rokkerkory
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Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen)
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50% more cars on screen will put a hamper on a big gfx upgrade
I think they were just trying to push too much and Sony was initially touting PS3 can do 1080p games and putting on pressure, people would have been fine with these graphics at 720p. GT1-4 had extremely stable framerates. I'm more concerned about them not upgrading the standard cars and fully remaking old fantasy tracks lol.
BruceLeeRoy
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I dunno mang, I quite like the lighting.
Start Race screen:
That first screen looks like i'm about to start a Cruis'N USA track. I really don't like the lighting in FM either I think it ends up making the car models less impressive than they actually are because they almost look plastic at times.
Replay graphics are the same as gameplay though.
Sure but from completely different camera angles. Look the game is absolutely gorgeous especially when you consider that it runs on a last gen console, PD are gods, but the gifs are not a true representation of what you see while you are racing. The gameplay video is fairly different. The same principle applies to screenshots. That was my point.
SolidSnakex
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Well, they'll be back to having a balanced console to work with again. Kaz did an interview around a couple of months before GT6's launch and talked about how difficult it was to work with the PS3 because of how poorly balanced it was. And even went into the fact that visually they could do things on the PS2 that they couldn't on the PS3 (like the heat haze effect). So the PS4 will finally let them show what they can do without constantly fighting with the hardware they're working with.
Agreed. Rio is way too colorful. My favorite track so far from the demo was Sebring. I think the rain was a big factor.
I'm still not getting what you're saying friend. Here's a comparison of a similar camera angle, the gameplay and replay looks the same. I posted screenshots because you can view them in full 1080p with graphical artifacts.
Psycho_Mantis
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Replay graphics are the same as gameplay though.
dat skybox......I don't remember it looking that good in GT5.
They added a cloud system to GT6.
I'm still not getting what you're saying friend. Here's a comparison of a similar camera angle, the gameplay and replay looks the same. I posted screenshots because you can view them in full 1080p with graphical artifacts.
The game does not look like that while you are driving/playing. I don't know how else to say it. Here are some shots lifted from DF.
The game does not look like that while you are driving/playing. I don't know how else to say it. Here are some shots lifted from DF.
These look so bad lol.
Actually they look great for a PS3 game but the whole idea of photomode/replay is total bs to me as often times it is not a true/genuine representation of what the player perceives when playing the game.
The game does not look like that while you are driving/playing. I don't know how else to say it. Here are some shots lifted from DF.
My first shot of the s2000 is while playing/driving, just showing the reverse view to see the front of the car.
Those DF pics are of different tracks, different lighting condition, they're not even showing the tracks with dynamic lighting. These are my gameplay captures while playing.
Nah, just the ones with trees. Seems like they don't have any AA applied to them.
And the chain link fences. And the desert shrubs.
Yeah. I only notice the ones on the trees when playing though, they take a hit pretty bad. The desert shrubs actually look pretty good when playing.
Hopefully they'll tease GT7 some time soon. With better textures and more detailed environments the game should look ridiculously good.
Windom Earle
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You know FM6 is disappointing when we are back to posting GT pics. :lol
As if that would be a causality.. ;-)
Liquidsnake
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Psycho_Mantis
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So its all dynamic? Does the skybox rely on the weather system such that it may look different each time at sunset depending on atmospheric conditions?
The clouds change as time passes, but they update veeery slowly. And I think they look the same everytime tho.
https://youtu.be/PoUTPiNt6mM?t=3m15s
https://youtu.be/d4oQvuFdY1k?t=7s
But still looks great as they are properly lit according to the time of day.
It's dynamic in that you can have a clear sky and then the clouds will slowly fade in throughout the race if you have the weather setting turned above 0; but if it starts raining then the clouds disappear and the sky is just overcast lighting. However, the cloud skybox looks to appear in a loop, so it seems to be the same clouds appearing at sunset if the clouds do appear at that time. So you can either see the same clouds appearing at that specific time, or you can have a clear sky with no clouds either in sunny or overcast lighting. My ps3 data got corrupted and I don't even have the game installed right now to do another timelapse of weather, but here are some old gifs showing the 3 types of sky condition. Sunny clear - Partly cloudy - Overcast.
Edit: Beatin, just check out Yiazmat's videos lol.
Aliasing and lighting are still sore spots to Forza's visuals in FM6. I appreciate the focus on performance being most important, but playing the FM6 demo left me a little disappointed in the graphics. It looked best at night and in the rain. I really like that they were able to have your headlights cast shadows of the cars on the environment. Nice touch that I liked in DC.
I was also expecting the 3D puddles in FM6 to not just be completely flat with just a reflective texture. I was hoping the water would move when drove through.
I was also expecting the 3D puddles in FM6 to not just be completely flat with just a reflective texture. I was hoping the water would move when drove through.
Funnily enough, that was exactly what my brother said when I showed him Autovista in FM4. And it was me suggesting to him how amazing it looks. I think this sums it up perfectly.
Edit: Case in point, this photo:
Just looks like it's raytraced from the 90s/early 2000s to me.It has moments. Once photomode is out I think there will be some amazing pictures.
Side question: what do the crowds look like this time? I saw them blurry in some shots in the other thread, but curious to see if they kept similar models.
Also, can anyone tell me if the wheels blur during replays? Not in photo mode but actual replays themselves (or an outside view of the car where you can see the wheels)... DC doesn't do this (even though it did in the original trailers) and I find it takes away from the realism if they don't blur.
I think with an extra little bit of dev time over FM5 (which was obviously rushed for XBO launch) there'd be a significant change. Maybe there wasn't a change so much, just an addition of features like weather and night racing.
Yup. It's not always looking realistic, but every so often I catch myself thinking it's real. Racing with bumper cam continually gives me feelings like I'm in an interactive version of Rendez Vous. Only other game to give me that feeling is PGR4.
Which is why I want city racing in DC.
It's dynamic in that you can have a clear sky and then the clouds will slowly fade in throughout the race if you have the weather setting turned above 0; but if it starts raining then the clouds disappear and the sky is just overcast lighting. However, the cloud skybox looks to appear in a loop, so it seems to be the same clouds appearing at sunset if the clouds do appear at that time. So you can either see the same clouds appearing at that specific time, or you can have a clear sky with no clouds either in sunny or overcast lighting. My ps3 data got corrupted and I don't even have the game installed right now to do another timelapse of weather, but here are some old gifs showing the 3 types of sky condition. Sunny clear - Partly cloudy - Overcast.
Edit: Beatin, just check out Yiazmat's videos lol.
WHOA what where when?
if that PS3 balancing issue is true...
GT7 is going to put every type of videogame to shame.
Inf3cted_b3ast
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Every time I mention the blur to them on twitter, I always get ignored.
Summer Haze
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Credit goes to SunhiLegend.
yizamat said:
What the hell…I cannot even fathom how good GT7 may potentially look...
Credit goes to SunhiLegend.
Some gamersyde Forza 6 replays. (Credit to Shinn from the Forza thread)
I know (60fps and 24cars) but damn.... DC looks a whole generation better.
Foutrologue
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Can we please have better AA in game? The current EQAA is frankly lousy... (and rain drops on windshield @ 60fps during races please) :-(
The fact that they put the effort they did into the environments along with the cars, helps DC in looking so bloody good.
It's dynamic in that you can have a clear sky and then the clouds will slowly fade in throughout the race if you have the weather setting turned above 0; but if it starts raining then the clouds disappear and the sky is just overcast lighting. However, the cloud skybox looks to appear in a loop, so it seems to be the same clouds appearing at sunset if the clouds do appear at that time. So you can either see the same clouds appearing at that specific time, or you can have a clear sky with no clouds either in sunny or overcast lighting. My ps3 data got corrupted and I don't even have the game installed right now to do another timelapse of weather, but here are some old gifs showing the 3 types of sky condition. Sunny clear - Partly cloudy - Overcast.
Edit: Beatin, just check out Yiazmat's videos lol.
Wait a sec, this is GT6? Holy balls.....GT7 is going to explode brains isn't it?
Also those F6 replays look really nice. That 50% car increase really shows and looks great
Forza is also doing a lot more in the physics department, going by how both feel.
And that's how you do water dissipation. "3D" puddles etc.
Credit goes to SunhiLegend.
Driveclub doesn't have hydroplaning or any water interaction of that nature. So...huh?
TheAdmiester
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Yeah, driving wise Driveclub is basically the same game when it's raining. The most harmful effect of the rain is actually the obscured vision, not the lack of grip. Forza does it way better.
That reminds me how ridiculously hard it is to see the road in DC when it's raining? I am having a much easier time seeing the road in FM6 when it's raining. Props to T10 for prioritizing visibility over overusage of effects.
Exactly.
Thats why even though Polyphony are wizards, I really doubt they will top DC visuals.
GT car models and lighting are still a benchmark, but most of their tracks would need a TON of work to catch up to DC standards.
Hydroplaning != dissipation.
Crayon
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I kno. If gt7 doesn't wipe the floor with everything else graphics wise, I'll be disappointed.
Altho I'll take the gt6 graphics all over again if it means morpheus support. All day.
From what I'm reading in the official forums, Forza's puddles do not interact with the wheels, you glide over them every time. Even cones float on top of the "puddle". It's more akin to black ice, so really, what is the point of a "3D puddle" besides an obnoxious loss in steering like you always hydroplane...
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