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Brofist.
I really hope Sakurai decides to finally give him his moveset this time around.
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I really hope Sakurai decides to finally give him his moveset this time around.
Ganondorf is probably going to get replaced by the final boss of Skyward Sword.
Said character will still have Ganondorf's moveset
It's a curse I tell ya ;_;
Green Mamba
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Ganondorf isn't going anywhere, what is this nonsense.
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That's like saying Samus will get replaced by Dark Samus or something.
SenorArdilla
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That's like asking for Midna or Wolf Link to get in. It's the same reason I don't think Ghirahim's very likely to show up as a playable character.
Others have pointed it out, but its because Dr. Mario and Pichu were variants of different people. Dr. Mario particularly was disliked due to being judged by casuals to be exactly the same as regular Mario except being able to throw pills, and Pichu was disliked due to being a joke character.
If Falco was removed (another unique person clone), he would have been among the most wanted characters for Smash 4 as well (Ganondorf is not going anywhere).
If Ganon comes back, I hope it's Wind Waker Ganon to tie in with Wind Waker HD.
Having Demise would be really weird if you ask me...
DICKS AHOY
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Just have costumes (with different voice packs and slightly different animations/taunts) to differentiate every different version of Ganondorf. Demise is basically just his ancestor, so you could have him be the default option while a costume system lets you play as OoT, WW and TP Ganondorf. Similarly I want a choice between OoT, TP and SS Link and Zelda, with Toon Link having an OoT/MM Young Link variant and maybe even the original Link from the NES games.
Also having Demise in first could possibly force Sakurai to finally give Ganondorf his own moveset.
Green Mamba
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I don't think having OOT, TP, and SS Link would be feasible--different costumes and such have to be readable and easy to tell apart under all circumstances, and I don't think such similar looks would hold up on like a four player match on Temple. They'd be easy to get momentarily mixed up in a close up free for all as well.
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Has he ever explained why he made one of the most popular characters in Zelda a clone?
In the days of Melee, he only had one game appearance under his belt (in his humanoid "-dorf" form), so it wasn't like he was super iconic or anything at that point. He felt Zelda/Sheik made for a more interesting newcomer. Ganondorf was thrown in at the last minute, which is why he was a clone.
Why Sakurai didn't flesh him out more in Brawl is anyone's guess. Maybe he didn't want to make the jump for Melee Ganondorf fans too jarring? I don't know, but "lazy" isn't a word I'd typically associate with Sakurai.
SenorArdilla
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Thankfully, Ganondorf was similar enough to Captain Falcon that he could use a clone moveset. The only thing holding him back now are the fans who want him to keep his old moves over him getting an entirely new set.
That's what Sakurai told us, at least.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm not sure if it's reliable but that's what I heard.
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*Sigh* So are we stuck with C.Falcon Clone Ganondorf?
What a shame, why would people want Sakurai to keep him a clone?! Some fans are crazy.
What a shame, why would people want Sakurai to keep him a clone?! Some fans are crazy.
ScraftyDevil
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Almost as crazy as those who want Roy and Mewtwo to return over Chrom or a new Pokémon :X
I'm not bitter, what are you talking about?
Green Mamba
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I've always subscribed to the belief that Sakurai kept Ganondorf a clone because he likes how he plays. Maybe. Or he's just a troll.
As it stands I'd prefer him to remain as he is just because I don't like the removal of movesets and I've always been against Black Shadow getting his moveset pawned off onto him.
Or entertainer.
As it stands I'd prefer him to remain as he is just because I don't like the removal of movesets and I've always been against Black Shadow getting his moveset pawned off onto him.
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I don't know who Chrome is, so I don't give two fucks.
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OH MY GOD SAKURAI PLAYS GANONDORF?
My life is complete. They should just make some unknown character get Ganondorf's clone moveset.
Mach Rider
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
He's Google's representative for Smash.
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Already looks better than Roy ever will.
Also imagine if Sakurai pulled a dick move and removed Ike, added the "Female Marth" from FE: Awakening and made her a clone of Marth just for the lulz
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah, honestly Roy reminds me of the generic early 2000's animu.
Chrom looks pretty sloppy for a lord. In general, FE13 probably had among the weakest character designs in the series (why are half of the women in the official artwork suggestively bending over?).
Roy being among the Top 10 most wanted characters for Smash 4 is a testament to his long-lasting appeal.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Keep pushing that. I've already said my reasons and refuted yours. You imply older FEs aren't designed for waifu material.
Also Falco doesn't work as a related example because unlike Roy Falco has a game before Melee to build his fanbase therefore his popularity has factual basis. And even then regardless of fanbase from their games, a BULK of their want to return is more to do with them being cut from the original game, and they more have a unique "look" vs. Dr. Mario or Pichu.
And Chrom actually managed to look non-bishounen in a sea of bishies.
You keep saying Roy does not have a legitimate fanbase (you keep saying they only want him because he was cut). Yet, I keep saying Roy was among the most popular characters in Melee, and if he was in Brawl, he probably would have been among the most used characters in the game too.
How is it so hard to believe that Roy is among the most wanted characters for Smash 4 when he was among the most popular characters in Melee?
You are basically the only one who believes otherwise on this. However, its typical that those who possess the contrarian opinion are those who scream loudest (so as to give the wider audience the illusion that their opinion is more prominent than it actually is).
As to the older FE's, yes, they certainly had FAR less fanservice than FE13 has. There is basically no one that would disagree with me on this.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That's what I'm getting at - he was most wanted because he was cut, and there's that "he was among the missing data" so it adds more fuel. Yes he has some fans, but generally it's more to do with keeping the roster from the previous game "complete".
wut? Going on that angle again? Or are you using that to justify that IGN poll again or fan polls you keep using as reference? Somehow magically forgetting that fan polls tend to, you know, propagate a similar mindset?
And no - last I checked there was this crossdresser, nuns, incest, and all that.
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Come on guys don't fight over something like Roy fight over something like another Metroid rep or whatever
You keep forgetting that he was among the most popular characters in Melee. It makes SENSE that he would be among the most popular characters for Smash 4.
He is not wanted because he was cut, he is wanted because lots of people loved using him in Melee.
Seriously, does anyone in this thread believe my theory or Doggies?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
That's because he was "exotic" much like Marth. Weren't you saying that "loudest fanbases tend to be small" after all? And I'm pretty sure people want him much like Mewtwo because of the "lost data". I imagine there wouldn't be so much noise about him or Mewtwo if the "lost data" didn't come into existence.
People want Mewtwo back because he is among the most popular and iconic Pokemon. If you are even going to argue that Mewtwo's fanbase is not "legitimate" you are truly lost.
(brofists with legs)
Roy and Mewtwo shouldn't be in smash 4 at the expense of potential new characters
And it should not come as a surprise if he returns either. The only problem in this thread is that Doggie thinks the only reason people want Mewtwo and Roy to return is solely because they were characters that were cut from Melee.
I still think that if we get character DLC, even Dr. Mario and Pichu will come back.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You're going for that again are you, even after being refuted before?
And I'd argue about a bunch "only 150 Pokemon are true!" being not legitimate since "they're more fans of childhood than fans of the series" but that's not what this thread is for.
And that is a bad proposition how? It's very logical.
Precisely. Their fans are nearing Geno levels.
I think lords like him are great. Imo, it's what made Ike and even Lyn so interesting, imo. Throw Hector in there too. They're not the typical lords and there's that visible distinction in the character art. Although, I'm not saying regular lords are not great in their own right.
And the art is definitely a big change, I thought it was so bland at first , but after awhile and looking at most of the characters I've grown to like it...even with the "nice" poses and what not. I mean have you seen Tharja? lol
I suppose that's true. But no one should see it as any kind of significant loss if he doesn't make it back. We have Marth.
I'd rather he not waste his time with those two as DLC to be honest. Even Waluigi's potential sound far more interesting than their existing movesets already.
Also this. Still no reason to believe that Sakurai would be willing to give an old character a completely new moveset over a newcomer that he might possibly be able to enjoy making a new moveset for.
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Pichu was the worst character ever.
Who the fuck would want to use someone that hurts themselves with every attack?
Who the fuck would want to use someone that hurts themselves with every attack?
Translation: I don't like Mewtwo and Roy, anyone who likes them should feel bad.
I wonder if Lucas, ROB, Lucario, Wolf, or Ike were cut you would be parroting the same things for them.
Only you and you alone believe it to be logical. Must be a lonely world to live in.
Sakurai: (laughs)
I guess the concept of a joke character is lost on most people.
Personally, it felt satisfying beating friends with a character that is not only adorable but specifically made to be terrible.
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You can technically have three identical colors of the same character in team matches though. Additionally Brawl introduced those color-coded player markers, so I don't think it'd be that big of an issue.
We'll get to other topics eventually, but the Metroid one is not as polarizing. Iirc, Most of us see Ridley as the best choise for Metroid no matter how you look at it.
I think both sides make a good argument for why Roy could or could not become a character once again but it's really up to what Sakurai plans to do with the roster. If he wants them in they will be in and no one should be surprised since Roy and the others were planned for Brawl.
Personally, I can see Roy and Mewtwo getting back in because there was some noise made against characters being cut. Will I be surprised if they aren't in? It would depend on what new characters I see from their respected series.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
For clarification - I'm not saying I do not want the two to return. I'm simply saying that the "want" for the two is more based on them being cut + having data, nothing more and nothing less.
It'd be terrible yes, but I wouldn't make bogus hypotheses and such. I mean, this board still believes Zoroark has Lucario's fame after all. It's not a personal attack but rather looking at things through the most possible aspects. And again, I love how you're now turning this into some sort of personal attack even though I was simply stating the precedence of them returning.
Are you implying the "fan numbers" are more factual? Are you disagreeing that people want the two more because they were cut and had data but didn't make it the least logical, least objective form of thinking.
Joke characters are seen as waste of slots.
...then you have joke characters that are actually capable of standing on their own, like Dan, Roll (TvC), and such. Pichu is not that.
It'd be terrible yes, but I wouldn't make bogus hypotheses and such. I mean, this board still believes Zoroark has Lucario's fame after all. It's not a personal attack but rather looking at things through the most possible aspects. And again, I love how you're now turning this into some sort of personal attack even though I was simply stating the precedence of them returning.
Are you implying the "fan numbers" are more factual? Are you disagreeing that people want the two more because they were cut and had data but didn't make it the least logical, least objective form of thinking.
Joke characters are seen as waste of slots.
...then you have joke characters that are actually capable of standing on their own, like Dan, Roll (TvC), and such. Pichu is not that.
Thank you for bringing this up.
I want to drop the subject. Obviously, there is nothing more to be said.
I personally think its going to be Sakurai's goal to bring back everyone from Brawl (with time constraints being the only thing keeping characters out, but even then with DLC, Sakurai would be able to add them back in eventually). The only iffy ones are Sonic and Snake (only because they are guests). I think Mewtwo is very likely to return due to his return to promience with the upcoming movie, while Roy stands a good chance (though could be kept out again due to time constraints, though with DLC being an option, he would eventually get in).
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Scrubbing crotches since 2008!
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
The "older Fire Emblem characters weren't as animu!" doesn't matter because, if Roy gets in, you can bet your buttons it's going to be his latest appearance...this:
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
The "older Fire Emblem characters weren't as animu!" doesn't matter because, if Roy gets in, you can bet your buttons it's going to be his latest appearance...this:
yeah I'd rather have that Roy. Old Roy smells of generic RPG design.
The "older Fire Emblem characters weren't as animu!" doesn't matter because, if Roy gets in, you can bet your buttons it's going to be his latest appearance...this:
I worry about them using the Awakening designs if for only else we would get the horrid Awakening re-design for Ike as well:
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