Whats wrong with how it works (not defending them, really dont know)
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Whats wrong with how it works (not defending them, really dont know)
It's tied to the device (I believe with Club Nintendo you can tie it to something but it's pretty hazy) and if you have an issue with the system, there's no guarantee you'll get your games back, and even if you do, you'll have to go through customer service, etc. I'm not sure what's stopping them from doing this, they're looking at cross buy games which is a start but they really need to get on their ass.
If you don't care about arcade racers like Driveclub, there is no exclusive game that's going to do this, this year. Destiny is the game I'm most looking forward to, and even that is not blowing it away graphically, it's just really polished.
The_Darkest_Red
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I understand where you're coming from, man. In general the leap from PS3 to PS4 is the least impressive I've seen in my lifetime, and I have also been just as impressed by the art direction in a lot of Wii U games as anything I've seen on PS4. With TLoU I'm just excited to play the game with great image quality and a higher framerate because the PS3 kind of struggled with it (particularly with aliasing).
I'm not much of a PC gamer so I'm just enjoying the higher framerates and better image quality of PS4 games versus the PS3, even with stuff like FIFA and Battlefield 4 which are basically just shinier versions of the same game.
I do think Naughty Dog's PS4 stuff will be pretty incredible looking, though.
It sucks that publishers are making this issue even worse by making so many of these games cross-gen. I bet stuff like Destiny and Dragon Age: Inquisition would be significantly more impressive if they weren't worried about making them work on PS3/360.
Especially since you haven't played it.
For people to not jerk off to a ps3 game with a bit of AAAA slapped on.
Who gives a shit it's free?
I've played both games. What questions do you have?
The_Darkest_Red
Member
One of the best games ever made, my friend, now with much improved framerate and image quality! You should play it.
Nice! Any impressions on TLoU PS4 from your time with it?
You've played tLoU on PS4?
I mean obviously I do because I already posted that I do. What exactly is the disconnect here? I don't buy digital Nintendo games.
That sucks but I mean its still a free game. free is free.
No, but I've played it on the Playstation 3. Is this a sequel?
You don't have to buy it. And since there is no backwards compatibility I like the upsize PS3 games. There are still some PS3 games I wanted to play and I can't because my PS3 is dead.
Lets turn the topic back to football. Who wins the best division in football this year? Right now I see it as a two team race between Manziel (players on coke are almost unstoppable the first year) and the Steelers (we have fast players on defense now and a all star offensive line with unlimited depth at running back).
The Ravens will be distracted from all of their offseason arrests and the Bungles are due for their usual let down season.
You haven't played the actual game and write it off as a cash grab. You don't see a problem with that?
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
That's probably true. Which is also worse.
If Coldplay likes lady boys from 18-21, this is America and more power to him. (Maybe even 16 or 17 because I'm open minded like that).
If he diddles kids, that's way worse.
I think we can all agree that both of them are just weird dudes who should sit at their own end of the lunch table with Cajun, Fox, and the other weeaboos with their love pillows.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Are we arguing about the gameplay?
Why is this so hard to grasp for you guys? Why am I agreeing with Dragon? Lots of tough questions this morning.
Well you'd be wrong. It includes all DLC and new difficulty levels from the start. It also is 60 fps which has to do with gameplay responsiveness. Not just graphics.
I'd also say if it was a cash grab, it wouldn't have been done by ND, they would have contracted it out to a port house.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Nintendo just needs to hurry up and release the unified platform already. I'm hoping for a handheld that's graphically superior to the Vita that plugs into your TV and is maybe a phone too.
I'm not sure how the hell you'd combine all of that but that's not my problem.
Edit: Haven't even played the Last of Us but judging from the high praise it's getting and the setting, one of the main characters are going to die.
I'm not sure how the hell you'd combine all of that but that's not my problem.
Edit: Haven't even played the Last of Us but judging from the high praise it's getting and the setting, one of the main characters are going to die.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
How about I choke you motherfucker
The_Darkest_Red
Member
I'm really excited about the DLC. The MP was outstanding in that game plus I never bought the SP stuff so it's all new to me.
I think the hybrid approach makes sense for Nintendo, but it has to be cheap (~250) in order for it to take off in the US, and frankly I don't think we'd see that type of graphics capability with the price in mind.
Left Behind is really really well done. You're going to enjoy it. I loved playing the MP even though I'm terrible at online MP. It really is strategic and tense. Playing it with a friend of mine, we'd just give the controller back and forth each round and it was really fun.
manfestival
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boston teams = worst fanbase
cowboys = patriots
in terms of terrible fanbases
cowboys = patriots
in terms of terrible fanbases
You're giving him shit because he hasn't played the game yet, but playing it seems like a negligible action for judging it because the gameplay is the one thing that's unchanged.
All the DLC is out already, it's nothing new. If TLOU was some sort of fast action/twitch game I might agree with you about the 60 FPS being a gameplay difference, but come on, it's not like the gameplay is going to change for that game in the least from the change.
I get my new gun tomorrow
They are re-releasing a game that barely over a year old, and during the remaining "zombie" craze. Also, being called a cash grab does not signify that the game is going to be bad either.
Just don't disguise it as a brand new game.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Better bring it
The_Darkest_Red
Member
He is specifically calling the remaster a cash-grab which is what we're discussing. The PS3 game is $30 on Amazon right now ($40 digitally on the PSN store). For $20 more you can get a version that looks to be substantially improved in terms of visuals, plus DLC that as of right now would cost you $35 to buy on PSN (two map packs and the campaign add-on).
So you can buy the PS3 version and all the DLC right now for $65-$75 or you can buy the PS4 version with all of its graphical improvements for $50. What a cash-grab.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
I think it has to be a phone or a tablet...with buttons somehow. It only has to be that cheap if it isn't some amazing innovative product though.
Nintendo is in a weird spot for sure. They obviously can't or won't compete with the PS4/XB1 market. They're not impressed with any of the VR tech either.
I think it's clear that if they keep going their current route, that's going to end badly.
My personal theory on the unified system is more the silicon architecture and programming environment. That is why AMD is talking so much about Nintendo, they invested a lot of money in modular scalable chips. Plug in what modules you want to form the complete package.
So Ninty's next handheld will have like 50 shader cores and their next home console will have 200. (Numbers pulled from my ass.) But the underlying silicon will be similar.
So Ninty's next handheld will have like 50 shader cores and their next home console will have 200. (Numbers pulled from my ass.) But the underlying silicon will be similar.
I think this thread has personified why I've lost interest in console games. Up-ports, beta's, DLC, patches, etc..That kind of stuff is the reason I didn't get into PC gaming and it has taken over console gaming now. I feel like a lot of that defeats the point of is being a console game, maybe I'm just out of touch.
The_Darkest_Red
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You don't have to buy any of this stuff. I bought The Last of Us the day it released and loved every second of it. I never bought any of the DLC. I never worry about pre-order garbage and I almost never buy remasters or DLC, I'm just making an exception for this game because I really love it. It's not that big of a deal.
I agree that some of this stuff is ridiculous but it's also totally optional.
I'm going to stop, we obviously have different opinions, and I feel like yours is pretty myopic, but whatever, we've both stated it and that's kinda that.
Eh, up-ports will be gone next year, it's a console transition.
The rest, well, the money's been found, they won't give it up now.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Gym in the morning, 2,5 hours of soccer in the afternoon
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Juicy burger for lunch after soccer
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I think what Nintendo should do (or someone else) is release the unified hardware for mobile and home and make it incredibly cheap.
I really think someone is going to make a <$100 console that has good enough graphics and is relatively open that is going to destroy everything one day. When I look at how cheap the mobile chipsets are and how powerful they are getting I could see this happening in the next 2 years.
Make the home version under $100 and make the mobile ~$150 depending on the price of the screen and battery (the closer to $100 the better though). I bet it would have graphics that are close to the WiiU.
Basically an Apple TV or Roku on steroids.
I really think someone is going to make a <$100 console that has good enough graphics and is relatively open that is going to destroy everything one day. When I look at how cheap the mobile chipsets are and how powerful they are getting I could see this happening in the next 2 years.
Make the home version under $100 and make the mobile ~$150 depending on the price of the screen and battery (the closer to $100 the better though). I bet it would have graphics that are close to the WiiU.
Basically an Apple TV or Roku on steroids.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Two systems with the same programming language, games that upscale, and cross buy would be the hardcore gamer's dream. Nintendo could literally pump out games twice as fast with one architecture so that third parties wouldn't even be that necessary.
damn, I want to play
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Are as good with soccer as you are tennis and ping pong?
Ayup, pretty much Nintendo is the last bastion of Japanese gaming developers (Sony's best teams are all Western orientated). I kinda dread Nintendo going IAP route though. (5 dollah for a random shiny pokemon would make Nintendo so much money).
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I think my interest in gaming is dying a little. All I play now is FIFA.
Honestly, I think the console itself isn't the problem. A unified console can't be too tough for someone like Nintendo. It's making the game costs competitive.
In a mobile market, games are so cheap and profit margins for successful games are so insanely high. It's just a different economy.
But Nintendo would be well-suited for a unified console, as they've mastered the artstyle/gameplay over graphics method of development.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
You guys just need to get gaming PCs then pop in something like Skyrim w/mods or Civ 5 and then try and put that crack down.
the only thing I have going for me in soccer is that I can move well
can't control the ball that great, can't make accurate passes/shots at long distance
I dont think they will, well maybe the up port. But I think we'll see several remakes and graphics upgrades to past games because they are relatively cheap and I think mostly give a good return on investment, that doesnt mean we dont be getting lots of good games; just look at last gen . As for his other points, how can someone hate on getting access to a game early? I mean sure if its a preorder bonus. Legit DLC that isnt already on the disc, how can you hate on new content of whatever game you liked Konka? Patches, if something is broken or can be bettered through a patch why hate on it Konka or would you rather have the game broken forever? One thing that really has annoyed me though from the past gen is say game X: Then stores Best Buy, Target, Gamespot, Amazon, Wal Mart all has like 2-3 things exclusive to them via preorder so you cant own the full package of the game. Even though the preorder bonuses are usually little shit like gold gun or extra costume doesnt make it less annoying. I dont think i'll ever understand Konkas brain.