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NHL 11 |OT| - Same glitches, different physics
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MScoutsDCI
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I just wanted to put down my thoughts about how online VS feels so far. I'm pretty much exclusively a 1v1 online VS player. I dabble in OTP once in a while but not yet in 11. This will probably end up being pretty long, but I hope it gets some views and I'd love to hear what other people think as well.
Overall it's been a very frustrating experience so far. It feels weird to say that since I've been winning lots of games (32-6-1, #7 on PSN as of a few hours ago), but it almost feels like I've been winning by accident. There have been very few goals scored where I actually feel a sense of accomplishment. Usually it's fluky rebounds and my opponent's mistakes (his goalie passing right to me for example) that lead to goals.
Passing:
I want to like the new passing system, I really do, but it's been tough to get used to. I feel like the time it takes to charge up a hard pass is usually wasted because 6 or 7 times out of 10 the receiving player can't even take it. Other times I'll end up with several touch passes in a row unintentionally because of a combination of online lag plus the fact that passes feel a little laggy already due to the fact that lifting the button is what actually passes instead of pressing. I really am trying to get used to it and I think I will eventually, but I think it could use some tuning.
Skating:
The skating overall feels better than the past couple of years. I like the hustle feature and I feel like the skating is just more responsive than it has been before, so that's a plus.
Defense:
I've seen people comment on the ineffectiveness of poke checks and I have to agree wholeheartedly. It's extremely difficult to knock a guy off the puck in this game. Personally, I've never been much of a dangler. I've been more of a pass the puck a lot type of player, which puts me at a distinct disadvantage so far this year. Now, I'm not blaming EA or whatever, just saying that my style of play happened to be nerfed a bit in favor of people who like to hold on to the puck forever. It is what it is.
Scoring:
This is a big one. So far, 40ish games in, it feels like it's WAY to hard to score in online VS. Like I said above, most of my goals seem fluky and lucky. I tend to severely outshoot most of my opponents but the score rarely reflects that. There have been a lot of net-front scrambles with 2 or 3 shots and rebounds in a second or two and most of the time the goalie makes every save. In these situations in past years goals happened much more often.
Another part of this is one timers. I understand and agree that in 10, one timers were a little too easy to score on and many people felt that way. So it's understandable that they would try to change that, but the way they did it is very frustrating, at least to me. They seem to have made it so that if a defender's stick is anywhere near the path of a passed puck, it'll act like a magnet and said defender with suck up that pass like a freaking Dyson. I feel like this would be much more acceptable if the puck were to deflect off of the d-man's stick instead of just sticking to it. The way it is now, it automatically gives full control of the puck immediately to the other team, when in reality the puck would deflect somewhere and people would have to go get it.
Random other thoughts/bugs:
Since the demo, I've hated the new line change meter animation. It adds a completely unnecessary delay to changing lines and sometimes the line change meters don't pop up at all. Once in a while, between plays, the bottom section that shows the chosen strategy will pop up, but the line meters never rise up, so I'm stuck hitting the buttons and not being able to see which lines are in what condition and thus just have to blindly hope that I don't put out a dead line.
That's it for now. I don't mean for this to be a whining post, I really do like the game and like I said, I am winning games after all. I just wish I felt like I was "winning" instead of just avoiding losing if you catch my drift.
Anybody actually make it through this whole thing and have some thoughts to add?
Overall it's been a very frustrating experience so far. It feels weird to say that since I've been winning lots of games (32-6-1, #7 on PSN as of a few hours ago), but it almost feels like I've been winning by accident. There have been very few goals scored where I actually feel a sense of accomplishment. Usually it's fluky rebounds and my opponent's mistakes (his goalie passing right to me for example) that lead to goals.
Passing:
I want to like the new passing system, I really do, but it's been tough to get used to. I feel like the time it takes to charge up a hard pass is usually wasted because 6 or 7 times out of 10 the receiving player can't even take it. Other times I'll end up with several touch passes in a row unintentionally because of a combination of online lag plus the fact that passes feel a little laggy already due to the fact that lifting the button is what actually passes instead of pressing. I really am trying to get used to it and I think I will eventually, but I think it could use some tuning.
Skating:
The skating overall feels better than the past couple of years. I like the hustle feature and I feel like the skating is just more responsive than it has been before, so that's a plus.
Defense:
I've seen people comment on the ineffectiveness of poke checks and I have to agree wholeheartedly. It's extremely difficult to knock a guy off the puck in this game. Personally, I've never been much of a dangler. I've been more of a pass the puck a lot type of player, which puts me at a distinct disadvantage so far this year. Now, I'm not blaming EA or whatever, just saying that my style of play happened to be nerfed a bit in favor of people who like to hold on to the puck forever. It is what it is.
Scoring:
This is a big one. So far, 40ish games in, it feels like it's WAY to hard to score in online VS. Like I said above, most of my goals seem fluky and lucky. I tend to severely outshoot most of my opponents but the score rarely reflects that. There have been a lot of net-front scrambles with 2 or 3 shots and rebounds in a second or two and most of the time the goalie makes every save. In these situations in past years goals happened much more often.
Another part of this is one timers. I understand and agree that in 10, one timers were a little too easy to score on and many people felt that way. So it's understandable that they would try to change that, but the way they did it is very frustrating, at least to me. They seem to have made it so that if a defender's stick is anywhere near the path of a passed puck, it'll act like a magnet and said defender with suck up that pass like a freaking Dyson. I feel like this would be much more acceptable if the puck were to deflect off of the d-man's stick instead of just sticking to it. The way it is now, it automatically gives full control of the puck immediately to the other team, when in reality the puck would deflect somewhere and people would have to go get it.
Random other thoughts/bugs:
Since the demo, I've hated the new line change meter animation. It adds a completely unnecessary delay to changing lines and sometimes the line change meters don't pop up at all. Once in a while, between plays, the bottom section that shows the chosen strategy will pop up, but the line meters never rise up, so I'm stuck hitting the buttons and not being able to see which lines are in what condition and thus just have to blindly hope that I don't put out a dead line.
That's it for now. I don't mean for this to be a whining post, I really do like the game and like I said, I am winning games after all. I just wish I felt like I was "winning" instead of just avoiding losing if you catch my drift.
Anybody actually make it through this whole thing and have some thoughts to add?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Fuck this game! FUCK THIS GAME! Fucking 1v1 is frustrating as fuck!
CrazedArabMan
Member
eh, first 1v1 game I won 6 to 1, pretty fun, don't know if I'll do more though.
CartridgeBlower
Member
MScoutsDCI said:
This is also very true. Waaaay to many one-time attempts get broken up by the CPU, and as you said, it's not that they just deflect it, but they literally gain full possession. Really frustrating.
infinityBCRT
Member
Try using Saucer passes (RB).CartridgeBlower said:
like so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3GFVPxFs9E
I have a problem. Anyone encounter this:
A friend and I were trying tonight to use headsets while playing against each other but neither of us could hear the other. Were on the PS3 and the XMB voice chat was working fine. Is there a option or setting we might be missing while in game?
~d
A friend and I were trying tonight to use headsets while playing against each other but neither of us could hear the other. Were on the PS3 and the XMB voice chat was working fine. Is there a option or setting we might be missing while in game?
~d
infinityBCRT
Member
dunno but I know on the 360 there were rampant headset problems with NHL 09 until Party Chat was enabled, and then everyone just started using that instead.daevv said:
Rapping Granny
Banned
Hows everyone HUT team looking like?
Shane Doan - Anze Kopitar - Patrick Eaves
James Neal- Some scrub - Some guy
Some guy- Roman Cervenka - Andre Petersson
Ethan Moreau- Jeff Skinner- some guy
Drewskie- Pothier
Obrien- Cumisky
some guy- some guy
Cam Ward
someguy
Shane Doan - Anze Kopitar - Patrick Eaves
James Neal- Some scrub - Some guy
Some guy- Roman Cervenka - Andre Petersson
Ethan Moreau- Jeff Skinner- some guy
Drewskie- Pothier
Obrien- Cumisky
some guy- some guy
Cam Ward
someguy
funkmastergeneral
Banned
It sucks that I can't play HUT mode offline, my xbox currently is far away from my router and I don't have the wireless adapter =/
BULLSHIT
BULLSHIT
bumpkin
Member
Hmm, anybody play as the LA Kings much? Does the play-by-play guy still pronounce Marc-Andre Cliche's last name as "clee-shay"? It's supposed to be "cleesh". :lol
On a side note, I know it's AHL players' goal to make it up to the NHL, but I really hope we get to keep Cliche another year on the Manchester Monarchs (the Kings' AHL affiliate). He was awesome last season.
On a side note, I know it's AHL players' goal to make it up to the NHL, but I really hope we get to keep Cliche another year on the Manchester Monarchs (the Kings' AHL affiliate). He was awesome last season.
Rapping Granny said:
Christ... the only recognizable name I have is Kris Draper. :lol
On a side note: I was playing in the tournament last night online. And I'm not sure if this guy was glitching the game to do this, but several times he had both of his goalies in net... I ended up beating him so that was good. I even scored when he had both goalies in net, with 0.7 secs left in the 2nd period.
funkmastergeneral
Banned
bumpkin said:
Are you in Manchester? I've lived 15 minutes away from Manchester most of my life but never saw the team play.
Picked up this game on Wednesday, so far the passing is the most annoying thing I've encountered but I have gotten a lil more used to it.
Online record is 4-3-1, my 3 losses were timeouts that I don't think had anything to do with my hardline connection..in two of those matches, the game kept looping back to a face-off endlessly, we would play 4 or 5 mins and then all off a sudden get put back to the same face-off 4 mins ago...then eventually connection lost.
I am having fun playing be a gm mode, I took my time to recreate the Jets, and with Bob Essensa as my GM and the Finnish flash back where he belongs the Stanley Cups will soon be mine.
Overall I'd say I'm content with this game, it's not blowing me away compared to last year but its entertaining.
Online record is 4-3-1, my 3 losses were timeouts that I don't think had anything to do with my hardline connection..in two of those matches, the game kept looping back to a face-off endlessly, we would play 4 or 5 mins and then all off a sudden get put back to the same face-off 4 mins ago...then eventually connection lost.
I am having fun playing be a gm mode, I took my time to recreate the Jets, and with Bob Essensa as my GM and the Finnish flash back where he belongs the Stanley Cups will soon be mine.
Overall I'd say I'm content with this game, it's not blowing me away compared to last year but its entertaining.
betweenthewheels
Member
Wonder if you guys can help me out.
I wanna get back into some NHL, but the last one I bought was 08. I'm not very hardcore into the simulation stuff/managing teams, I just wanna play seasons.
Do you think NHL 10 would be good enough for me? Its a hell of a lot cheaper too, so that helps. It's just the new physics system that seems like a big step up from previous iterations.
I wanna get back into some NHL, but the last one I bought was 08. I'm not very hardcore into the simulation stuff/managing teams, I just wanna play seasons.
Do you think NHL 10 would be good enough for me? Its a hell of a lot cheaper too, so that helps. It's just the new physics system that seems like a big step up from previous iterations.
Not really. It wouldn't take them that long to re-record the names during the recording sessions for the new dialogue each year. It's just pure laziness.expy said:
If you don't care all that much about 100% accurate rosters or the physics, then I'd definitely go with NHL 10. The Be A GM mode is almost identical with the exception of RFAs and preseason games.betweenthewheels said:
I was being sarcastic... $59.00 - $.69.99 is way too much to pay for this game.Marvie_3 said:
Don't know about the 360 version, but on the PS3 you can have custom roster files downloaded from the net. http://www.ultimatehockey.info/Marvie_3 said:
Rapping Granny
Banned
SCHUEY F1 said:
Why not? what does it say?
sazabirules
Unconfirmed Member
Is there any plans for a PS3 EASHL team?
Square Triangle
Member
They still pronounce Franzen wrong..Marvie_3 said:
Rapping Granny
Banned
Is it just me or did the commentary get even shittier this year, I mean I just dumped the puck down and goalie picks up behind the net and the guy screams ' WHAT A SAVE '.
Foreign Jackass
Member
Can anyone explain why I can't play with multiple people on one side in Hockey Ultimate Team? It's as if EA can't be not retarded about those things.
CrazedArabMan
Member
Marvie_3 said:
Same thing every year.
CrazedArabMan
Member
Edit: eh, this comment is for the online side not the OT. 
A big fuck you to "hey we fixed all the glitches":
http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/35433641
http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/35433641
That's not a glitch. That's just the awesomeness that is the Blackhawks defense.bran said:
I almost wish they'd tie your attributes to your position score. If you're not playing your position properly, your attributes drop like a rock. 85 rated Johnny Cherrypicker suddenly becomes a 55 for hanging out at center ice all game.JWong said:
TheVisualizer
Banned
After playing a few games of online VS mode today I gotta say I'm kind of regretting getting rid of NHL10, it just plays a funner more wide open game. I like all of the new improvements in NHL11, but defense for me this year is way too easy. I also think the default game speed online needs to be increased as its near impossible to get people to overskate and get out of position on defense, most games are determined by who gives away the first breakaway since no goalie can stop the automatic glitch goal.
I'm not even touching online or offline VS mode again until something is done as I really don't think it's possible for anyone to score a goal on me the way the game is playing, and despite my ability to win every game with relative ease it's just not fun to me, even if I decide not to use the breakaway glitch goal myself. I'll continue playing EASHL with GAF as the amount of human error in those games makes things interesting but I'm kind of bummed out.
I'm not even touching online or offline VS mode again until something is done as I really don't think it's possible for anyone to score a goal on me the way the game is playing, and despite my ability to win every game with relative ease it's just not fun to me, even if I decide not to use the breakaway glitch goal myself. I'll continue playing EASHL with GAF as the amount of human error in those games makes things interesting but I'm kind of bummed out.
They could easily fix this. If you're too far away from the net, the goalie holds the puck. If there is someone in the passing lane, the goalie holds the puck. Doesn't matter if you're calling for it or not.Malvolio said:
The voting thing would totally get abused. Goalies would let in 1 goal on 50 shots and get kicked out.
Come play for Team 1.TheVisualizer said:
10 OT losses.
That would be an interesting mechanic. Probably should drastically affect puck handling stats over time so that the stretch passes would fail.Marvie_3 said:
I could see what you're saying. If they are out of position for a long time, like sticking around in their offensive zone blue line, they'll just lose the ability to handle stretch passes. That shouldn't take away the fact that defensive breakdowns do happen and fowards will jump on the chance. Those opportunities would only need a few moments being out of position.
TheVisualizer
Banned
Marvie_3 said:Come play for Team 1.
10 OT losses.
We have just as many OT losses, EASHL isn't easy, but VS mode is, there's a big difference when you have control of all 5 guys.