topsyturvy said:New Orleans at San Francisco - niners are horrible, :lol, those of you hoping that alex smith is your savior should jump on the bears wagon. They actually have one.![]()
topsyturvy said:gigglepoo, griese is in an entire different situation grossman was in. comparing grossman of last year is pointless and mute.
topsyturvy said:for the record, you have compare week 4 to week 7, because griese started late fyi. If you look at it that way anyway.
topsyturvy said:You have nothing else to fall back on but those stats
levious said:for all intensive purposes, this argument is mute!
levious said:for all intensive purposes, this argument is mute!
all. intents. and. purposes.levious said:for all intensive purposes, this argument is mute!
Gigglepoo said:It's just a matter of how well the position of QB was played in Chicago during any stretch. Grossman comes out over Griese by quite a wide margin.
Once again, MVP candidate. That's pretty lofty. Griese isn't even a Pro Bowl candidate at this point. The only category Griese actually did "better" in last year was number of attempts. Everything else went to Grossman.
yacobod said:i'd rather have griese starting for the bears than rex grossman, trent dilfer, or alex smith(had to throw in the 9ers barb)
topsyturvy said:Detroit at Chicago - lions look well on its way to go 10-6... fucking kitna fails in fantasy footbal tho.
Gigglepoo said:What were you saying last year at this time?![]()
captive said:all. intents. and. purposes.
...moot
yacobod said:at this time last year, damn right i was drinking the grossman koolaid
yacobod said:i mean what were 9ers fans saying before the season? playoffs? :lol
A lot of that comes from the fact that the Patriots MADE them the 25th, 26th, 28th, 29th, and 30ths.Andokuky said:I know someone else already posted and proved you wrong, but I'll respond anyway since you directly quoted me. Manning only threw 1 touchdown while winning in the 4th quarter that year. He threw 5 while losing and 1 while tied. Brady already has I believe 4 touchdowns in the 4th with his team already up double digits.
Also you're crazy if you believe the Colts can't blow people out. They are still as good offensively as ever. The Colts have also played 2 of the top 5 pass defenses. The Patriots are playing the 25th, 26th, 28th, 29th, 30th :lol
Miguel said:A lot of that comes from the fact that the Patriots MADE them the 25th, 26th, 28th, 29th, and 30ths.
Gigglepoo said:We're saying "playoffs" right now. If we beat New Orleans and Atlanta, we're back to .500 and right back in the NFC West hunt.
by the way, didn't you even argue that grossman was better then phillip rivers for fucks sake. which is not true. :lolGigglepoo said:So last year at this time you would have said, "I haven't seen a QB play this well in Chicago since Jim Miller in 2001!" That was basically my whole argument. Don't discount what Grossman did at the beginning of last year just because he tanked later on.
:lol what can i say, i like to be surprise on gameday sometimes, i'm guessing griese will do great justice anyhow.yacobod said:for someone driving the griese bandwagon, i dont like you picking against the bears lol
topsyturvy said:by the way, didn't you even argue that grossman was better then phillip rivers for fucks sake. which is not true. :lol
topsyturvy said:who do you think is a better qb for the bears?
griese or rex grossman?
arguing by comparing the first 4 games for each qb is stupid. You know for damn sure that griese will have a better season then grossman could ever think of....accept uf he gets hurt :/
i understand why you choose to go by the first four games. he was excellent to say the least. But the outcome is still the outcome and he is a complete bust. FACT. You can't honestly tell me that because of those good games, he should go down as the bears best qb since miller. thats just stupid. griese is on route to take it.Gigglepoo said:I don't think highly of Phillips Rivers, to say the least.
Why can't you understand why I choose the first four starts from both QBs? I have explained it over and over and over again and you just can't grasp it.
With this team, my vote is clearly Griese. But Grossman has more potential. I still think he can make something of himself on another team. The best Griese can ever achieve is a first round playoff loss.
levious said:uh. no. and. shit?
Check giggles and topsyturvy's argument.
topsyturvy said:i understand why you choose to go by the first four games. he was excellent to say the least. But the outcome is still the outcome and he is a complete bust.
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what's over my head? I was making a joke about topsyturys' use of the word "mute."
topsyturvy said:brett farve
topsyturvy said:jeff garcia before he went to the eagles from detroit
topsyturvy said:tom brady's average as hell years in college
topsyturvy said:steve young behind joe montana
topsyturvy said:tom brady of the 2001 patriots
topsyturvy said:tony romo college years
topsyturvy said:tony romo 06 season
topsyturvy said:hasselback
topsyturvy said:and so many others that i lost count....
wow,and your a complete bears hater. i stumble across that.Gigglepoo said:He sat the bench as a rookie...brett farve
brett farve was shit his first year
Did you miss what he did in San Francisco? Or the CFL? jeff garcia
garcia was shit in detroit
And then he met Satan college- tom brady
still played completely average in college
Steve Young was a Heisman runner up in college. Being a backup to the best ever is not a shame.
i was referring to backup
The defending champs? The team that had no run game? Brady was the only reason they won 9 games.
referring to being a backup
He was incredible in college
incredible decent
Um... he was damn good for a rookie.
i didn't meant to post that.
Backed up a Hall of Famer, became a Pro Bowler
backup is the key word here
I have no idea what you're trying to prove but it's pretty clear at this point that you don't know anything about football.
topsyturvy said:wow, :lol and your a complete bears hater. i stumble across that.
sure you do, and i don't know shit about football either.Gigglepoo said:Not at all. I actually watch the Bears with my buddy every week and usually am pulling for them to win. Try again.
topsyturvy said:sure you do, and i don't know shit about football either.
sighGigglepoo said:I'm glad we agree.
Now do you want to rip on Aikman for going 1-15 his first season?
topsyturvy said:sigh
your not getting the list, the list was for backup and shitty seasons played, maybe i should've pointed that out and made it easier for you.
DY_nasty said:How many Rookie QB's light it up?
Garcia was GREAT in San Fran - how many people are actually good in Detroit? That place has been a grave yard for the last 6-8 years.
Brady just got better... (sold his soul) but people DO actually get better. Drew Brees is perfect example of that. HOW THE HELL IS A ROOKIE SUPPOSED TO TAKE OVER FOR JOE MONTANA WTF!?
You can't expect guys to just take over their rookie year and produce pro bowl numbers. Jason Campbell for example, he sat for nearly two seasons and now he's running a damned good washington offense. Carson Palmer sat behind *Jon Kitna* and he's the next best QB behind Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
I'm just blown by those statements man, I don't understand how you can ever take a shot a Steve Young.
Karakand said:JMR will take over from A-Walt Future and lead the Raiders to the playoffs this season.
topsyturvy said:dude, most of the list was for backup qbs. like i said, i should've just pointed that out, i thought it was obvious but i know for damn sure i didn't meant it that way. steve young is incredible and i didn't meant it that way at all.
Gigglepoo said:I missed the guy on the list who played a decade in the NFL as a career backup but then turned everything around. Who was it?
And why did you include Favre, who took over in Green Bay (taking over for The Magic Man) his second year and hasn't looked back? Why did you say Romo sucked in college when he was actually amazing? Why did you take a shot at 2001 Brady who carried a pretty average team? Why did you think Steve Young backing up Joe Montana was somehow comparable to being cut by three NFL teams?
Drafting is overrated. It's all about gambling on free agents that have character / talent / injury issues. I mean look how LOL-P has panned out.Gigglepoo said:Hey, do you know who the last Raider QB, drafted by the Raiders, to make it to the Pro Bowl was? Dr. Z had this in his column today. Needless to say, it's been awhile.
Ken Stabler, 1968
Karakand said:Drafting is overrated. It's all about gambling on free agents that have character / talent / injury issues. I mean look how LOL-P has panned out.
you completely had turn that list into a shit stain and made it something that its not. I'll be deleting it because your completely over exaggerating.Gigglepoo said:I missed the guy on the list who played a decade in the NFL as a career backup but then turned everything around. Who was it?
And why did you include Favre, who took over in Green Bay (taking over for The Magic Man) his second year and hasn't looked back? Why did you say Romo sucked in college when he was actually amazing? Why did you take a shot at 2001 Brady who carried a pretty average team? Why did you think Steve Young backing up Joe Montana was somehow comparable to being cut by three NFL teams?
Slo said:Don Majkowski. Now there was a QUARTERBACK!
Before Big Ben the Steelers were a 6-10 team.DY_nasty said:How many Rookie QB's light it up?
bionic77 said:Before Big Ben the Steelers were a 6-10 team.
As a rookie Big Ben led the Steelers to a 15-1 regular season mark. Engineered 5 or 6 come from behind wins, including a classic where the Steelers were down 10 points to the Parcell Cowboys and afterwards Bill remarked that Ben reminded him of a young Marino. Big Ben finished the season with a 100+ qb rating before running out of gas in the playoffs. He learned his lessons though and finished strong in the following post season.
Of course Big Ben is probably going to be the only rookie qb to ever do this. So the answer to your question is there is and can only be one.![]()