Again: resources. It doesn't matter how much the fps is in this case.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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Again: resources. It doesn't matter how much the fps is in this case.
What resources, money, man power? Now fps doesn't matter. OK.
Evolution had before around same or slightly more staff than PD. Cars in DC doesn't look better than those in GT Sport.
Turn 10 has way more staff than PD. Cars in Forza 4 doens't look better than those in GT6.
Good for you.
Time, money, man power. In the end, it's all the same. How much resources do you want to spend on modeling cars. That's how it breaks down in the end.
But that doesn't mean they also allocated the resources in the same way.
Same argument as above.
Where did you get your numbers because they are kind of wrong with or without DLC.Sorry but you just contradicted yourself
And as usual i'm having problems following what you are trying to say
F4 has 678 cars, no premium/standard differences
GT6 has
Total Cars: 1.241
Premium Cars: 447
Semi-Premium Cars: 152
Standard Cars: 642
So i guess they decided to leave those 642 standard cars just because ¯\_(ツ_/¯
Also Forza outsources their models. The fact that the interiors don't look good in Forza has nothing to do with resources modelling them because the models they receive are much higher quality than those in the game. The reason the Forza interiors look like ass is because they have a limited polygon budget whereas GT has tessellation and use their high poly models in their game.
Ok so that is launch. Now what did you use for Forza 4? Because launch was 500 or so.
I thought it was updated honestly, even the GT6 website says 1247 cars so now i'm confused, F4 number i got it from the wikia
And also doesn't mean that if some game has more cars, automatically cars will look worse. That's a such dumb theory.
This is what Noobcraft said
and this is basically how everything in the world works. Making "more" takes more time, money and in general resources. This is not a dumb theory, at all.
Jamesways
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Totally agree with that.
Sometimes that's true, sometimes not. Like everyone has said, it's the time and resources allocated.
Grid Autosport is s good example. Interiors brought back but little time spent on them to model accurate cockpits. Time spend on other aspects instead. And it ended up a darn good game.
Also, more pics less yapping needed in this thread!
Well, of course making "more" output needs "more" input in general, but if you have a studio that's much bigger and outsources more art assets, the excuse that the quality level would probably be lower because the attention is diverted between more cars by default, falters.
No arguing in that if we know exactly how each studio does the specific work.
Yes it is.
LukasTaves
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Even if you ignore the fact that GT has a way bigger budget than drive club, compare the development time for both.
Even if they did have the same budget/year GT would still have way more resources available to them due the way longer dev time.
So, they have more time and money to make the game look better. Though to be honest there's plenty of work left in GT for me. The trailer looked incredible, but the gameplay footage not so much yet.
GT Sport isn't 60fps. It might be by launch, but it isn't right now.
It has to earn its title as a 60fps racer, not just self-proclaim it.
Because there is need to talk about how good it will be because of the current state. PD are the best.
Jamesways
Member
That's the way of things here. Erry game judged any time through development.
GT Sport / Forza 6 Apex
Did they just forget the lighting engine or what.
Apex
Member
This. They have also have many modeling inacuracies due to a less strict control quality thanks to its outsourced nature and to the developer's asset priorities. All the above plus a very simplistic rendering method that does not even do real time reflections, a thing that even GT5 did.
Inf3cted_b3ast
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Just like how some people where already claiming FH3 is the best looking racer after seeing just a portion of the game.
funkystudent
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At least in Forza you can move the right stick and look around the interiors in game instead of having to glitch photomode or something.
GTP_Daverytimes
Member
Ehh you could do the same in GT5/6 when racing, with GTsport they will finally let you take shots of the interior in photomode.
Compared to GTsport, i guess so. Maybe not ass but definitely not up to par.
Not completely but relatively speaking what makes it look bad compared to other games is its low poly count interiors and no ambient occlusion (baked or otherwise). If you look at the seat for example, engine start button knobs or the edge of the footrests it's its low polycount which lets it down. I would say the blocky-ness really is ass but my intention wasn't to offend anyone.
Anyway
PCars interior of same car but not same angle
Psyrgery ES
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Damn, Forza interiors look like they're a generation behind, not trying to be hyperbolic but look at those buttons. They're flat on the Forza shot whereas they have lots of details in the GTS pic.
Are these from the same mode? I mean is one from Photomode and the other from in-game...or something?GT Sport / Forza 6 Apex
I expect GT Sport will have the best car models and materials but I'm sure ForzaVista isn't that bad...so it must be in-game.
Not sure this is like-for-like. Educate me.
That is ForzaVista yes.
Lys Skygge
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GT Sport / Forza 6 Apex
The worst thing about the Forza images is the black crush. The steering wheel blends in with the dashboard!
EGOMON
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I think at this point everyone should know that PD have some of the best modelling team in the industry they are wizards.
Yes Forza have more cars but they also have significantly more manpower whither in-house or outsourcing.
PD is just untouchable when it comes graphics and lightings
Yes Forza have more cars but they also have significantly more manpower whither in-house or outsourcing.
PD is just untouchable when it comes graphics and lightings
You know what...I didn't believe you. Poor on me.
I've just watched ForzaVista's Mitsubishi video on YouTube and...I'm gobsmacked. I mean that modelling, materials and lighting would be fine for in-game...but for a showpiece, not so much.
I can't get my hat off at that.
EDIT: Cars modelled for Forza 6 are better, right?
TheAdmiester
Member
That IQ though. So clean.
Also, never noticed the chairs in the background of that building until I saw this. I love the nice little touches like that.
Well it's ForzaVista so it's supersampled, no?
FootballFan
Member
Gran Turismo Sport interiors look stunning.
TheAdmiester
Member
No, from my experience with ForzaVista on Apex it just uses your AA settings. If AA is off then it'll have jaggies everywhere.
Either way the actual IQ depends on the computer. I could just run it at 4K with 8xMSAA if I wanted to make the cleanest image possible, what I meant was that the game produces a very clean image with little to no postprocessing, the only bits you'll really see are the DOF in the prerace screens and motion blur ingame.
SolidSnakex
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Oh I assumed that it would supersample as it does on Xbox, interesting
TheAdmiester
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I could be mistaken, it's just that those are my observations ingame.
Anyway, was playing some Assetto Corsa tonight and realised how much it nails the boring midday look, the one that I complained recently as being hard to achieve.
FootballFan
Member
amazing
GTS is much more accurate imo
Agnostic Priest
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Lol i do the same. Good times
I just booted Apex up for the first time and yeah photo mode definitely supersamples, you can see the aliasing just disappear when you stop moving the camera
Hmm, I think it looks kind of cold, tbh.
TheAdmiester
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That's photomode, I'm pretty sure the shots we're talking about are raw gameplay/Forzavista as you can still see a little bit of aliasing on the plants.
Is Forzavista not effectively photomode?
TheAdmiester
Member
Not strictly. It has different graphical options:
And it doesn't add effects on when you keep the camera still. For example if you have DOF enabled in photomode you can see it adding extra samples when you don't move, in Forzavista everything is just as-is like in gameplay.
Inf3cted_b3ast
Member
Wow!
Something will drastically change with AA? Won't change anything even with decent AA in photomode. Still will look bland compared to GTS interiors.
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