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None of those are real reasons why she shouldn't be in on the objective side, just personal dislikes. :/

I don't honestly care. She's a terrible character and doesn't deserve any slot, that's how I feel about Krystal. (Nintendo doesn't think otherwise probably though) Most people associated her with the downfall of the franchise anyways. BESIDES, Star Fox doesn't really need 4 characters. 3 is honestly enough. I won't say that I can't see Nintendo putting her in the roster though (I honestly thought she was gonna make it in Brawl. I was pretty happy to hear Wolf got in instead)

I'd rather they focus on giving other deserving franchises with more characters like Metroid and F-Zero... Seriously 3 games and they still don't have a second character lol

 

[Boss Doggie]

Why are they more "deserving" than what would be the 4th member of the "trope tree"? The love interest/ female protag fills that spot left after partner/ rival (Falco) and antagonist (Wolf).

Wolf isn't the antagonist of the series (it's Andross), he's more of a rival. Falco's just the second in command dude.

And Slippy or Leon has more chance because they're more recognized by fans. They have better "fan power", so to say.

I don't honestly care. She's a terrible character and doesn't deserve any slot, that's how I feel about Krystal. (Nintendo doesn't think otherwise probably though) Most people associated her with the downfall of the franchise anyways. BESIDES, Star Fox doesn't really need 4 characters. 3 is honestly enough. I won't say that I can't see Nintendo putting her in the roster though (I honestly thought she was gonna make it in Brawl. I was pretty happy to hear Wolf got in instead)

I'd rather they focus on giving other deserving franchises with more characters like Metroid and F-Zero... Seriously 3 games and they still don't have a second character lol

Well it's a what-if question, so that point of "deserving" is moot

Besides, the "deserving games" qualifier is pointless and never used by Sakurai at all, yet people like to bring it up a lot.

 

[BGBW]

I'll just say this since most of the previous points seem to have been ignored.

Why Pacman could be in Smash Bros

• One of the biggest icons in game. I have no idea why you don't accept this as a valid reason.
• He has a show coming out. Perfect opportunity for some exposure.
• He has a decent presence on Nintendo systems and collaborations like PacMan Vs and Mario Kart GP.
• He is the face of Namco.

 

[fisheyes]

I'll just say this since most of the previous points seem to have been ignored.

Why Pacman could be in Smash Bros

• One of the biggest icons in game. I have no idea why you don't accept this as a valid reason.
• He has a show coming out. Perfect opportunity for some exposure.
• He has a decent presence on Nintendo systems and collaborations like PacMan Vs and Mario Kart GP.
• He is the face of Namco.

• One of the few exisiting video game characters that have been around as long as Nintendo's oldest characters that are still relevant in some way
• Appears in all manner of cross-over games

On the opposite side of the coin, Blackwind's argument seems to be 'Namco haven't even mentioned him'... who have they mentioned, exactly? I think they've talked about possible characters twice, if that, and both times, somebody has asked 'will [x] be in the game?' and Namco have responded 'we will see if Sakurai wants [x] in the game'. Nothing else. Is that the entirety of the argument?

 

[Red Arremer]

Krystal has less personality than any other of the Star Fox characters, and in a series where the characters have almost no personality at all, that's saying something.
The only thing that Krystal brings to the table is having tits.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Krystal has less personality than any other of the Star Fox characters, and in a series where the characters have almost no personality at all, that's saying something.
The only thing that Krystal brings to the table is having tits.

I was thinking staff-based combat, honestly.

She can't be the only one with a staff, though. Though she is the first one to come to my mind when thinking about Nintendo-owned staff-wielding characters.

 

[McNum]

I was thinking staff-based combat, honestly.

She can't be the only one with a staff, though. Though she is the first one to come to my mind when thinking about Nintendo-owned staff-wielding characters.

The only other that comes to mind is Palutena. But that's more a a magic staff than a martial arts staff melee type. They could both be in the game and not share a single move.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Most of the SFA staff is magical too you know

 

[McNum]

Most of the SFA staff is magical too you know

I know, but there's a difference between a magic quarter staff that you mainly use to hit people with as well as shoot generic magic bolts from its tip and a staff wielded by a goddess, capable of bending light and reshaping the Earth itself. One is a close combat specialist, the other fights from afar.

Even if I could see Palutena clobber someone with her staff out of principle. Pit, most likely.

But since Palutena is Pit's final Smash, she needs to be relieved of that duty. Good thing Pit got a suitable replacement in Uprising. That's spoilers for the final boss, by the way, so don't click if you don't want to know.

 

[Red Arremer]

Fire Emblem has a lot of polearm users. I'd rather have Ephraim from Sacred Stones over Krystal.

 

[McNum]

Fire Emblem has a lot of polearm users. I'd rather have Ephraim from Sacred Stones over Krystal.

I almost want to see a mounted fighter in Smash. Now that would be a fun Fire Emblem representative. Maybe a Pegasus rider, but anyone on horseback would do. Doesn't Ephraim promote into a mounted lance user?

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Ok, why?
And if SF gets a 4th member then why not her?

I totally agree. If there is one more person coming from SF, I wouldn't mind if it was Krystal. I think she would be a great addition from that franchise if they have her use her staff primarily while the other characters use a lot of guns. She definitely has a lot of potential if done properly and I don't see why people would deny her unless they had an affinity for another SF character..

 

[Nocturnowl]

Not that I have any desire for Krystal in Smash at all but it's always fun to see the hater base going out of their way to discredit her role in the series when it's pretty much the same as the rest, and seriously guys, Panther and Leon are more important? that's a laugh i'll tell ya, they couldn't even make it to Assault's versus mode, at least they made it to command as playable characters but we apparently have to ignore that one because KURSED KRYSTAL funnily enough.

A shame that the staff wont get a moveset based off it because it's absolutely prime material for one, too bad tits are used as the great for and against her inclusion, not that SF needs any more reps.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Bomberman.

 

[GamerSoul]

Remember guys, Palutena and/or Medusa could easily fill in that role as a staff user. Therefore no more Star Fox characters plz.

Oh I didnt see this post.

I know, but there's a difference between a magic quarter staff that you mainly use to hit people with as well as shoot generic magic bolts from its tip and a staff wielded by a goddess, capable of bending light and reshaping the Earth itself. One is a close combat specialist, the other fights from afar.

Even if I could see Palutena clobber someone with her staff out of principle. Pit, most likely.

But since Palutena is Pit's final Smash, she needs to be relieved of that duty. Good thing Pit got a suitable replacement in Uprising. That's spoilers for the final boss, by the way, so don't click if you don't want to know.

It's still possible imo for Palutena to use her staff more for combat. This is Smash, anything is possible. If they wanted to they could add Medusa to be more of the aggressive staff user also.

 

[Red Arremer]

Not that I have any desire for Krystal in Smash at all but it's always fun to see the hater base going out of their way to discredit her role in the series when it's pretty much the same as the rest, and seriously guys, Panther and Leon are more important? that's a laugh i'll tell ya, they couldn't even make it to Assault's versus mode, at least they made it to command as playable characters but we apparently have to ignore that one because KURSED KRYSTAL funnily enough.

A shame that the staff wont get a moveset based off it because it's absolutely prime material for one, too bad tits are used as the great for and against her inclusion, not that SF needs any more reps.

I don't like Panther either, but that's because I don't like the character design and the whole "latin womanizer" concept.

But to explain my reason for hating Krystal, it's rather easy.
Krystal marks the downfall of the series with Adventures. During the transformation from Dinosaur Planet to Star Fox Adventures, Krystal also devolved - from a playable heroine with normal clothing to an objectified oversexualized token damsel in distress with skimpy clothing and a giant rack, and Fox McCloud's sole reason to save the dinosaur planet is to get his hands on her furry tits. That's all she was there for. To have tits.

I found SF Adventures to be an atrocious game - it would have been a meh 3D-Zelda clone if it wasn't for the dumb, forced inclusions of the shooting and racing sections, the absolute disappointment of the final boss, the non-existence of an immersing story ("omg, fox tits, gotta go kill evil guys *drool*"), the really dumb camera and clunky controls, the annoying sidekick dinosaur... all of it add up to a pile of shit, and Krystal represents this pile of shit as a symbol.

She is the symbol of the ruination of a possibly good game (Dinosaur Planet), the ruination of the good Star Fox series, and she represents everything that is wrong with the representation of females in video games.

For me, Krystal is to Star Fox what Other M is to Metroid.

 

[Nocturnowl]

Well, okay then. SFA was kind of mediocre, yet I played it a hell of a lot back in the day. Unfortunately for Starfox I don't view its downfall with one character, I pin it on the whole series as one big old decline regardless of Krystal's perfect timing for such status, though I do kind of enjoy Assault, that multiplayer was funky.

Why back at the time to me Krystal was just a fox that was female and the outfit was just because local customs I guess, ahh my once pure mind.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I know, but there's a difference between a magic quarter staff that you mainly use to hit people with as well as shoot generic magic bolts from its tip and a staff wielded by a goddess, capable of bending light and reshaping the Earth itself. One is a close combat specialist, the other fights from afar.

Even if I could see Palutena clobber someone with her staff out of principle. Pit, most likely.

I was just being finicky about magic staff

I totally agree. If there is one more person coming from SF, I wouldn't mind if it was Krystal. I think she would be a great addition from that franchise if they have her use her staff primarily while the other characters use a lot of guns. She definitely has a lot of potential if done properly and I don't see why people would deny her unless they had an affinity for another SF character..

Not that I have any desire for Krystal in Smash at all but it's always fun to see the hater base going out of their way to discredit her role in the series when it's pretty much the same as the rest, and seriously guys, Panther and Leon are more important? that's a laugh i'll tell ya, they couldn't even make it to Assault's versus mode, at least they made it to command as playable characters but we apparently have to ignore that one because KURSED KRYSTAL funnily enough.

A shame that the staff wont get a moveset based off it because it's absolutely prime material for one, too bad tits are used as the great for and against her inclusion, not that SF needs any more reps.

It's simply going more on character popularity. I don't really give a crap if she "started ruining the series", it's just that, at least in Japan, she is easily overshadowed by Slippy or Leon (I didn't say Panther, I said I prefer him).

Also she never actually used the staff. It was mostly Fox doing it.

And yeah, Assault is pretty decent. At least it's not Command or Adventures, I give you that.

And people can't see Slippy (fumbling character who probably attacks by being a klutz with his tools) or Leon (generic assassin character type who is pretty much a chameleon)? Mind you that Fox, Falco and Wolf never had ANY physical fighting stuff shown in their games - if anything Sakurai created new stuff out of the blue. If anything - Krystal "knowing how to use the staff like in the game" is an anomaly.

 

[Nocturnowl]

Leon's the shittiest assasin i've ever seen, I don't think he's killed me once, but he is a chameleon thus making him the best member of the Star Wolf Team.
Just so we're all clear the best new Starfox rep is either the act of brushing up Falco's moveset or no rep.
Unless a really awesome SF game flies out in like the next two years that revives the franchise.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Leon's the shittiest assasin i've ever seen, I don't think he's killed me once, but he is a chameleon thus making him the best member of the Star Wolf Team.
Just so we're all clear the best new Starfox rep is either the act of brushing up Falco's moveset or no rep.
Unless a really awesome SF game flies out in like the next two years that revives the franchise.

Like I said, people keep saying "franchise deserve/doesn't deserve a rep" but in reality it really seems more like Sakurai being Sakurai

And well, he's assassin in a sense that his story is all about him being an efficient killer who shows no remorse.

Also best Star Wolf is Texan Wolf.

 

[DangerJuice]

I know he has been mentioned before in this thread, but I am wanting a pulse on how everyone feels about him.

Dillon from Dillon's Rolling Western.

I think he is well designed and his move pool speaks for itself if you have played his game. I was not very interested in including him until his design won me over. He has only been in one game and it is hit or miss for most people, I enjoyed it. What does everyone else think about Dillon's inclusion? Would you like him in or out, and what is the likelihood of his inclusion?

While on this subject of new IP from Nintendo on the eShop...what about Mallo for Pushmo and the upcoming Crashmo?

I really fell in love with this game in its entirety. His move set would be something Sakurai would have to take a lot of liberties on but I think with the upcoming game it would not be hard. How do you people feel about Mallo? Does Crashmo increase his chances?

Of course we cannot mention the 3DS eShop and Nintendo IP's without mentioning my favorite output on the service thus far...Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword. Now, the art style of this game is not the most flattering, nor is the main character very original in design. All I know is I greatly enjoyed this new IP from Nintendo more than I can express. (For those who haven't tried it out, it's like a Punch-Out!! adventure game.)

I don't see his chances being very great, but I enjoyed this game and if nothing else I can use this post to spread awareness of this great new IP from Nintendo. For a more interesting designed character from the game there is always Master Melonbowl.

Weigh in people!

 

[Boss Doggie]

Oh yeah, I agree with Dillon. Needs more love.

Also why is that kappa naked?

 

[DangerJuice]

Oh yeah, I agree with Dillon. Needs more love.

Also why is that kappa naked?

He's covered up man! I can imagine the saved pictures that would come into existence if he was included...just look at how Peach and Zelda get abused in the pause screen.

 

[BGBW]

I think it's safe to say that Takamaru is the most likely samurai candidate. But at least there's plenty of choice for costume colours from all the other Nintendo samurais.

 

[DangerJuice]

That is exactly what I was thinking when posting about Sakura Samurai. Takamaru deserves the spot well before the Sakura Samurai...I'm not bothered by that, I just want some more games like Sakura Samurai: Art of the Sword. I don't know if we'll ever see a sequel but I quite enjoyed it. I think Mallo and Dillon have a way higher chance of getting into Smash Universe.

 

[BGBW]

I see Mallo as an AT at best. Pulling platforms out from the background and/or pushing the ones that are there back in.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Mallow with his stretchy arms gets a slot, Mallo with his block pushing gets an alt costume for Mallow

 

[fisheyes]

If Nintendo was smart, they would put in at least one character from a downloadable title to get people to check out the eShop - maybe even a different one in each of the 3DS and WiiU versions, if they want to go that way. Any of those guys could work (Dillon seems like he would be a cool choice), or they could go with something kind of out there to demonstrate how the eShop games are different from 'traditional' games (something like the Denpa Men, or whatever).

 

[Black-Wind]

I don't honestly care.

Great, then let's not try to rationalize your personal feelings in convos ...k?

I have been playing FE SS and I hate the thought that Krom will likely be in over some other awesome characters from the series. This blue haired sword using lord thing is annoying, it's like making every Pokemon character a different gen version of Pikachu ...

But I'm willing to look at things objectively and not rant about how he's "not gonna get in because I don't like him" when he's the most logical FE new comer/ Ike replacement and I fully expect to see him in Smash 4 and accept that it's the most likely outcome.

Wolf isn't the antagonist of the series (it's Andross), he's more of a rival. Falco's just the second in command dude.

I never said he was the big bad, just that he's in some way antagonistic to Fox.

Remember guys, Palutena and/or Medusa could easily fill in that role as a staff user.

Those are Mage goddesses with Mage Staffs. Completely different to combat staff users.

Just look at KI and you will see how they use their staff wielding.

But that's moot to me seeing as I'm sure she would be their Sakura in that she's yet another take on the Star Fox fighting style.

I'll just say this since most of the previous points seem to have been ignored.

Why Pacman could be in Smash Bros NEVER said he couldn't be in Smash, just that I don't think he will be for a few simple reasons you're not grasping

• One of the biggest icons in game. I have no idea why you don't accept this as a valid reason. And this matters why? Yes, that means he should be in Smash in some way ... but that doesn't mean Namco/ Sakurai would want it to be the character that reps Namco in this game when that opportunity could be put to far better use.
• He has a show coming out. Perfect opportunity for some exposure. Pac-Man stuff is in the New Disney movie that's pretty much MADE around the concept of "gaming icons", I'm sure that's more than enough exposure for a cartoon that's likely not gonna get more than a season or 2 at best seeing as Namco has no idle what they want to do with him. I'm sure Namco wont want to waste a chance promoting IPs that they actually bank on to make money.
• He has a decent presence on Nintendo systems and collaborations like PacMan Vs and Mario Kart GP. When has this ever shown to effect a 3rd party pick? It's like saying Bomberman should have been in over Snake. "He's ICONIC and has been on a ton of Nintendo stuff and so on and so on!" Oh well ... that clearly didn't matter to Konami /Sakurai/ Nintendo. Plus, PM is better suited for MK anyway. It's a nice lil cameo that amounted to nothing because it's a racing game
• He is the face of Namco. Sure ... if this was the 1980s or something. Right now the company has a LOT of IPs that it puts far more time and resources into than Pac Man. If you were to ask a Namco fan their favor series from them I'm sure Tekken/ Gundam/ Tales/ SC/ the anime IPs/ Digimon would be ahead of Pac Man given the games they make for him these days. If I had to guess I would say Tekken is the current face for the company ... which is likely why Namco's hearing "Tekken" from their fans over anything else for Smash. I mean, at the end of the day, how do you explain why Namco never brings him up when talking about characters that could be in Smash? They have spoken about that at least 3 times now and all we hear is a list of non-PM Ips + "Ohhh, everyone is asking for Tekken or SC characters. Maybe if it's not the best idle but maybe if enough fans ask for it Sakurai will do it? IDK " + Tales guy saying how Sakurai is an "acquaintance" asked them to lend him Higuchi ... and how Higuchi would LOVE for a Tales character to get in there and maybe if they beg Sakurai it will happen. None of this makes me think anyone from Namco sees Pac-Man as the goto pick.

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Great, then let's not try to rationalize your personal feelings in convos ...k?

Wow. Great response. I'm just saying I don't give a crap as in I don't give a shit if it was personal or not.

You also seem to ignore what I've said that Krystal isn't well liked and is often associated with the downfall of the franchise (in other words, she isn't as popular as you think. She's just not very likeable to many people). But hey, I shouldn't be surprised you actually ignored that point since you went as far as only reading ONE SENTENCE and erase the rest of the message in the quote. Good job.

But I'm willing to look at things objectively and not rant about how he's "not gonna get in because I don't like him" when he's the most logical FE new comer/ Ike replacement and I fully expect to see him in Smash 4 and accept that it's the most likely outcome.

Awesome. I take it that you mistaken me for saying Krystal has no chance in Smash Bros. Great, another point you've ignored. Where did I even say Krystal has no chance of getting in?

I won't say that I can't see Nintendo putting her in the roster though

Oh wait

I didn't.

 

[fisheyes]

My favourite part of Smash discussion is when people try and rationalise what will happen based on patterns that aren't actually there (often they only occur in one game). Go back to before the reveal of Brawl and try and rationalise Snake as a playable character. Pokemon Trainer. Wolf. Before Melee, try Mr Game & Watch. Sheik. Ice Climbers. Hell, go back to before the first, if I told you they were making a game with Nintendo's 12 biggest characters, would you pick Captain Falcon? Ness? Jigglypuff? Yet every time, no no no, you're wrong, this character will/won't be in because of reasons.


What about Bubbles from Clu Clu Land for SSB4? Retro character, female (since people seem to think this is important for some reason). Could use water based moves or something.

 

[Afro Gunsou]

Black-Wind seriously needs to take a chill pill. Love ya man but seriously, cool your jets.

I will say this though, to argue that Pac-Man is no longer the face of Namco and has been replaced by Tales characters is to argue that Mario is no longer the face of Nintendo because Kid Icarus was reborn to great success and Palutena, Viridi and the other gods have become the new face of Nintendo in his place. That's ludicrous.

 

[Diddy Kong]

What about Bubbles from Clu Clu Land for SSB4? Retro character, female (since people seem to think this is important for some reason). Could use water based moves or something.

I believe Sakurai ruled her out pre-Melee, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I just want some damn Xenoblade representation

 

[ScraftyDevil]

You know who needs to be in the next Smash game?

Dude, friggin' Poppy Bros!

Poppy Brothers Jr.

B: Create bomb

Side B: Throw bomb

Down B: Drop bomb

Up B: Throw bomb upwards

Final Smash: Teams up with Poppy Brothers Sr. to make bombs rain from the sky

All smash, air and grab attacks are exploding bombs in different directions.

 

[Kokonoe]

Incoming Bomberman defense force.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

My favourite part of Smash discussion is when people try and rationalise what will happen based on patterns that aren't actually there (often they only occur in one game). Go back to before the reveal of Brawl and try and rationalise Snake as a playable character. Pokemon Trainer. Wolf. Before Melee, try Mr Game & Watch. Sheik. Ice Climbers. Hell, go back to before the first, if I told you they were making a game with Nintendo's 12 biggest characters, would you pick Captain Falcon? Ness? Jigglypuff? Yet every time, no no no, you're wrong, this character will/won't be in because of reasons.

Everything character-speculation wise is going to be thrown off whack again when SSB4 is announced and has Miyamoto, Iwata and Gunpei Yokoi's ghost as fully-fledged characters.

 

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what's a bomberman?

Everything character-speculation wise is going to be thrown off whack again when SSB4 is announced and has Miyamoto, Iwata and Gunpei Yokoi's ghost as fully-fledged characters.

DAY FUCKING ONE

 

[DICKS AHOY]

Honestly after all this Pac-Man and Mega Man talk I'd find it funny if instead we got Rayman.

He's awesome and I'm glad his series is (somewhat) relevant again nowadays. Plus honestly the way moves and attacks work in Origins and Legends eerily cover every single regular A move he'd need if he made it into Smash. Just give him a similar flight-ability like Pit/Meta Knight but with his helicopter hair, some of the Rayman 3 powerups for his specials and make his FS either riding around the rocket from R2 or summoning a heard of rabbids who promptly take over Smash and turn it into a mediocre minigame series for the next console generation.

 

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Rayman would be a cool choice.

 

[Murrah]

I'd be fine with Rayman even if I don't like his design much (which is weird since I usually like french animation style), so Globox would be way cooler

Sorta off topic but the Ubisoft talk got me thinking of it - did anyone in here ever play that Ninja Turtles Smash game? I was wicked hyped for it back in the day but avoided it like he plague once the roster/rabbids debacle happened. I've been in the mood for Smash lately and I'd like to finally play it if it was decent and I could find it cheap

 

[Boss Doggie]

I want Demitri Maximov from Darkstalkers so he can inflict Midnight Bliss to everyone.

 

[FUNKNOWN iXi]

Rayman would be a cool choice.

Hell yes he would!

Spoiler

Bomberman too, shh.

I want Demitri Maximov from Darkstalkers so he can inflict Midnight Bliss to everyone.

HA! And I used to want telekinetic powers..

 

[Red Arremer]

I want Demitri Maximov from Darkstalkers so he can inflict Midnight Bliss to everyone.

Capcom already wasn't able to get him into Marvel vs Capcom because of exactly that move - I doubt Nintendo will ask them for that character. Not to mention that Demitri never had an appearance on any Nintendo console.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

I agree with Dillon, I love Pushmo too but I think Mallo would work far better as an assist. He jumps out, hops on a reset button and blocks fly out of the back of the stage you're on, pushing people off.

 

[Brainiac 8]

KI: Uprising introduced some fantastic female characters that could balance out the next Smash Bros.

Plus Hades would make a fun villain to use in the game.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Capcom already wasn't able to get him into Marvel vs Capcom because of exactly that move - I doubt Nintendo will ask them for that character. Not to mention that Demitri never had an appearance on any Nintendo console.

I was just kidding, imagine the reverse-gendered males!

 

[Shadow Hog]

Female Mario
Female Link
Male Samus
Female Donkey Kong
Female Snake
Female Sonic
Female Fox
Female Falco
Female Wolf
Female Master Hand
(Fe?)male Jigglypuff

Yeah, not sure if want.

 

[JazzmanZ]

Evil Mario for SSB4

 

[Murrah]

Female master hand could be a dainty, frilly southern belle glove and attacks with a parasol. I can dig it

 

[Shadow Hog]

Come to think of it, wouldn't that be Mistress Hand?