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I too cannot wait to play Horizon 3 at 60fps. sadly only at 1080p though. I can only imagine how it looks at native 4k 60fps!, would love to see 1440p 144fps too
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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I too cannot wait to play Horizon 3 at 60fps. sadly only at 1080p though. I can only imagine how it looks at native 4k 60fps!, would love to see 1440p 144fps too
Outrun
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GTS looks wonderful.
I think a more apt comparision would be with FM7.
... OK, I guess?
Lighting and materials have always been GT's biggest strength and FM's weakest point. Going through all these efforts to demonstrate this well-known fact is a bit curious.
That being said, these shots of GTS are truly amazing.
Fortinbras
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Digital Foundry Comparison
Assetto Corsa vs Forza 6 vs Project Cars
https://youtu.be/211jaQtBF-M
I hate the lighting in Forza so much.
Assetto Corsa vs Forza 6 vs Project Cars
https://youtu.be/211jaQtBF-M
I hate the lighting in Forza so much.
drugstore_cowboy
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Mm that's a bit strong. It isn't always the most convincing but they've made some massive improvements over the Xbox 360 games.
Some tracks look really quite nice but the cars paintwork doesn't always really match the lighting to my eyes. When there's some sun glare going on it all comes together a bit better.
TylerDurden4321
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I don't know, persoanally I like the oversaturation in Forza it gives the game a certain hollywood racing movie look - if you like it just depends if you want to see a gritty documentary or a blockbuster mainstream movie. For me Forza is the best looking in that video out of the three.
Assetto Corsa's paint colors are off and you can see it in the PC version from "skin"-preview pics to how it looks on the track: They look different and neither color gets the real car right. pCARS doesn't look that much better than AC as I remember it, the worst thing is the track surface in pCARS though, it looks so dry it could be made out of chalk. Forza has the the advantage of pre-baked lighting though, pCARS and AC use dynamic lighting (AC at least from 8am to 6pm), so IQ on console naturally has to suffer even if they were as big a studio as Turn 10.
Bit of an unfair comparison seeing as FM6 has a locked 60fps and the other 2 games could only wish to hit 60fps for more than 2 seconds and usually crap out around 40fps at best.....and yet FM6 still looks comparable
thelastword
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Well if GT was as basic looking as Forza, I'm sure it would run at 90fps locked. The gulf in quality between the two titles is huge in this comparison and GTS is still work in progress with more improvements and polish to come.
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TheAdmiester
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LOL you just keep telling yourself that. That first sentence in particular was hilarious.
Deaf Spacker
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What?
40% more flops = 50% more frames amirite?
It's thelastword, don't expect to be reading an accurate post.
Aceofspades
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So someone on youtube, who requested to stay anonymous, reached out to me via email. He recognized me from my avatar on youtube because it looked similar to the one I use on here. In the email, he gave me a couple of slides that he wanted me to post on GAF because he doesn't have and account. I am in no way an expert with this sort of stuff but I found it informative so here they are.
Despite all the shit that PD gets ( sometimes rightfully so), they are a league above everyone else regarding use of light and overall attention to details...goddamn PD .
potatohead
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GT has always and still has by far the best artists in the world for racing games.
It's barely even a comparison. They hit every note on the lighting so perfectly in their games as much as can possibly be done.
Even it compared to DriveClub you can see the sheer mastery of natural lighting and shader use, and DriveClub is a damn good looking game on its own.
It's barely even a comparison. They hit every note on the lighting so perfectly in their games as much as can possibly be done.
Even it compared to DriveClub you can see the sheer mastery of natural lighting and shader use, and DriveClub is a damn good looking game on its own.
TheAdmiester
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"Hurr if Forza ran as shit as GT it'd look 12.3x better and be at 4K"
Works both ways.
That's one of the best Forza shots I've seen.After a long time away with it, I'm really enjoying getting back into FM6. It strikes just the right "simcade" feel, both in terms of gameplay and the way it looks. That buttery-smooth framerate doesn't hurt either. Here's one I took yesterday. This thing is so damn fun to drive!
It reminds me of a Forza 3 shot, simple but affective. It was a white Subaru Impreza face-on turning in to an apex of a corner that seemed to be on a decline. I tried to find it but god knows what it's tag'd as.
Insane Metal
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Psycho_Mantis
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So someone on youtube, who requested to stay anonymous, reached out to me via email. He recognized me from my avatar on youtube because it looked similar to the one I use on here. In the email, he gave me a couple of slides that he wanted me to post on GAF because he doesn't have and account. I am in no way an expert with this sort of stuff but I found it informative so here they are.
Appreciated but its well known that PD are unparalleled in the genre in lighting and modelling.
Don't even try to argue, trust me
TheAdmiester
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Yes, but don't let anybody hear you say that.
I'm really amazed that thelastword is still around, honestly.
Psycho_Mantis
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Wooah, GTS has released and has wobbly frame rates. Damn, and here I thought the game got delayed. Do you have anymore performance insights from your copy?
Besides its not like extra hardware power is magically going to change their artists.
What is the point of these comparisons when they can't even be bothered to match time of day? These Digital Foundry comparisons are popular because there's nothing else out there...but they are also terrible at doing it.
They should have put GT5 in there for a laugh as well. Wonder how that would fair...I expect pretty damn well even by todays standards.
It's the way it's expressed more than anything. 'Locked' definitively means something and even when it's not, it's said to be.
TheAdmiester
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Again with this bullshit.
GT5 is out, was delayed many years and patched many years, still has a bad framerate.
GT6 is out, was patched for years, still has a bad framerate.
Notice the trend? If two Forza games had a bad framerate everyone would constantly be concerned about it, but somehow posts about GT's performance are constantly met with the "OH HOWS YOUR COPY THEN".
Well, by the time GTS releases hopefully the frame-rate will be smooth. By that time the FM7 and Scorpio will be in play so we'll have a totally different comparison. GT always looks more realistic to me, PD clearly know what they're doing.
Forever Changes
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So PD would still make the better looking game if they had to develop for X1 and T10 for PS4?
SolidSnakex
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Did you forget the PS2 generation when they had the best looking racers even though they were developing on weaker hardware?
Psycho_Mantis
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Pretend concern is your stigma not mine.
GTS is not immune to performance talks, but at the very least I expect you guys to have the patience to wait for a final build to release to say things like having a wobbly frame rate, especially when we know about it being in dev and now a long way from release.
Forever Changes
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While GT3 and 4 looked amazing (especially 3 for the time) I'd say PGR2 was ahead visually.
I don't actually hate it and they are doing it intentionally but I have to wonder why.
They could at least give the option to have more realistic lighting.
Psycho_Mantis
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The point being regardless of technical power some visual properties are due to art/modelling design. Lighting is one of those areas as well as dedication to the car models.
PD have leading artists. It has been known for generations.
We can hope. Neo will probably be out as well.
It has to be smooth because of vr, if it is still supposed to support it. But I can also see them reducing the graphics by a good amount to ensure a stable framerate.
Forever Changes
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Kind of wish they'd do that for all versions but hey.
Well, apparently most people just don't care about tanking framerates. At least for some games.
TheAdmiester
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Which is so strange because a racing game is one of a few genres where it's quite literally the most important thing.
Forever Changes
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They ruin it for the rest of us!
Inf3cted_b3ast
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This is a new generation though and the Ps4 is not the same as the Ps3. We should wait and see.
LostDonkey
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I can't imagine what forza is going to be like on Scorpio. It has to have full GI day/night weather etc etc with all that power right?
Same with GT on Neo that's supposed to be 2x gpu isn't it?
The future of this thread is mouthwatering.
Same with GT on Neo that's supposed to be 2x gpu isn't it?
The future of this thread is mouthwatering.
I don't think we should expect anything beyond better IQ if the policies of Sony and Microsoft are to be true.
Forever Changes
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Honestly if Forza Motorsport 7 is targetting true 4k at locked 60fps, I imagine the game to look very similar to 6, outside of IQ of course. Which will still look stunning as Forza 6 apex and I'm sure Horizon 3 look stunning at 4k.
Jamesways
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Oh this thread... Can't have nice things where people just enjoy these games get along for more than 2 pages without the crazy not so secretly snide remarks.
Agreed cooldawn, they should have matched time of day to Fm. It's interesting how different they all look.
I'll get back to posting more AC shots later. Question for pc guys, anyone on the forums ever bring up the tilt-shift effect some of the far away shots give off?
Not knocking it but at times they look like toy cars in the distance. It's the DOF blur and shiny smooth lighting. I was trying to remember the term, tilt shift. I'll throw some examples up later.
I love this thread
Agreed cooldawn, they should have matched time of day to Fm. It's interesting how different they all look.
I'll get back to posting more AC shots later. Question for pc guys, anyone on the forums ever bring up the tilt-shift effect some of the far away shots give off?
Not knocking it but at times they look like toy cars in the distance. It's the DOF blur and shiny smooth lighting. I was trying to remember the term, tilt shift. I'll throw some examples up later.
It is easy to make 60fps when there is no features such as those in Gran Turismo games.
Gran Turismo did it on PS2, for all games. See GT5: Prologue on PS3 for same results.
Once the variable time of day, variable weather, alpha effects, volumetric real-time smoke, procedural damage and other things came into picture, framerate dipped to 50-60 fps.
But it makes no sense to argue over that, since many will say how any of above is less important than solid fps. And since everyone has a right to opinion, I concur. However, what PD has achieved on PS3 is nothing short than spectacular and no other driving game in the genre comes close to GT5 (and GT6 respectfully) regarding creation of overall driving sensation with as many variables possible.
Risk Breaker
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Yeah :/
I mean:
Eww.
I want to buy PC, but not sure I'll enjoy it without a wheel
SolidSnakex
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I guess what i'm saying is that even with weaker hardware they can compete with anyone. Putting what they do down to the power of the hardware takes away from just how good they are. I think they have hands down the best artists in the industry when it comes to racers. And that's a blessing and a curse. Because on one hand you get incredibly high quality assets, the downside is that they do everything in-house which means they simply can't have as many assets as they would they outsourced some of their work.
That's not to say power ins't important, but we've seen other racers on the hardware and they don't look as good even though they're working with the same console as PD.
Dictator93
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SC just added in a new post-process pipeline for flares, streaks and bloom and it reminded me a lot of the photomode-footage from the latest GTS.
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Wax Free Vanilla
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GTS will be a buttery smooth 60fps at release when the traditional gfx downgrade is applied.
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