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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Inf3cted_b3ast
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Well, whoever made that one comparison used a YouTube video from an uploader that purposefully locked FM6 to 30fps in the side-by-side, and they decided to look past that duplicitous behaviour. It was pointed out, but that didn't matter.
I think that's pretty telling in and of itself.
¯_(ツ_/¯
The video from which that AMG GT gif was created from is 60fps.
It doesn't matter if the content for a specific purpose is seemingly valid, the way in which it was produced was deceitful, which would normally invalidate all data.
Oh, did they re-upload it? Too many downvotes or negative comments about it?
I'm trying to tell you that video is 60 fps ( checked a few minutes ago ). Nothing changed graphically except fluidity.
Inf3cted_b3ast
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There are two different videos
60fps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=borC9k3dMbc
30fps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjQbiLk9GPQ
7DollarHagane
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Something about the forza shots makes it look like the cars were photoshoppped on the track.
I mean design decision in that it's probably technically very easy for them to implement, but doesn't fit in with the ethos of the game. So not a technical limitation, resource-hungry feature or whatever.Given that lesser games from smaller developers somehow find the time to do it, I don't think it's a design decision. They implemented sequential shifter support, and given the truly limited number of hardware shifters in the market compatible with PS4, it would hardly be a taxing extension of resources to implement H-gated and a clutch pedal flagship racing game. It's already compatible with the thrustmaster hardware ecosystem , it makes no sense to cut out half the functions of a device they already support.
Could be other things at play, too... would the H-shifter still work if the car in-game only has sequential? Maybe that was a question they were happy to avoid rather than try to work through/around it.
Baroquemantic
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Even if the video from which this GIF was made was 60fps, it wouldn't have made a difference. I really don't see how it being 30 frames is deceitful.Ah, I thought m0dus was referring to this: (from page 109)
TheAusHulk
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Ah, I thought m0dus was referring to this: (from page 109)
The forza gif looks like the car is floating in mid air?
If the car is faster will look even more like its floating, because the spray will be bigger and brighter, like in the real photo.
Its pretty clear in that gif the amount of water coming from the tires is more dense, so the center of the car is darker, and you can see the reflection/shadow of the car when the spray varies.
look at this picture, and see how the spray changes according to the car speed.
lol funny how almost every racing game has this effect, but only Forza got mocked. Also, its completely absent on the DC gifs (but I guess its ok).
When you source something that isn't yours, you don't alter it, otherwise it might be perceived that you are changing it to suit an agenda.
Watch any 30fps-60fps video side-by-side, the difference is jarring. In fact, the difference seems so large that the 30fps side looks unplayable, even though you're normally fine with 30fps gameplay.
One might suggest that the uploader wanted to hide that difference from the viewers.
Now, is that the type of uploader one would want to use content from to base an argument off of? Do you see what I mean?
Inf3cted_b3ast
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Maybe he just couldn't render the video at 60fps and thought it wouldn't make a difference since he wasn't trying to show which game was more fluid and smooth. Who knows?
Maybe that's the visual enhancement being added to Driveclub. Tire spray and tire smoke are two effects that are poorly represented in Driveclub.
lol funny how almost every racing game has this effect, but only Forza got mocked. Also, its completely absent on the DC gifs (but I guess its ok).
They why not just compare with stills?
I mean, the guy has hardware that can capture direct feed from the console, I am sure he has an adequate PC to render it properly, too.
Inf3cted_b3ast
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Does that rear of the lambo, specifically the wheel, look like it's floating to anyone else?
Inf3cted_b3ast
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Besides GT, what other game does smoke like that? I think the smoke effects in Driveclub while not the best is fine.
SolidSnakex
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NFS: ProStreet also had really thick smoke similar to that as well.
Problem with those effects is that they're VERY expensive, calculation-wise. GT does it and it looks alright, but the shadows are quite low-res. I wish there was a "cheap" way for it to be done, driving games across the board would look exponentially better.
Maybe that'll be the next big thing. AMD had TressFX for hair tech, perhaps we'll see a smoke/particle-based one soon.
Edit: I'll have to try ProStreet then (I have a feeling I own it somewhere). Those smoke effects always do weird things to me.
Yeah, looks like floating. But its cause by the effect of the smoke.
AbandonedTrolley
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Someone placed this on the SunhiLegend video, not one I had seen before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXEPjrj-3gA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXEPjrj-3gA
DHC-Shannow
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I think the lighting is what makes the difference in the Gifs, DC just looks more grounded in the world around while the car in FM6 just looks too bright. Probably just a poor combination of factors make it look worse than the majority of the game but it is striking difference between the two.
Inf3cted_b3ast
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I agree.
I think the lighting is what makes the difference in the Gifs, DC just looks more grounded in the world around while the car in FM6 just looks too bright. Probably just a poor combination of factors make it look worse than the majority of the game but it is striking difference between the two.
DC is on a whole new level compared to everything else out there tbh, not just Forza. The only thing that will come near is GT7 but even then i'm not expecting it to beat DC. PD are wizards, but Evo are surely wizards also.
Beautiful. Does anyone know the name of song?
If Shazam is on the ball, it's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 14, F Minor (by Valery Bukrinski).
It's strange. Most smoke appears to be kind of sprite based, but you'd think there'd be a way of using voxels or something to emulate smoke (and just shade them a certain way). I'm not a programmer though so maybe that's already been thought of.
Cheers dude.
I think a lot of people probably play the game in cockpit view, it is a Sim racer after all. It seems that the weird disconnect between road and car seems to occur mostly in third person perspective, so it's not altogether surprising some might not see it as representative of the overall experience. Hell I never even touch that view in sim/simcade racers except to drift, so I suppose my perspective would be different too. As Shaneus said, the weird disconnect in that view is likely as a result of the lighting. Shadows and surfaces probably have something to do with it too. The vehicle just seems to pop out a lot more than it ought to, but Forza has always had this element of art direction about it.
Steve McQueen
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My guess would be mid to late October
Aw man....I want it now....very eager to know what the update will be
1.21Gigawatts
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I think the floaty car effect in Forza is mainly due to the motion blur. Motion blur in Forza makes the road look like a flat grey texture and very little detail is visible compared to still shots. It looks like you were driving on a dull mirror. Was already a problem in Horizon 2.
That would make sense I never play racers in cockpit my view feels to restricted.
Stillmatic
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The actual graphic for the spray in DC is pretty neat.
Ploid 3.0
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I'm willing to bet that a lot more people play their racing games in bumper/hood cam compared to cockpit view.
Fess
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PD will go for locked 60fps, Evo went with locked 30fps. Two different kinds of wizardry will be at display when GT7 arrives. I know which one I prefer. And it'll be fun to checkout the GT7 vs DC threads, 60fps vs 30fps but without the people with agendas, we'll finally get unbiased opinions on how much the framerate affects the visuals, and it'll be lovely because I already know which one will come out on top.
PD will go for locked 60fps, Evo went with locked 30fps. Two different kinds of wizardry will be at display when GT7 arrives. I know which one I prefer. And it'll be fun to checkout the GT7 vs DC threads, 60fps vs 30fps but without the people with agendas, we'll finally get unbiased opinions on how much the framerate affects the visuals, and it'll be lovely because I already know which one will come out on top.
For sure. Look, what PD did with GT on PS3 i think is now being appreciated a bit more now we are seeing new gen racers with certain limitations. I've no doubt PD's lighting engine will blow socks off as it always has, same as their material shaders. Given how easy the PS4 is to develop for surely the stars have aligned for PD to show us just what they can achieve without going through so many hoops.
For me, different views are best for different jobs. A good cockpit view really adds to how the game feels and is my preferred camera view. Sometimes it's just nice to look at the cars and what's going on around you so the trailing views work well there. A bumper-cam has it's own advantages/disadvantages due to the speed and tightness of the view.
I tend not to use bumper-cam often with DriveClub often as it just doesn't feel as necessary as it does in some other games.
Summer Haze
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The actual graphic for the spray in DC is pretty neat.
I remember zooming on on the tire spray for the first time and thinking it looked like a bunch of ant eggs spewing out. Lol.
flipswitch
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PD will go for locked 60fps, Evo went with locked 30fps. Two different kinds of wizardry will be at display when GT7 arrives. I know which one I prefer. And it'll be fun to checkout the GT7 vs DC threads, 60fps vs 30fps but without the people with agendas, we'll finally get unbiased opinions on how much the framerate affects the visuals, and it'll be lovely because I already know which one will come out on top.
Source on this? I really hope they do but the last two games didn't manage that.
Yautja_Warrior
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PD have always gone for 60fps with GT but they loved to pushed thoses graphics so didn't achieve a locked 60fps, hopefully they can take some notes from Forza and get it locked.
With PS4 being more powerful than Xbox One, GT7 should look better than Forza 6, even with a locked 60fps aslong as PD don't do something stupid.
icecold1983
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in terms of whats realistically possible wrt driveclubs future graphics enhancements, a temporal aa as good as ryse, or even better, ue4 would be awesome.
these highlight something i've noticed in forza and the way they've implemented reflections in the road. it reminds me of the system used in infamous, where no matter what surface the character was stood on, or if the water had puddled up or was just wet sidewalk, the reflection would always be a blurred image. in that image above of the cars stationary in the starting grid, there are clear pools of water around the cars were the reflection should be sharp, and clean...almost mirror-like, but it's not. plus you don't seem to get the stretched light from headlights either, which makes the reflection look more artificial then it should.
Fess
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Forza 6? Do we even have a target release date yet? I honestly think GT7 might go up against Forza 7 :/
eso76
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From what i've seen of the game reflection do look sharper or blurrier according to surface roughness, just never mirror-like (which they aren't because then you would see they probably use much lower detail models for cars)
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Fess
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Cool! And there won't be a prologue either this time so 2016 is the year of GT7
Has there been any talk about when Project Cars 2 might come out? And what about Driveclub 2?
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