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NFL 2011 Week 8 |OT| Tim Tebow

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effzee

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Bowser said:
This was mentioned in an ESPN article (I think the LuckWatch article) posted today, but the Browns could be an interesting possibility. McCoy looks like he's better suited to being a career backup and Bradford's old O-coordinator is their head coach, not to mention they've got extra picks from the Julio Jones heist.
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McCoy still has 0 WRs and Hillis has been either hurt or not the same.

Why in the world would they give up on McCoy so early? QBs take time to develop.
 
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effzee

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Eric Walton said:
When I consider the sheer amount of information I have to catch up on (basically Week 1 until now), I feel more and more like this is a lost season.

I haven't seen Donovan play this year. Can someone explain to me what's going on? Obviously he's performed terribly, but is he actually the problem? I've heard our line/play-calling has been horrid, and I knew coming into the season that the Vikings' receiving corps was incredibly weak. Who is the real culprit here?

Also, while I was in rehab some idiot heroin addict tried insisting to me that his buddy on the outside was a huge Vikings fan and that Peterson had been benched in favor of Gerhart. This filled me was a mix of despair and hope (huge Gerhart fan), but I'm not surprised to see that Gerhart averages something like 2 carries for 5 yards per game.
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Donovan played well in some games where the Vikings built up good leads by halftime but then he and the team just shit the bed in the 2nd half.

I loves you Donny but as long as you refuse to run now and then you are going to be ineffective!
 
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The Frankman

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effzee said:
Pushed to the stars? Really? Half the analysts crucify him openly on tv more than any other player I have seen analysts do.

Denver got themselves in this mess but considering that they are not and should not build around Orton, they have to see what they have in Tebow before drafting/signing another QB. Of course the religion part attracts some non football fans and extra hype but that is not Tebow's fault and nor is it Denvers.
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The people who love Tebow as a QB aren't big NFL fans, so they don't see the analysts I guess. The thing is for anyone who was watching that game, it sure looked like they wanted Tebow to fail. That offensive gameplan wasn't remotely tailored to his strengths.

I think a better gameplan could've maybe lowered those 7 sacks and 2-3 near INTs.
 
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LevelNth

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The biggest part of the media machine either hyping or hesitating to hype Tebow that is irking me this week is the complete ineptitude they're displaying for properly analyzing the game. You wanna hype or hate to support the marketing machine? Fine, I'm cool with that. But piss poor analysis by guys who analyze for a living?

Why is no one talking about the poorly handled onside kick, and the inevitable resulting fumble?

Why is no one talking about Fells' incredible diving catch, of a ball that was the definition of a duck, thrown no where close to where it should have been?

Where is the discussion of the significance of the sack/strip in OT?

I stand by that the Broncos won this game, in spite of Tebow, and his poor reads and horrendous accuracy held them back from a much easier, sure win against an opponent who was consistently being outplayed all game.
 
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The Frankman

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LevelNth said:
The biggest part of the media machine either hyping or hesitating to hype Tebow that is irking me this week is the complete ineptitude they're displaying for properly analyzing the game. You wanna hype or hate to support the marketing machine? Fine, I'm cool with that. But piss poor analysis by guys who analyze for a living?

Why is no one talking about the poorly handled onside kick, and the inevitable resulting fumble?

Why is no one talking about Fells' incredible diving catch, of a ball that was the definition of a duck, thrown no where close to where it should have been?

Where is the discussion of the significance of the sack/strip in OT?

I stand by that the Broncos won this game, in spite of Tebow, and his poor reads and horrendous accuracy held them back from a much easier, sure win against an opponent who was consistently being outplayed all game.
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beast786

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LevelNth said:
The biggest part of the media machine either hyping or hesitating to hype Tebow that is irking me this week is the complete ineptitude they're displaying for properly analyzing the game. You wanna hype or hate to support the marketing machine? Fine, I'm cool with that. But piss poor analysis by guys who analyze for a living?

Why is no one talking about the poorly handled onside kick, and the inevitable resulting fumble?

Why is no one talking about Fells' incredible diving catch, of a ball that was the definition of a duck, thrown no where close to where it should have been?

Where is the discussion of the significance of the sack/strip in OT?

I stand by that the Broncos won this game, in spite of Tebow, and his poor reads and horrendous accuracy held them back from a much easier, sure win against an opponent who was consistently being outplayed all game.
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Because like the announcer said as soon as the ball past the goal post.



"TEBOW WON "
 
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Dutch Gronk

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Alligatorjandro said:
It would so funny if the Broncos keep winning and Tebow keeps playing like he does.
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He's not gonna be playing teams who desperately want to lose, unless he plays the Colts this season
 
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Milchjon

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Eric Walton said:
Also, do you know what is worse than growing up in Patriots territory? Being locked up for three weeks with obnoxious Pats fans that all were detoxing from hard drugs at the same time.

Crack addict 1 - "BRADY IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME."
Crack addict 2 - "NO, HE IS BETTER THAN THAT."

:tables fly, crack addict 2 is punched in the mouth for no discernible reason:
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Ok, that's hilarious :jnc
 
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The Frankman

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beast786 said:
Kind of like how Giants/Jets do it.
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I was waiting for you to post something dumb.

As much as the Jets win in spite of Sanchez last week was not a week to bring that argument up. Yeah, he does have alot of horrible games but in fairness, he's won more than a few games for the Jets in big spots, as opposed to Tebow.

And you're saying Giants win in spite of Eli? BWAHAHHAHAHHHA.
 
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The Frankman

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Eric Walton said:
Can someone please explain to me :jnc? I took about a season's length break from GAF back in the day, I come back a few seasons ago and everybody is doing :jnc. I know jakncoke, I just don't understand the meme.
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You remember how jakncoke seemingly always replied with the laughing emoticon? Well smileys are removed on GAF, so everybody in NFL-gaf just uses either :jakncoke or :jnc as another version of a laughing emoticon.
 
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Godslay

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The Frankman said:
The people who love Tebow as a QB aren't big NFL fans, so they don't see the analysts I guess. The thing is for anyone who was watching that game, it sure looked like they wanted Tebow to fail. That offensive gameplan wasn't remotely tailored to his strengths.

I think a better gameplan could've maybe lowered those 7 sacks and 2-3 near INTs.
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Where do you get these "facts"? It seems like you aren't a big NFL fan or you would realize that you can't change an entire offense in a week or two (bye). They did slightly adjust, and I'm sure as time goes on (if he plays well enough to remain the starter) they will adjust more to his strengths. It largely depends on McCoy, but I do believe that Fox will adjust as well.

Also I agree with LevelNth in the fact that it was a team effort to come back and win that game... but it's not uncommon for the QB to take the lion's share of either the blame or the credit for the win. It's a little unfair to Fells, Thomas, Doom, Prater, etc, but that's the way it usually works. You never hear anyone besides Elway, when you look back on Denver's comebacks in the past...
 
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beast786

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The Frankman said:
I was waiting for you to post something dumb.

As much as the Jets win in spite of Sanchez last week was not a week to bring that argument up. And you're saying Giants win in spite of Eli? BWAHAHHAHAHHHA.
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yeah because talking about Jets means only the last week, amazing.

Also, you are right about Eli, its not his fault, they were just 25 tipped passes.
 
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exarkun

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Eric Walton said:
Can someone please explain to me :jnc? I took about a season's length break from GAF back in the day, I come back a few seasons ago and everybody is doing :jnc. I know jakncoke, I just don't understand the meme.
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he died for our sins.

then he was resurrected.
 
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Bowser

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In 2006, receiver Terrell Owens created a major stir with a drug overdose that was believed to be a suicide attempt. Last month, Owens reportedly had another overdose, as reported by TMZ.

Now, TMZ has obtained the 911 call that was placed earlier this month. Asked whether the ingestion of prescription medication was a suicide attempt, a woman who was speaking to the 911 dispatcher said, “Yes. I believe so.“
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Recent 911 call: T.O. attempted suicide

Welp.
 
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The Frankman

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Godslay said:
Where do you get these "facts"? It seems like you aren't a big NFL fan or you would realize that you can't change an entire offense in a week or two (bye). They did slightly adjust, and I'm sure as time goes on (if he plays well enough to remain the starter) they will adjust more to his strengths. It largely depends on McCoy, but I do believe that Fox will adjust as well.
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Tweak, yes. They basically ran a very similar offense to the one Orton ran, and hardly even thought to throw a screen pass. Where were the rollouts at least? Something to get him out of the pocket use his athletic ability?
Also I agree with LevelNth in the fact that it was a team effort to come back and win that game... but it's not uncommon for the QB to take the lion's share of either the blame or the credit for the win. It's a little unfair to Fells, Thomas, Doom, Prater, etc, but that's the way it usually works.
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Hey, TEBOW WON THE GAME FOR THEM. All you need to know.
 
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cajunator

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Skip Bayless is such a stupid douchebag. Goddamn I hate him.
However, regarding Tebow, we have to see what he's capable of as a STARTER. If he continues to win, no matter what his stats are, then he obviously has some kind of X factor that can be valuable to the Broncos organization. If this proves to be a fluke game, well then everybody was right. but until we find out, we can only argue one way or the other with no discernible end. I say let him play out the season, THEN judge his ability.
 
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levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
I still don't get why they had no desire to gain any yards prior to that game winning FG.
 
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TheFightingFish

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LevelNth said:
The biggest part of the media machine either hyping or hesitating to hype Tebow that is irking me this week is the complete ineptitude they're displaying for properly analyzing the game. You wanna hype or hate to support the marketing machine? Fine, I'm cool with that. But piss poor analysis by guys who analyze for a living?

Why is no one talking about the poorly handled onside kick, and the inevitable resulting fumble?

Why is no one talking about Fells' incredible diving catch, of a ball that was the definition of a duck, thrown no where close to where it should have been?

Where is the discussion of the significance of the sack/strip in OT?

I stand by that the Broncos won this game, in spite of Tebow, and his poor reads and horrendous accuracy held them back from a much easier, sure win against an opponent who was consistently being outplayed all game.
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The question is, who are you reading? Plenty of good analysis out there if you just look around.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7143065/debunking-tim-tebow-myth

Tebow then proceeded to take advantage of a short field. Starting on his own 44-yard line, Tebow drove the team 56 yards in 10 plays, highlighted by a gorgeous 28-yard throw to (and equally impressive catch from) Daniel Fells.
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That, of course, led to the final dramatic swing. Broncos linebacker D.J. Williams sacked Matt Moore on the ensuing play, producing a single-play swing that was bigger than any of Tebow's drives. The Broncos went from a win expectancy of 33 percent to 78 percent by recovering the fumble, and while they proceeded to gain only two yards on the subsequent drive, they converted another short field into points to win the game.
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/audibles/2011/audibles-line-week-7

That doesn't really make sense, because why did Denver have to come back in the first place? Maybe because Tim Tebow had a total of 24 passing yards in the first three quarters of the game? He himself dug the hole that he had to climb out of. Well, he dug it with a lot of help from Franklin. Hard to overstate how bad Franklin was.
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The Frankman

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EDIT: also the fact that they finally started to try and jumpstart Tebow by putting him in a hurry up helped, TheFightingFish. Dunno what took John Fox so long, it's almost like he doesn't want Tebow to succeed...

I think that's a very fair viewpoint. He's still so raw and isn't even an QB yet, let's not crown him. Heck, if you think about it Cam Newton isn't even crowned yet.

Denver's upcoming schedule is interesting though.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/den/denver-broncos
 
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cajunator

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Eric Walton said:
I wouldn't wish depression or suicidal ideation on, but TO's past makes it really difficult for me to give the guy any sympathy. I hope after his career is completely, definitively finished that he'll get some treatment and move on to obscurity.
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T.O. is a self centered asshole, but he always left everything out on the field.
His talent and the way he plays more than offsets how much of a diva he is, but it is still detrimental to a locker room. To be fair, I do think he is HOF bound for the production he had, but his reputation may hurt his chances for first ballot. May take him a while to get in.
 
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WedgeX

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The Frankman said:
You remember how jakncoke seemingly always replied with the laughing emoticon? Well smileys are removed on GAF, so everybody in NFL-gaf just uses either :jakncoke or :jnc as another version of a laughing emoticon.
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lest we forget

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effzee

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Eric Walton said:
May take him a while to get in? Isn't everyone pretty comfortable acknowledging TO as the 2nd/3rd best receiver of all time, based on production?
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And he might have been the best ever had he kept his damn mouth shut and not threatened to hit Chilly in the face.
 
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effzee

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Eric Walton said:
I read some estimate, done by ESPN back when TO was on the Cowboys, that suggested that TO would've had to keep performing at his absolute best until he was in his 40s to catch Rice's records. Is that accurate?
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Well he lost a year in 05.
 
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msdstc

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effzee said:
And he might have been the best ever had he kept his damn mouth shut and not threatened to hit Chilly in the face.
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Yeah, but if Randy Moss never opened his mouth he would have been the best of all time.
 
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cajunator

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It does seem like a rather depressing city.
Is there anything interesting to do in minneapolis? (besides the Mall of AmericA)
 
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Milchjon

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Alligatorjandro said:
What is that?
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Beef on Weck. Roastbeef and horseradish on a caraway and salt roll. The sole reason for making Buffalo a stop on my planned "gain 30 pounds in 30 days" tour of the US.
 
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cajunator

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It probably wouldn't, because of the spices.
However, that is kind of an idiotic reason to avoid it. Give it a shot.
a po-boy (like a muffaletta) is a kind of sandwich, similar to a club sandwich. We have shrimp and sausage poboys, catfish poboys and roast beef poboys (which are probably similar to the beef on weck thing pictured there)
 
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cajunator

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If you want to gain 30 pounds, then by all means visit Louisiana. Then you can dance the weight back off again after the meals to Zydeco music.

Eric Walton said:
I have been vegetarian for about 28 days now.. It would be silly to turn back. Provided I'm ever down south where I could get a legitimate one, though, I may compromise on my ethics for a shrimp po-boy.
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Interesting. Was it for health reasons?
Also, yes you should cheat a little bit and get one of our shrimp po-boys. You can't go wrong there.
 
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Milchjon

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Eric Walton said:
I have been vegetarian for about 28 days now.. It would be silly to turn back. Provided I'm ever down south where I could get a legitimate one, though, I may compromise on my ethics for a shrimp po-boy.
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Isn't getting sober hard enough? Why torture yourself with another form of abstinence?
 
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