No there won't. Most people won't care. Chrom is probably going to fall down the memory hole once FE14 hits.
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No there won't. Most people won't care. Chrom is probably going to fall down the memory hole once FE14 hits.
That's pretty much expected of any extra reps other than Marth. Ike himself has brought more than Roy did, and they managed to create a separate identity for him within Smash. Between the two though, Ike would do more as a returning veteran. It really shouldn't come as a surprise if Roy doesn't make it.
I was talking about Chrom. There have been loads of complaints that Chrom is too similar to Ike.
What about Roy though? Chrom could easily replace Ike, and I'm up for either one, but Roy wouldn't have much going for him with Marth in the game. If anything, the demand for Roy seems to be based on aesthetics and nostalgia goggles, and not as a a notable series within Nintendo, but just Melee solely.
Roy could easily be made unique. Roy could take Eruption from Ike (while Ike gets a special referencing his ability to use axes), have a special based off of the Sword of Seals having a ranged attack, a special based off of the Sword of Seal's ability to heal, and an unique recovery move could be easy to come up with (either a "Wheel of Fire" one where Roy spins like a wheel with the Sword of Seal's blade aflame, or a special where Roy rise's like Blazer but comes down like Aether). An unique Final Smash would take little effort as well, just imagine something with a lot of fire (just look at the Brawl hacks for Roy), or if you want something more canon, base it off of the Sword of Seal's critical animation (I have seen one Brawl Roy hack do this).
This was just off the top of my head.
You're assuming that Sakurai wouldn't make Chrom different, but be willing to do so for Roy? I know how much you want him in, but c'mon. It's hard to picture Sakurai making both different from Marth/Ike. That's straight up bias.
We should probably end this here, as it's impossible to figure out who'll make it in. I'll keep my expectations in check.
We should probably end this here, as it's impossible to figure out who'll make it in. I'll keep my expectations in check.
I think Sakurai could make Chrom different if he tried (though the same could be said for any character).
I still think that four FE characters is not out of the question.
Shadow Hog
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Sorry, they're more interested in Fire Emblem back-and-forth than anything else.
Haven't tried any Brawl mods, Project M included, sorry.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
If I get Genesect and Takamaru, I'll be satisfied.
Takamaru is among the most likely characters to show up in Smash 4. There is a very good chance he will be confirmed for Smash 4 in just 2.5 months time.
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lol I understand
Team Chrom
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I would be pleased if I get my Roy.
Yes, please! I would love that.
Here is my shameless plug for Duck Hunt Dog / Laughing Dog.
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Huh? Really? Are you basing thison the Takamaru mini-game in Nintendo Land?
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Balanced Brawl and Brawl Minus was fun.
I love one version where Link had element arrows and Samus had ice beams. It was fun to spammed those moves against friends who don't know how to counter those attacks.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Yeah, I figure him and Little Mac might be the first two that pop up.
Genesect probably will end up like Lucario if he gets in and won't be revealed till near release.
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Ironically the two you listed are my least favorite changes (Pit's changed moveset is way too weird for me to get used to and I really want to see somebody put some time and effort into giving Ganondorf his own moveset), but overall I really dig it. Wario's probably my favorite in the mod, which is saying something since he was still one of my mains in regular Brawl.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Same here. I don't really like Pit's changes, but I love Wario's changes. I have to get used to other characters as well.
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One thing that's really cool or really bad is Lucario's new Playstyle which let's you combo shit together. I was impressed.
I never said remove her entirely from the game. Just demote her to DLC.
But when it comes to overall importance to the Pokémon franchise, Jigglypuff just really isn't up there like Pikachu, Pokémon Trainer, Mewtwo, and Lucario are. I love that her character is unique and she's fun to play as so I wouldn't want to see her go away completely, but I think she should be shoved off the main roster, that's all.
And remember, Roy was pretty much just included in Melee as a shameless promotion for his game. Yes, he became popular because of it, but just because a character is popular doesn't mean they necessarily deserve the spot in the roster, and it doesn't keep them safe from being cut, either. With Chrom not only being the most recent Lord, but also the one from the highest rated and what will likely become best selling Fire Emblem game, I think it's obvious that Roy is overshadowed by him at this point. Roy was already cut once, after all.
Project M is pretty neat so far (but there's some oddities here and there)... but I don't get why they changed Green Hill Zone into something so awful. And I don't get the point of the Castlevania stage... it's not like Simon or anyone is in this, although it looks cool.
Boss Doggie
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I hate Project M for "let's turn it into Melee" crap rather than "let's fix Brawl".
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It works really great in the end, but yeah I felt they were all smug and shit about it.
RawkHawk2010
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Maybe before Awakening was released in America, yeah.
Here is my shameless plug for Duck Hunt Dog / Laughing Dog.
Also, I love this. (Bravo lad!)
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Stop using "highly requested". Like I told you, his "highly requested" is coming more from "being cut".
Eh, it's what happens when fans get more than they can handle. It's just a huge finger.
Eh, it's what happens when fans get more than they can handle. It's just a huge finger.
Sir Ilpalazzo
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I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Brawl+ was pretty good about fixing brawl early on... it ended up dying though
I really hope that the next smash game isn't as broken as brawl. I know Sakurai isn't concerned with making it competitive, but he should at least adhere to the very basic fighting principles, and not make 75% of competitively irrelevant. If he's going to make broken characters, he should share it!
For those who played Kid Icarus: Uprising, I think he did a bang up job balancing that game (there honestly only a couple of "cheap" powers, and you really have to go out of your way to make a "cheap" weapon). I hope he takes the Kid Icarus: Uprising approach (everyone has the same opportunities) for the next smash game.
but the two are synonymous
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If there's one thing that saddens me is that Brawl completely destroyed Ganondorf :C
He was and still is my main.
He was and still is my main.
I'm more than aware of the cut characters from Brawl, and I was neither insinuating nor believed that Lyn was next in line for PC in Brawl. I wasn't even talking about things IN Brawl. I was talking about now, moving forward, and in the tense of obvious wishful thinking.
But Melee is no fun anymore. I know it's not a hip opinion, but there it is.
SenorArdilla
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But it gave him his own tier along with his friends: Link, Zelda, and Jigglypuff. The G Tier.
i thought ganondorf being puerile trash was a fluke
then i looked at his grab range hitbox
I've never actually played Smash 64. Crazy, I know.
You do know that Roy being in Melee was Sakurai's idea, not Intelligent System's, right? And you also know that Sakurai also included Roy because he felt he could help promote the series as a whole right?
No, Roy is still more wanted now. Both in Japan and the West. Like I said, a handicap for Chrom (in terms of requests for Smash) is his similarities to Ike. Its the big reason why Lucina is not even a popular choice for Smash 4.
Its from being a popular character in Melee that happened to be cut. You don't see a lot of requests for Dr. Mario and Pichu to come back do you.
SenorArdilla
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Here is my shameless plug for Duck Hunt Dog / Laughing Dog.
Every time I see this, all I can think is that is the perfect moveset for that character. I can't disagree with anything there.
I had a lot of great times with 64 with my cousin growing up. I still prefer Melee but those hit sound FX are timeless. lol I love'em
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RawkHawk2010
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What data are you going off of for this?
I don't view his similarities to Ike as a handicap because no one actually wants Ike and Chrom in the same game. Everyone knows Chrom will replace Ike and they're okay with that.
If it comes down to Ike or Chrom, I think it's clear Chrom will take precedence. He's the current "modern" character and is from the first Fire Emblem to be successful (or at least, not be unsuccessful) in pretty much every region. And his stint is even continuing on in the form of FE X SMT. (And yeah, I know it's representing pretty much every popular FE character including Roy or Ike, but the point is that Chrom will still be relevant throughout the entire generation.)
The Tellius Saga is my favorite of the FE games, but at this point Ike is just sort of moldy. Giving his resources to the new FE dude just makes sense.
They are, Ness's bat sounds so satisfying in that game! I never had a GC so Melee didn't really resonate as much for me unfortunately, a shame considering now I'm aware how hype it is, particularly compared to Brawl.
Various polls and observations.
Ike is much more popular than Chrom. Also, there are plenty of people who want Ike and Chrom in the same game as well. Lastly, most of Ike's fans would not be okay with Chrom replacing him.
While Chrom stands a good chance of getting in, he is not "guaranteed" like many people here seem to believe he is. There are far more parameters to inclusion than just "recentness".
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The second part of my Childhood was pretty much Melee. Burned out 3 GameCubes but that Melee disc still works damn fine.
Over 900 hours spent in that game, with my family and friends. I got kind of sick of it lately but it's still an amazing game.
Over 900 hours spent in that game, with my family and friends. I got kind of sick of it lately but it's still an amazing game.
I still play Melee because of the characters and stages that did not return for Brawl, as well as Melee having a much less sluggish fighting engine overall. I am not a competitive player by any stretch, however, Brawl did not make Melee obsolete to me like Melee did to Smash 64 (though I still went back Smash 64 every year or so). I enjoy Melee and Brawl equally, though in different ways.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Hell no. Melee was lazy in character creation. And hell, I'd argue some of the stages were downright terrible compared to Brawl's "single platform with cinematics".
I already gave my reasons for that - Dr. Mario and Pichu are obvious clones vs. Roy being a clone of a new-comer + the smoke and mirrors effect of his attacks.
Uncle0wnage
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Project m is awesome, can't wait till they're done with every character.
Doc Mario and Pichu are also variants of already existing characters (well kinda with Pichu, but you know what I mean) whereas Roy is a new character. I suspect that if Young Link, Falco and Ganondorf were the three removed, there would be much more support for the latter twos return as they were new characters, rather than a variant, too.
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IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Ganondorf is my main too. (Melee and Brawl)
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