It's very generic/low detail, doesn't even reflect white lines on the road, let alone other cars.
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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It's very generic/low detail, doesn't even reflect white lines on the road, let alone other cars.
I don't have the game, but I just did some quick YT surfing, and it seems like your car in FH2 reflects both the environment and other cars, and it's actually a reasonably clean reflection to boot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZQ1HFwEAeM&t=1m30s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZQ1HFwEAeM&t=1m30s
Shin-Ra
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I liked the bit where he jumps from the jeep to the train.Are you actually serious with this post? Environment cubemap is clearly there, it's just very subtle. Likely because it's not very accurate or detailed. But it does its job well enough to make cars integrate into environments
You can see it better with chrome paintjob.
He does legitimately look like Nathan Drake at times lol. At least a relative.
He's better at pushing jeeps to the limit tho.
dr guildo
Member
Is it really GT6 ?!
No way, it looks more nice than Pcars on PS4, too much polys on montains ! And that AF, never seen on PS4 racers yet ! !
At a glance I actually thought it was Driveclub lol. I didn't notice until I saw your post. It looks really good, even at 720p, but lighting aside it looks pretty last gen.
It's a very well-positioned shot from Circuit de la Sierra (I think) in GT6. Not sure what you mean by too much polys on the mountains; the low-poly mountains are a big part of what gives it away!
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
It looks amazing for a PS3 game. Holy shit!
Inf3cted_b3ast
Member
This thread makes me really anxious to see what Gt7 looks like compared to Driveclub. Driveclub plus the weather update left my jaw on the floor.
SolidSnakex
Member
As mentioned above, it's Circuit de la Sierra. A track that was added to GT6 last year as a free download. It's also the longest track in GT history. And it's the track that they debuted the Sierra Time Rally with. Or as I like to call it, the Outrun mode. Since that's what it really is (which is a very good thing).
GoldenCrow
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Arguments about FH2 and GTA5 make me want a new Midnight Club.
pixelation
Member
He does legitimately look like Nathan Drake at times lol. At least a relative.
He's better at pushing jeeps to the limit tho.
That honestly looks horrible, it looks like an action figure strapped to a toy car...
There aren't any physics on the driver AFAIK so yeah. Most racers have minimal physics applied to the driver at best. GTAV is one of the only games I can think of that puts an incredible amount of physics simulation into that, and even then the results aren't all that realistic.
pixelation
Member
Yeah, i think i'd almost prefer having no one driving the car... but i guess i'm in the minority here heh.
No it don't GTA look like a last gen game which it is. Nothing on gta5 compare to forza. If you truly believe what you say then it looks better than gt5 and gt6 also. You too asshats should be laughed out of this thread.
Am surprise your not band already. Your as bad as that jackass from the forza 4 threads years ago.
DirgeExtinction
Member
I guess a nerve was touched, lol
It's going to look janky either way. Might as well embrace it. Maybe even go the extra mile and replace the driver with a laddergoat.
The word choices make this physically painful to read.
NullPointer
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pixelation
Member
Well becoming a one man band must be really hard... with all of the coordination needed and all that jazz...
Windom Earle
Member
Haha, wow.
He has a bright future here on GAF. /s
I'm surprised how well GT6 hold up compared to the current gen racers. Polyphony Digital gonna melt faces with GT7.
Chris Metal
Member
If you ask nicely I might. Until then you can stare at the loading screen and my amazing drifting skills.
Sorry for the late reply. I intended to get home and draw you a nice diagram with a Surface pro pen but didn't get a chance. I can only offer you a finger painting I did on the way back. I swear this was not drawn by a 4 yr old, promise.
The blueish gray is the shadow Forza projects and the normal gray is what it should actually be.
It seems to project its shadows on the track from above. Like a really old method of planar projected shadows. I don't know what they actually use but that is what the results look like. There is an inaccurate blob under the car instead of AO and the shadows do not match the objects position relative to the light source
Cars don't cause shadows on other cars either if I recall correctly.
Fh2 the cars cast shadows on each other. Also the driver shadow is cast onto the dash.Sorry for the late reply. I intended to get home and draw you a nice diagram with a Surface pro pen but didn't get a chance. I can only offer you a finger painting I did on the way back. I swear this was not drawn by a 4 yr old, promise.
The blueish gray is the shadow Forza projects and the normal gray is what it should actually be.
It seems to project its shadows on the track from above. Like a really old method of planar projected shadows. I don't know what they actually use but that is what the results look like. There is an inaccurate blob under the car instead of AO and the shadows do not match the objects position relative to the light source
Cars don't cause shadows on other cars either if I recall correctly.
Wait a minute that's a glitch right. Just finish playing storm island. I finish the storm island final race, still have a few races left to complete.If you ask nicely I might. Until then you can stare at the loading screen and my amazing drifting skills.
I'm not talking about Horizon.
icecold1983
Member
nah, their reflection system is horribly slow+produces poor results. they should have gone with ssr. their anti aliasing solutions on pc do a terrible job at fixing aliasing despite being extremely demanding. theres not even a quality temporal solution here. hell they didnt even implement nvidias txaa. the game in general is very graphically simple even at the highest settings where perf just grinds to a halt on even the fastest hardware
icecold1983
Member
hes just confusing the shadow casting part. theres no magic solution to enable tons of shadow casting lights currently. its one of the fastest ways to eat up resources.
Windom Earle
Member
There are two very demanding settings in there (one of them being reflections). And the game runs fine as long as you don't expect to max it out with 40 cars and rain.
Also I think the SMAA is ok. Not the best, but I am always happy to have SMAA. Optimization is the least of the game's problems, as long as you are not on AMD.
icecold1983
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it takes a very high level of downsampling to begin to quell the absurd amount of shimmer in the game. theres absolutely no reason for that to be the case. the smaa looks terrible in motion. the IQ In this game is awful if you dont have insane amts of gpu power. and again i dont know the full details of their reflection system(i read its a hybrid of cube maps and some other techniques), but even on the performance destroying ultra setting, the reflections are of low quality, and very glitchy and buggy.
Well, it's nice to see that misterxmedia himself has joined the discussion.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
As I said, car models and everything that goes along(shaders etc.), the quality of motion, the sense of speed, the roads aren't edgy in FH2, the road textures are better, amount of foliage around tracks is higher most of the time.
GTA V does have better trees and all, but there aren't many of them, while in FH2 you have dense vegatation next to the road.
I agree that FH2 visual are not as diverse as GTA Vs, though. But as a racing game I'd definitely prefer FH2 over GTA V visually.
Looks at these two:
GTA V:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYDCQXwFcnw
FH2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-J01Rh9eA
Maybe I'm weird but to me this is obvious.
Edit: Changed the GTA V footaged. I think the other one was last gen footage.
Aceofspades
Banned
Some textures comparison between GT6/FM5 on Mount Panorama Circuit (new to both series)
Ouch at Forza!
I think its unfair to compare these two franchises, obviously PD outclass T10 on all fronts.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
This goes for almost every console game including current-gen. Even in those direct feed 1080p shots GT6 somehow still ends up looking better than PS4 pCars in many areas.
gt6
ps4 pcars
Those are photomode pCars as well. Maybe nibs can get some replay captures of Willow Springs?
GT6 looks so realistic here. Much better than PCars. Arggh this thread is just getting me more hyped for GT7 but I'm scared E3 will crush my dreams with a no show.
Well except sounds, ui layout, multiplayer, career, car list.
As someone who spent July - September driving through Forza 4, then 3, then 2 for Forza Rewards, I must say that Forza 5's Career Mode is a bloody let-down of epic proportions, even putting the terrible Forza 2's to shame.
Forza 3 was the best with their weird thing of "Pick an event out of these 3, do them, then do a Championship Race". Not perfect, but it had it's moments.
Forza 4 was a big downstep with that 3-15 races per season, which never filled out your Event List, making the Career Mode pretty barebones.
Forza 5 just went back to Forza 2's Structure with just an Event List, but this time with no Endurance Races.
If GT has worse Career Modes than F5, please tell me as I don't know how that game does it.
As someone who spent July - September driving through Forza 4, then 3, then 2 for Forza Rewards, I must say that Forza 5's Career Mode is a bloody let-down of epic proportions, even putting the terrible Forza 2's to shame.
Forza 3 was the best with their weird thing of "Pick an event out of these 3, do them, then do a Championship Race". Not perfect, but it had it's moments.
Forza 4 was a big downstep with that 3-15 races per season, which never filled out your Event List, making the Career Mode pretty barebones.
Forza 5 just went back to Forza 2's Structure with just an Event List, but this time with no Endurance Races.
If GT has worse Career Modes than F5, please tell me as I don't know how that game does it.
The problems of GT6 career is that it's basically glorified overtaking challenges rather than actual races. It's always rolling starts, the AI is heavily rubber banded in your advantage without being exciting/challenging, they give you X number of laps to overtake X number of guys. No damage in career means you can bounce off other racers without penalty, all you have to do is match your performance rating to other cars and you're good to go.
I agree that FM5's career was disappointing, I've enjoyed the free forming career of FM4 much better, if anything I would like them to infuse personality that FM5 introduced into FM4 style layout. I've long abandoned FM5 but I still get a few races in FM4 here and there because it has so much content it will take anyone a while to go through all of it. Let's hope FM6 returns to that formula and improves on it.
OccamsLightsaber
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I think you might need to read the thread title again.
detrimental
Banned
As an Aussie, and a keen V8 Supercars fan who's been to Bathurst...
Wow. They really butchered this.
Handy Fake
Member
Three's technical diagram is the greatest thing I have ever seen and needs more love.
Some textures comparison between GT6/FM5 on Mount Panorama Circuit (new to both series).
Let's not forget how GT6 is actually rendering dozens of miles of terrain in every direction (and even a part of the city), while Forza 5 still uses images as the backgrounds.
That makes GT even more impressive.
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