I guessed right it seems. Was obvious, but certainly looks excellent for the hardware.
Glad I wasn't imagining it, paint detail wise.
There may be a single layer effect missing though. Granted I've not studied every car to see.
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I guessed right it seems. Was obvious, but certainly looks excellent for the hardware.
Glad I wasn't imagining it, paint detail wise.
There may be a single layer effect missing though. Granted I've not studied every car to see.
TheAdmiester
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Yeah, it has the metallic one (as evidenced by the fact you can also get a metal flake paint style), but it doesn't seem to have the proper orange peel one from FM5.
Windom Earle
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Not at all, it's just future proof.
Aceofspades
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The Order 1886 is the cleanest image I have seen on consoles, and Graphics king so far in all platforms, I think they used 4xMSAA among multiple different methods,but lets not derail the thread. Forza Horizon has a clean IQ and average everything else (models, environments and lightning).
Chris Metal
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Aeroknight94
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IMO DC is still the king. Especially because of its lighting.
If you don't mind me asking, my game doesn't look this good when I play? it looks like its washed out. Is this photomode where its only this good? I changed the setting to RCB setting or whatever to full, but in real time, it doesn't look quite this good. I mean it still looks good, but the environment looks a little washed out. Is it my tv?
1.21Gigawatts
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Shouldn't look washed out. Only some aliasing.
They look clean enough that I thought they might have been from the time in photo mode when some of the post-processing is in place after you stop moving the camera, but you haven't taken the picture. I've seen some nice shots that use that as a workaround to make things look especially nice, but still short of photo-mode shots themselves. I know waiting some time in a menu nets you better results because of the adaptive tessellation.
Yup, it looks exactly the same on my TV aswell. Note: This picture wasn't taken by me, it's from the DC photomode thread. Also I'm 99% sure it was taken in photo mode.
Aceofspades
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lightning in DC is dynamic and clouds are randomly generated and they can affect colors immensely, its would be very difficult to replicate certain weather or lightning conditions. but also you can add filters to photo mode to enhance pictures or add an artistry touch.
Windom Earle
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Horizon 2 doesn't belong into this thread. GTA5 looks better to me. 
Chris Metal
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This is my image. I took this using photo mode, obviously the AA is reduced because of this. I rarely use filters though to enhance images. Just Aperture F/stop, shutter speed and exposure were adjusted and camera position to create a sense of realism as best as I could. Also time of day during a race is important and weather settings. I can't be sure if your TV settings might be off though, such as contrast etc. I use an old Viera.
Yeah, it's your TV. I could to a picture of what the game looks like on my TV and it'll be ridiculously similar.
Horizon 2 doesn't belong into this thread. GTA5 looks better to me.
Ummm. OK? Apparently Horizon 2 doesn't belong in the Next gen racing graphics thread?
Anyways, here are some shots of the stock paint P1 in F5 and Forza Horizon 2.
Im also running DS4 textures and 32 cars on the track. Im surprised it runs as well it does considering lol
Windom Earle
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There is not much next gen in it. Paying the price for being open world.
It tanks the performance in general, which is why even deferred console games tend to use very little shadow casting.
Hypothetically you can sometimes cull on the shadow rendering a little more efficiently with deferred light representations, and the final process of masking the light can sometimes be done a bit more efficiently, but deferred isn't even close to being a magic bullet here.
Gran Turismo 5 does relatively little simultaneous shadow-casting in my experience. Don't know about GTA5 as I haven't played it (will play GT6 soon, it's on the way).
I also wasn't aware that GT was using a deferred approach. At the very least I'd be surprised if GT5 was, since it uses a pretty large backbuffer resolution with sample-based AA on a console with an often bandwidth-starved GPU. Seems like it would be a poor fit. Do you have a link?
TheAdmiester
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Either you haven't seen a previous gen game in ages, or you've been looking at the 360 version of Horizon 2.
Sticky&Sweet
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So I got to spend a little more time with DriveClub - the lighting MAKES this game.
I don't find the game particularly fun (or good), but I'll keep playing to see all the environments.
That said, the game's visuals are quite hit or miss and I think FH2 is more consistent (haven't played FH2, just going by the footage). Parts of DC still look like they were molded out of clay for me, I can't quite put my finger on it.
I don't find the game particularly fun (or good), but I'll keep playing to see all the environments.
That said, the game's visuals are quite hit or miss and I think FH2 is more consistent (haven't played FH2, just going by the footage). Parts of DC still look like they were molded out of clay for me, I can't quite put my finger on it.
Windom Earle
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It is a very simple looking game with some trickery. It is doing its best, taking the limited resources and open world into account.
Deferred vs forward rendering difference is that you don't have to render scene lighting again for each light with deferred rendering. Deferred rendering does nothing for shadows performance.
TheAdmiester
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I'd definitely disagree with that, then.
That's a thing I've noticed as well about Horizon 2 - lower polycount. Check out the wheel arch of the FM5 gameplay pic compared to even a photomode shot of H2. You can barely even see the polygonal nature of the model in FM5, but Horizon 2 seems to have made sacrifices there. Everything else looks fantastic as can be though.
Neither of those are Photomode shots for Horizon 2. Ones a replay and ones gameplay. Forza 5 definitely does have higher poly car models though.
TheAdmiester
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I should've clarified, I meant compared to any Horizon 2 photomode shot, I wasn't implying yours were.
Either way, comparing gameplay to gameplay, you can still see the difference in the smoothness of the wheel arch in your screenshots.
Aeroknight94
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I think I going to use a different tv as a test. Thanks for the replies
It looks about on par with xbone version of GTA V, so I'd say his comment is fair. In a lot of ways even GTA V completely outclasses it in terms of rendering tech.
1.21Gigawatts
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What? Seriously?
Yes, if you've played both games you would know.
The car models in GTA 5 don't even sniff the rims and tires of Horizon 2.
The open world detail is great in GTA5 though.
Calling it barely next-gen and trickery is a stupid joke of a post though. Even DC uses "tricks" to create stunning foliage. It still looks good.
drotahorror
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Does your TV support limited and Full range RGB? If it's one or the other, make sure your TV and PS4 have the same settings ie (TV is limited, PS4 is set to limited, and vice versa when it comes to Full Range). Also, your TV may not be calibrated properly or doesn't display colors accurately. Try changing the color temperature on your TV, that should make some of the colors look different. Some TV's have normal color temperature by default and it may just not look right. Try changing it to blue or something or the other.
They do look a tad too clean so I dunno how representative it is at 720p (almost all of my gaming is at 1080p for GT5 and 6), but photomode in GT6 doesn't post-process when you stop moving the cam; I still notice dithering trees and such. It only post-processes after you "take" the screenshot where it loads for 3 seconds during a black screen before showing you the final image for you to save. You also can't go into photomode in cockpit view.
About the adaptive tessellation thing. The video in the link has been deleted but I remember it. It isn't a result of letting the photomode cam stand idle and waiting for it to occur; adaptive tessellation actually happens instantaneously during gameplay. He found a workaround to see it apply slower, and it can be seen by walking around in phototravel without being in photomode. The guy who made it at GTplanet said this:
1.21Gigawatts
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Eh. I have played both games. FH2 has far superior car models, interior models and shading on cars.
Windom Earle
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Considering GTA is doing a lot more and is much bigger than Horizon... I think it's mighty impressive.
So you're just gonna ignore that GTA V has much better lighting, higher res textures and shadows, dynamic shadows from every street light, much denser and more detailed world, 5 times more cars and people on the streets, not to mention countless simulations including interactive skies and water? High detailed cars are nice and all, but there's nothing specifically nextgen about it, hell GT6 tessellated models are orders of magnitude higher detailed than FH2, it's still a lastgen game.
Windom Earle
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It's a very basic looking game, even if you don't like hearing it.
I don't think you're right about that. I'm pretty sure the most crowded areas in FH2 (the festivals) have more people than GTAV by far.
You are joking, right?
Windom Earle
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He is right. H2 has better car models, GTA wins all other categories.
Except they're dummies, no collision detection, primitive looped animation, few polygons worth of modelling. GTA V pedestrians are way more detailed, have physics, animations, reactions to player's actions plus voice acting/facial animation.
Yes, I remember seeing that.
The video is gone, but there's this picture showing it left:
That bit was about GT6.
I'm surprised you didn't deliberately twist it with a splash of "yep, GT6 is in fact a last-gen game!"
My writing might not be the best though, I'm not a native speaker, so please excuse me for any crap grammar.
1.21Gigawatts
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I don't think GTA V has better lighting. Both have very stylized lighting.
Textures in GTA aren't better. Does GTA V have dynamic shadows under every street light? I never noticed that.
I'm not saying GTA V isn't more technologically impressive, but as a racing game its not on FH2 level visually.
Yep, textures in gta are actually somewhat higher res. In FH2 they're quite blurry and pixelated even as screens above show. GTA V has better lighting in a sense that it's more dynamic and random with how it plays with weather conditions. Basically what it means is every sunrise/sunset/midday/rain look the same in FH2 throughout the day, you really notice it if you've played for long, there basically one preset look for every stage of the day. In GTA V it's very variable, maybe at some point they start repeating, but in my play through no two sunrises/sunsets looked alike, there's always some twist that makes it look unique every game day.
I don't how you can seriously say it's not on the same level as FH2, the environments are way prettier in gta, the cars from 3rd person camera honestly have about the same level of detail, hell gta has much better reverb/echo in tunnels, the weather is also much better realized in gta with lightnings and stuff.
1.21Gigawatts
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Forza just clearly wins in the areas that count for racing games.
Edit: The bolded is also just plain wrong. Its not even close.
Well, I still have to see a GTA screenshot where the car looks like it was cropped from another scene and pasted there, whereas it's pretty common with FH2 screenshots, especially the ones featuring night and/or rain.
Please tell us what areas count for racing games?
Oh yes, it's fairly close, considering forza switches the cockpit to some low poly model, and the outside is about on par with gta. Not to mention that gta actually attempts to reflect environments somewhat accurately and horizon 2 reflects god knows what nothing to do with the games environment. They couldn't even be bothered with a simple cube mapped reflection.
Are you actually serious with this post? Environment cubemap is clearly there, it's just very subtle. Likely because it's not very accurate or detailed. But it does its job well enough to make cars integrate into environments
You can see it better with chrome paintjob..
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