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NFL 2014 Wild Card |OT| The Prophet
- Thread starter Buckethead
- Start date
2010 Draft
Round 1 - JPP
Round 2 - Linval Joseph
Round 6 - Adrian Tracy (hybrid)
2011 Draft:
Round 2 - Marvin Austin
2012 None
2013
Round 2 Jonathan Hankins
Round 3 Damontre Moore
2014
Round 3 Jay Bromley
Look at how many day 1/2 picks we spend on DT/DE, It's an exorbitant amount.
I don't think Flaherty is wed to that thought at all.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I've got to be quite honest--I don't see how that was intentional. I was the guy who wanted Raiola cut after the garbage stomp he pulled in the Chicago game, by the way. THAT was intent to injure. Suh was stepping backwards and he didn't even put his entire weight down.
27-17 Cowboys. Lions are one and done with that offense.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
lol @ the Matt Ryan complaints. All those guys that were hailed as better than Eli falling one by one. I wish I had saved that Post back page declaring Mark Sanchez the best QB in NY a few years back. Josh Freeman was also placed ahead of Eli on that stupid NFLN top 100 players list.
I agree with that. Hopefully Bromley comes around next season. The only miss they had was Marvin Austin, but I LOVED the pick at the time and thought it was immense value where they got him. He was a top ten pick the year before and slid because of the injury.
I agree with that. Hopefully Bromley comes around next season. The only miss they had was Marvin Austin, but I LOVED the pick at the time and thought it was immense value where they got him. He was a top ten pick the year before and slid because of the injury.
In 2014 with what you know now, who do you take between Ben and Eli?
I am sticking with Ben.
I think Eli had a better career than Rivers but on the whole that draft was ridiculously stacked at qb.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
Yeah, and where is the production? Moore needs more playing time, Hankins has been doing well, and Linval was awesome until we didn't resign him.
BTW there is a stark difference between how well DL players developed when Strahan was here versus how they have after he left.
Did you not see the second step he took where he lifted his first leg and put all of the weight on his foot (and Rodgers) and never even bothered to look and see what he was stepping on the entire time?
Regular season game, I take Ben. Post season game, I take Eli.
If they could fuse the Manning brothers together into one player who had Peyton's regular season skill plus Eli's post-season abilities you'd have a godlike QB.
Futurevoid
Member
Added in the two offensive lineman. Obviously the thinking has changed a bit as I firmly believe we will spend another first/second day pick on an offensive lineman this upcoming draft as well.
Frankly, looking past the lines - safety is a pretty substantial need for us.
In NY? Eli.
Ben would have raped half the city by this third year.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
He is a 300+pound man moving backwards with momentum. I guess I'm not expecting him to stop on a dime. He didn't stomp, he stepped back and then moved forward. I don't think it should be a suspension.
TheLegendary
Member
Lifting one leg off the ground = putting your entire weight on your other leg, which in this case happens to be resting on some dudes ankle. Not to mention he had already backed into Aaron with his other leg so he knew he was there.
I don't think there are many obese girls in NY so I think the city would have been safe.
Then again Ben can't fucking handle the excitement in bumfuck middle america. He would surely have killed someone or committed a horrible crime if he lived in NYC year round.
but you said he didn't put all of his weight down which is just obviously untrue looking at the video
If his momentum was carrying him backwards his first step might have been on Rodgers and then he probably would have stepped backwards again, behind Rodgers. His momentum just conveniently stops on Rodger's bad leg twice. For the record I honestly think his first step was accidental but the second one was pretty blatant. Suh never checking to see who he was stepping on and his lack of urgency to get off of Rodgers leg are also pretty damning too. If it was really accidental he would have gotten off of Rodgers with more haste than that and probably checked on him quickly too (aka act like a normal human being).
Futurevoid
Member
Moore needs to add weight/strength, IMO. What's he playing at right now? 250-255?
Love his motor though. Loved it in college. Dude never stops coming.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
The o line had been pretty good this year giving up only 21 sacks compared to 40 last year.
He lifted his other foot off the ground so that all of his force was focused on the foot that was on Rodgers. How is that not the definition of putting his entire weight down?
Sweeney Tom
Banned
If it was just the first step, it wouldn't be an issue. The fact that he took that step, realizing what he was doing, and then took took another after lifting up the leg, clearly doing it again, is the issue. The first step was an accident, the second wasn't.
Wellington
BAAAALLLINNN'
I remember our battles friend.
I think it's splitting hairs at this point and I'd go with Eli but both of our choices are shaded by our team preferences. If the variables were evened out (offensive system, skill players, OL, etc) then I think you end up with the same player. Looking at Arians in Arizona right now, I'm jealous that Ben got to work with him in his formative years versus John Hufnagel for Eli. I'm jealous that right now your skill players are Brown, Bell, Bryant, Heath and Wheaton. But next year Eli will have Cruz, OBJ, and Randle in top form.
Rivers has had 3 issues holding him back from a trophy: AJ Smith, Tom Brady, and Peyton.
Safety is a gigantic need, and I'm in the belief that a change in DC will improve the production of our defensive lineman including JPP (who I also will retain).
At 9, there's a good amount of offensive tackles that we can pick, no safeties (there's no Eric Berry's this year); and there are some defensive ends, but the ones that would make us really happy would be gone by then (Gregory/Williams).
RellyRell28
Banned
Skip: Suh should be suspend but he's gonna be fined
Stephen A: I believe it was intentional but I don't know that, nobody knows that. I believe but I don't know that. The fact that he was being blocked into him, I don't know. So seeing as it's a playoff game I need to know definitively.
And here I though both of them was gonna just throw Suh under the bus. Stephen A makes a good point. Yeah we all here thinks it was intentional(myself included) but there's grey area in this unlike Raiola's stomp being the fact that Lang kinda blocked him into and the League is gonna take it into account. I'm not saying Suh's not going to be suspended(He should) but the grey area may save him. He's at least getting fined though.
Stephen A: I believe it was intentional but I don't know that, nobody knows that. I believe but I don't know that. The fact that he was being blocked into him, I don't know. So seeing as it's a playoff game I need to know definitively.
And here I though both of them was gonna just throw Suh under the bus. Stephen A makes a good point. Yeah we all here thinks it was intentional(myself included) but there's grey area in this unlike Raiola's stomp being the fact that Lang kinda blocked him into and the League is gonna take it into account. I'm not saying Suh's not going to be suspended(He should) but the grey area may save him. He's at least getting fined though.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Sorry--I worded it incorrectly. I meant that he didn't put all his weight down forcefully like a stomp. The previous Suh stomp, the Raiola stomp, this wasn't even close. Again, I guess I don't see how that warrants a suspension.
Is Suh stupid? Yes. Do I want the team to spend $30 million on this guy next year? No. I'd rather have him gone and upgrade other positions. But I don't think a suspension is necessary for this.
AngmarsKing701
Member
Great OP, Buckethead. As usual.
Just looked at the coaching article on nfl.com. Kinda funny how the Browns had to confirm Pettine is coming back. Dude did a great job in s1 even with the JFF distraction. It really is nice to see that team becoming competitive again. Steelers vs Browns used to be such a heated rivalry but it's been one sided for a while now.
Now for the current rivalry. Road Flacco needs to lay an egg and not emerge from his own flames like an DPhoenIx.
Go Steelers!
Just looked at the coaching article on nfl.com. Kinda funny how the Browns had to confirm Pettine is coming back. Dude did a great job in s1 even with the JFF distraction. It really is nice to see that team becoming competitive again. Steelers vs Browns used to be such a heated rivalry but it's been one sided for a while now.
Now for the current rivalry. Road Flacco needs to lay an egg and not emerge from his own flames like an DPhoenIx.
Go Steelers!
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Tannehill was only sacked 46 times this season, down from 58 last year!
TheDarkKnight774
Member
Like I said previously. Any other player who does this might get a pass or a fine at most.
Suh however gets a suspension because he lost the benefit of the doubt a long ass time ago. Everything he does that's gray area should be treated like it was deliberate.
Those two are terrible.
It matters how much you are pressured. Sacks are whatever. If you throw the ball and get pummeled every play it's just as bad.
ah, the irish goodbye. orton knows his shit.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Damn. I thought you guys would make some noise this year. Idk what to make of the team now.
djplaeskool
Member
Arthur Blank on the mic.
VeryGooster
Banned
Woody speaking to the press now.
I purposely didn't lump everyone.
Just said I wouldn't be able to watch him. He has his flashes, but he's often too inconsistent and that's the last thing a franchise QB should be. He'll have a clean pocket and throw off his back foot lofting it 10 yards over or into the ground.
Ben didn't have Arians for his formative years, but he was lucky to have had some good offensive coaches around him. Whiz is great on offense when he has a good qb.
I still think Ben is a better athlete than almost any qb in the game. Eli was probably always a little better at Ben at reading a defense. I think that is what it comes down to when you choose between the two. I will take the athlete because it was always more exciting (not many qb's are as exciting as Ben, talking about in the entire history of the game).
Outside of football you have to go with Eli. I would trust him with the hottest of hotties. I wouldn't trust Ben with my lunch let alone any woman.
He tried to hurt another player after a play was over. And it was clearly intentional.
You can't have that in the game.
He should be suspended with a warning that he is out of the game forever if it ever happens again.
AngmarsKing701
Member
Suh is the new Deebo. He's the face of Goodell's discipline in the league. It will be interesting to see what Goodell does here. Harrison would have been fined at a minimum. I don't think he'll suspend him but he had shown with Harrison that it didn't matter what point of the season it was.
Buckethead
Banned
After reviewing the tape, Suh is a scumbag.
I even gave him the benefit of the doubt.
I even gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Love you Wellie, but I think the argument can be made Ryan is at least as good Eli.
