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DICKS AHOY
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That sucks; Pious Augustus would be a pretty unique addition to Smash and I'm pretty sure Nintendo still owns the rights to him if they own the ED name.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
To be fair, aren't Brawl's assets also "redone" versions?
Professor Beef
Banned
DLC for what?
Fire Emblem 3DS.
Chet Rippo
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I didn't even recognize that as Roy.
You don't even recognize your own boy?
Chet Rippo
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I like Ike.
NeonZ
Member
He pretty much already back tracked on that though. IIRC, in the SSB WiiU/3DS interview he said that he planned to start with Brawl and change things from there. I guess the 3DS version might have changed his plans.
He still kept the same line about how adding many characters wouldn't be interesting though.
Professor Beef
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Shadow Hog
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Not to be prude, but wouldn't that be a bit... graphic, for a Smash game? I mean, if Sakurai's gone out of his way to disallow realistic guns, I'm sure a guy who still apparently has rotting flesh on his otherwise skeletal face might be pushing it.That sucks; Pious Augustus would be a pretty unique addition to Smash and I'm pretty sure Nintendo still owns the rights to him if they own the ED name.
InfiniDragon
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Marth definitely needs to have his new outfit (and new Falchion) in this game. The redesign is too awesome to overlook.
And Roy needs to be put back into Smash after getting the utterly badass new threads.
And Roy needs to be put back into Smash after getting the utterly badass new threads.
Chet Rippo
Member
He's just Marth. Nothing fancy about that.
InfiniDragon
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Marth is an OG. Doesn't need any of that fancy chanting, just like Link, Samus and Mario didn't. XD
I mentioned earlier in this topic that Roy is very popular in Japan. Heck, Roy is one of the two most wanted newcomers for Smash 4 in Japan (the other being Mewtwo). FE6 was the third highest selling game in the FE series in Japan.
I would really love to see Roy's re-design used in Smash 4.
Also, Krom in FE13 has both Aether and Quick Draw, so I think if Krom does make it in Smash 4, he would be a luigi-fied clone at the very least.
I would really love to see Roy's re-design used in Smash 4.
Also, Krom in FE13 has both Aether and Quick Draw, so I think if Krom does make it in Smash 4, he would be a luigi-fied clone at the very least.
I am loving that new design for Roy. Hoping to see him return in Smash 4.
Also, Kid Icarus spoilers.
I can't believe I'm saying it, but I don't mind Sakurai putting as many Kid Icarus characters as he wants into the game. Great games with great characters deserve the representation in Smash.
Also, Kid Icarus spoilers.
Pyrrhon is fucking awesome. I want him in. Make it happen, Sakurai.
I can't believe I'm saying it, but I don't mind Sakurai putting as many Kid Icarus characters as he wants into the game. Great games with great characters deserve the representation in Smash.
DICKS AHOY
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Oh I realize he's way way out there for obvious rating reasons and I just meant he'd be neat as a 'what the fuck' addition, but if they dial a few things back on him like they did for Snake he'd be a neat undead fighter who could come with a whole bunch of fun insanity effects.
Also that Roy redesign is pretty neat looking. Is the new Fire Emblem for the 3DS, ignoring the fact I don't own a 3DS and don't intend on getting one for awhile worth getting as a beginner to the series (I'm assuming it's coming West-side)?
Black-Wind
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I agree.
I think it's very important to take anything he said with a gain of salt.
Not only was this said in 2008 (which was in the Wii generation were Nintendo actually canned new "core" IPs like Project HAMMER in favor of casual titles) it was said before a lots of interesting things happened for Nintendo. For example, they brang back Punch Out!!! and S&P (He himself renewed KI). And for New Ips they went on a JRPG run by making IPs like Xenoblade and The Last Story/ Pandora's Tower (at the very least all of them should be owned by Nintendo and Xenoblade was at least made by a 2nd/1st party company).
And on top of that there's an ever growing number of long running Ips with no characters on the roster like Golden Sun/ Advanced Wars. There's no "lack" of characters that could take a spot and even Sakurai knows it (He states that he didn't want to tell an interviewer what characters he wanted in brawl that he couldn't get in because he might put them in the next game).
Sir Ilpalazzo
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That statement suggests that Golden Sun, at least, won't get any playable characters in SSB.
Black-Wind
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What statement and how so?
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Maybe it's not concrete, but he did flat-out say that he doesn't think any post-2001 Nintendo series could get playable characters in SSB. Golden Sun is pretty much included in that.
It doesn't help that Brawl was closer to the last big Golden Sun release than the next Smash Bros. will be, and even it didn't get a playable Golden Sun character. I don't think Golden Sun and Advance Wars are "ever-growing", either.
It doesn't help that Brawl was closer to the last big Golden Sun release than the next Smash Bros. will be, and even it didn't get a playable Golden Sun character. I don't think Golden Sun and Advance Wars are "ever-growing", either.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hmm true, and it's one of those new games that never got much popularity.
Black-Wind
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It says that because of Nintendo not making lots of new Character Driven IPs in the time between Melee and Brawl or w/e Sakurai thinks it would be "hard" to include more new relevant characters as of 2008 ... he never said "Well damn, none of the few characters Nintendo has come up with in the time between Melee and Brawl are good enough to get in soooo .... yeah:/".
And the last Golden Sun game was Golden Sun: Dark Dawn which was released in 2010 ... 2 years after that was stated. Unless by "Big Golden Sun release" you're referring to some arbitrary goal post I'm not getting or if there's some kinda retro-active effect in place (not sure how Dark Dawn being released closer to brawl means anything when it was released years after brawl. Hell, Sakurai even implies that something "from Melee to Brawl" could get in in that statement from the way I'm reading it so there's no telling how "new" a title or series must be to be relevant in his eyes).
As for Advanced Wars ... it's a franchise with 15 titles under it's belt (It's apart of the Nintendo War series along with "Battalion Wars" games. It's one of those series that keeps going). The latest game in the series came out like a month or so before Brawl in the US.
In both cases I think it's reasonably to expect more titles in these series. One could argue that at the very least Sakurai has taken notice of these series with brawls ATs, showing that they're not off his radar and he at least knows of them.
He was saying Golden Sun 2, the last Golden Sun game as of Brawl's release, was closer to Brawl than Golden Sun 3, the last Golden Sun as of Smash 4's release, will be to Smash 4.
He's wrong - GS2 to Brawl was 5 years, GS3 to Smash 4 will probably be 4-5 years - but that's what he was saying. Why would you think otherwise? How could Dark Dawn impact Golden Sun's chances to get a character in Brawl when Brawl came out two years earlier? Why would you even consider the possibility that that was what he was talking about?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I wouldn't be surprised, however I will support Golden Sun's inclusion as playable character because I thought they deserve it.
I have been feeling that Golden Sun character would not get in for a while. I think the prospects for a Golden Sun character are very overrated. The third game did very poorly, while the first two games were very successful.
Also, here is a larger picture of Roy's re-design:
The character designer for The Last Story did it, and I must say I would love to see an entire Fire Emblem with his character designs.
I bet A LOT of people would love to use this Roy in Smash 4.
Jorok Goldblade
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If it becomes too much of an issue, he could always be a bit more stylized.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Just damn @ Roy Art.
He's one of my favorite character in Melee, but I wouldn't be biter if he didn't get in SSB4. After I saw that new art work, I think I might be bitter if he didn't get in despite that I know his chance is pretty slim.
He's one of my favorite character in Melee, but I wouldn't be biter if he didn't get in SSB4. After I saw that new art work, I think I might be bitter if he didn't get in despite that I know his chance is pretty slim.
I think Roy's chances are much better than most people think. Roy was planned for Brawl, and he was likely one of the last two of the Forbidden 7 to be dropped. He is one of the most requested characters in Japan, and the most requested Fire Emblem character in the West. Combine this with the fact that Intelligent Systems has expressed interested in remaking FE6 (Roy's game), I think re-introducing Roy with his re-design would be a good move on Sakurai's part and he would be extremely well-received.
I actually want a Kid Icarus stage where all the awesome characters from KI:U appear. I'd love a stage where all the Gods appear in their giant form in the background, spouting ridiculously great one-liners and calling down hazards.
It would be a better way of capturing the personalities.
He'd have to be toned down, but I think Pious would be a cool Magic-based character.
He is. Monolith Soft is first party, so any character from Xenoblade is Nintendo IP.
most requested? Most requested Fire Emblem character in the West? where are you getting these statistics.
Just my observations. There have also been some official polls that attest to Roy's popularity within the Fie Emblem series in Japan.
I wouldn't be surprised, most people probably only know FE through Smash.
I like Roy's redesign, would definitely set him apart more visually if he got in with it.
can you give me links to these polls?
Because I'm pretty sure the most requested for Brawl was Ike, Marth and Lyn over Roy.
Considering that there was no ever actually a Brawl poll, its impossible to say that Ike, Marth, and Lyn were more requested than Roy. What you are thinking about is the Brawl Journal, which was a limited time run in which Japanese Smash fans could suggest various things to be in Brawl (music, stages, "characters") as well as talk about their own personal experiences with the Smash Bros. series.
Sakurai admitted that he decided most of Brawl's roster in 2005, and Ike's inclusion came about as a result of Sakurai going to Intelligent Systems for advice on who to include in Brawl as FE's newcomer (since six new lords were made after Roy).
As to evidence of Roy's popularity within Fire Emblem, here is an official poll done by IS for character popularity within FE6:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/afej/k_tohyo/index.html
Roy is ranked first.
By comparison, here is an official poll that was done for FE7:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/ae7j/k_tohyo/index.html
Notice Lyn is sixth.
There was a poll done in Nintendo Dream (the official Nintendo magazine in Japan) in the May 6th 2005 issue in regards to who was the most popular character in the entire GBA Fire Emblem trilogy. Roy got first place in that poll as well.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Tough one. Hmmm.
I would cut Luigi because I want Sakurai to add Vacuum Luigi to represent his own franchise, rather than mushroom kingdom. If Yoshi, Donkey and Wario can then Luigi should able to.
Luigi shouldn't have his own world icon. Yeah, there was Luigi's Mansion and the upcoming outsourced second-party sequel, but he still means more to the overall Mario series, and Mario himself still appears in Luigi's Mansion. You could argue that Yoshi is a Mario character, but he has about 10 games to his name versus Luigi's 2, and some of Yoshi's games are completely void of Mario. DK and Wario are definitely on another level and have earned their own Smash Bros. series icons.
That's a tough one... I guess I would cut Lucario in favor of another Pokemon.
darkpaladinmfc
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I'd cut ROB because I don't find him very interesting.
Professor Beef
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Game & Watch and/or ROB. Mainly because I'm not a fan of those kinds of nostalgia gimmick characters.
what the fuck. game & watch is fun to play as, looks cool and has awesome stages.
PS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME IS NOSTALGIA GIMMICK CHARACTERS
Professor Beef
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Fine, I'll clarify. I'm not a fan of shitty "hey look it's nintendo's roots before mario you should enjoy these kinda guys" characters. I thought G&W was a nice distraction in Melee, I thought ROB was stupid in Mario Kart, and my feelings only intensified when I found out both of them were in Brawl.
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