has an advantage in the texture filter in many games. It's not like is a revelatory news.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Ratchet getting a PS5 60 fps patch!
Insomniac is easily their most productive studio right now. This game came out way back in early 2016. 5 year old game and Insomniac patching it like it still has legs. Respect. TBH, I dont know wtf GG and ND are doing.
Insomniac is easily their most productive studio right now. This game came out way back in early 2016. 5 year old game and Insomniac patching it like it still has legs. Respect. TBH, I dont know wtf GG and ND are doing.
LiquidRex
Member
The XSX will not out perform the PS5, there are things in the PS5 architecture that the XSX just can't do.... Spencer himself is envious of the PS5 SSD hardware.
ethomaz
Banned
I almost have a heart attack when I read "Aaron..."
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
hes a community manager. why is this a big deal lol.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
EDIT: Ignore this post. I was mistaken. snc reminded me that the gap is only 16% on average. For some reason i only remembered the comparison where the xsx hits 58 fps.
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I can write off Hitman, Avengers and Tony Hawk, but the one that gives me pause is the control photo mode benchmark. It could mean two things. 1) The Xbox GPU is being held back by some kind of bottleneck in the CPU, RAM or I/O because that massive photo mode difference isnt translating into gameplay. 2) The PS5 isnt performing as well as it should be.
I ran a lot of tests on Control's photo mode on my PC and it was behaving more or less the same in gameplay as it did in photomode. I saw the same drops during gameplay and photomode, and i saw GPU usage max out in photomode just like it does during gameplay. so it's not like photomode doesnt utilize the GPU when its not in gameplay.
Control is an important benchmark because its pretty much the only game that pushes physics and CPU utilization which should be the norm in next gen only titles. Because of this, I do wonder if the PS5 will keep up like it did during the launch games. I think RE8 while being cross gen might be another title that ends up showing a big difference. I wouldnt be surprised if they go checkerboard vs native like they did with RE3 last gen on the pro and x1x. I guess we will find out next month.
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DarkMage619
$MSFT
I was right what's your point?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I never said the xss and the switch are equal in performance. I used it as an easy to grasp example as to why supporting that console inherently limits what can be achieved for the entire generation.
Don't tell me about ray tracing on the xss, let's even see if they can run any proper AAA next gen game at a playable framerate first.
It's my sincere opinion that console (xss) is a turd that will be stinking the entire generation, or until 3rd parties (or MS) realize nobody is buying it and finally kill it. Afaik the sales of that thing are pretty low compared to the main one, but feel free to correct me otherwise.
"The Kinect is the only thing that makes the X1 stand apart from the PS4."
These are your words....
C'mon.
Technically you were right. But context will always matter.
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IllegalLemon
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I understand where you're trying to lead me to Metroid don't worry, you can rest assured that I've already gotten pretty acquainted with some of the specifics of SFS, at least from some of the reading i've done on the matter. Regarding point number 1, I've already hazarded a guess that SFS extends upon the tiled resources offered by D3D12 a long time ago and fixes or at least tries to fix some limitations that were present before while introducing some of its own.
With regards to number 2, Microsoft said that in order to produce the same results SFS gives, one would need 2.5-3x the storage bandwidth in order to brute force it. So let's say that SFS helps stream 600 MBs of assets in any given second, if you were to do it without SFS you'd need storage that offers at least a speed 1500 MB per Second to achieve the same result. With SFS the bandwidth efficiency is improved so it needs less to bandwidth to achieve a specific result.
Now the PS5 can just as easily achieve that as the I/O block is beyond capable of doing what SFS does in its own way using a different approach. So Xbox has the custom SFS filters in hardware and PS5 has the I/O, they can both possibly lead to the same outcome using radically different approaches. Primitive Shaders and Mesh Shaders both push towards the same end goal, but the approaches they take towards achieving that end goal are radically different. As to Which one's superior, I'd say neither, as they're both unique in their own ways.
Some hardcore fanboys try to push this narrative that SFS somehow magically doubles or triples the speed offered by the ssd, but this isn't some magical, out of this world hardware that bends the laws of physics and engineering and that's just... not how things work. It just doubles or triples the bandwidth efficiency meaning it uses less and requires less to reach the streaming end goal.
One doesn't have to necessarily say that one's superior than the other, only that they do things differently and it just works hopefully when you need it to.
The delta isn't as big as some people try to make it seem. At least it won't manifest with remasters of previous gen games as the engines haven't yet been adapted to make use of most of the powerful new features offered by either of these two consoles and it's possible that it'll stay that way for a while longer. For now though, we'll only see a glimpse of those features in use by exclusives and perhaps even Battlefield 6. Hopefully, as EA is known to aim very high up, pretty early on.
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According to DF is not an issue, so just pretend you don't see them. It's always the same explanation when XSX version is inferior to PS5. It's weird and unexpected and eventually a non issue.
dcmk7
Banned
Do you think that the series s is worse than pc (the average pc) than holding back the game design?
Imtjnotu
Member
Your own interpretation doesn't mean facts tho
Setsuna Mudou
Member
Let's put it this way, PC gaming is negatively impacted by many things, one of them being the fact that games have to run on windows in the first place
One thing about PC gaming is that every new game has a minimum and optimum spec to run a given game. This forces people to upgrade every other year if they buy cheap parts.
As many AAA games are built for consoles in the first place and then ported to PC, the entire generation is kind of stuck to the lowest common denominator. So even if an average PC build nowadays would perform on par with the xss, you have to think this gen has literally just started. We're looking at 7 more years of experiences that normally would require running on this console.
I say normally because I really hope people will be smart enough to avoid that console and we can raise the baseline, by forcing this xss into unsupported territory. Which can happen if the sales are insignificant enough.
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