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NHL Off-Season 2017 |OT| Weve Been Here Since October
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Leafs only have 3 forwards under contract for 2019-2020 and one of them is Nathan Horton. I hardly think the 2.5 from Martin is going to be a huge factor.
Forwards under contract:
Nathan Horton
Nazem Kadri
Matt Martin
You're telling me the Leafs can't figure out their forwards cap situation from this starting point?
Martin - 2.5mil x 4 years "he's not egregiously bad". If that's your best description for him there's no justification for giving him that contract and playing him over Leivo/Leipsic/Kapanen/Soshnikov/ or whoever else.
Zaitsev is fine #4 in his prime years. But you've locked this guy up for 7 years and I can't see him getting much better then he currently is at his age. Should you be paying a #4 guy that much money and term? I can't see the justification for that.
Leivo/Leipsic/Kapanen/Soshnikov, are all those guys going to be 4th line players? You've got to have some experience on the team and not a team full of rookies on every line. It's not like Martin hurts the Leafs out there, he is what he is, but his contract is hardly an indication that management have lost their minds. You can find a dubious contract on every team in the league, and honestly a 2.5 million hit is way easier to absorb then someone making over $5M (see David Clarkson)
What has Lou really done well with the Leafs other than the Phaneuf trade?
granted, the Phaneuf trade was very good
Also, I don't know how much Lou actually influences their drafting but their 2016 draft was really suspect compared to the 2015 draft before he was brought in
edit: oh yeah the Rielly and Kadri contracts were excellent
granted, the Phaneuf trade was very good
Also, I don't know how much Lou actually influences their drafting but their 2016 draft was really suspect compared to the 2015 draft before he was brought in
edit: oh yeah the Rielly and Kadri contracts were excellent
Hunter runs the draft. Lou doesn't have a blank cheque either. I know he was the be all and end all in NJ, but over here Shanahan has the final say.
No more sideburns
Don't forget those deadline deals last year when he dealt stiffs like Winnik etc for picks. Did pretty well there.
Coldnoodle
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I just came back from the dentist what's happ...
Zombie James
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http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Lou_Lamoriello/287
Getting two 2nds for Polak and Spaling was pretty good.
I think they faff around for about half an hour.
Coldnoodle
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and then he gave one of those away for effectively nothing (Brian Boyle)
ElephantShell
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Honestly, I dunno if they make the playoffs without Boyle.
They didn't go anywhere but it was fun so I'd say it was worth it.
True, Lou has made some good deadline deals.
I think the problem is, besides the Kadri and Rielly contracts, all the moves which have been intended to help the team compete in the present have been rather underwhelming. these are the kinds of moves which can hurt your team over the long term, so if he doesn't get it right, the leafs will be screwed.
for example:
- Andersen trade and contract were very risky (1st year went pretty well, but this could still go downhill in a hurry)
- everything related to Matt Martin (including re-signing Ben Smith 🤢
- Zaitsev contract is defensible, but you have to really strain yourself to defend it tbh
- Boyle trade was an overpayment
I can almost buy that, but at the same time, Peter Holland would have been at least as good as their 4C down the stretch. Maybe he doesn't win as many faceoffs but he would have contributed more offensively.
I think the problem is, besides the Kadri and Rielly contracts, all the moves which have been intended to help the team compete in the present have been rather underwhelming. these are the kinds of moves which can hurt your team over the long term, so if he doesn't get it right, the leafs will be screwed.
for example:
- Andersen trade and contract were very risky (1st year went pretty well, but this could still go downhill in a hurry)
- everything related to Matt Martin (including re-signing Ben Smith 🤢
- Zaitsev contract is defensible, but you have to really strain yourself to defend it tbh
- Boyle trade was an overpayment
I can almost buy that, but at the same time, Peter Holland would have been at least as good as their 4C down the stretch. Maybe he doesn't win as many faceoffs but he would have contributed more offensively.
wsoxfan1214
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MY PSN IS RELEVANT AGAIN
True, Lou has made some good deadline deals.
I think the problem is, besides the Kadri and Rielly contracts, all the moves which have been intended to help the team compete in the present have been rather underwhelming. these are the kinds of moves which can hurt your team over the long term, so if he doesn't get it right, the leafs will be screwed.
for example:
- Andersen trade and contract were very risky (1st year went pretty well, but this could still go downhill in a hurry)
- everything related to Matt Martin (including re-signing Ben Smith 🤢
- Zaitsev contract is defensible, but you have to really strain yourself to defend it tbh
- Boyle trade was an overpayment
People complaining about Martin, but all season he didn't have a real center to play with. Holland. Smith, the Goat. Finally when they got Boyle you noticed the 4th line was actually effective. Other than a slight overpayment on Martin's contract I fail to see how it's such a bad move. Give him a decent center on the 4th line and they can play.
:lol :lol
CreeperBlocks
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it's a "slight overpayment" if it was a 1 year deal. for 4 years it's virtually incomprehensible. now he's devouring a roster spot for 3 more years instead of letting an actual skilled player take his spot. Like, say, Brendan Leipsic, maybe? look at columbus last year for an example of what a REAL 4th line can contribute to a team.
Erdrick
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That was actually my first thought upon hearing him head back to the Hawks. "Well, at least that one dude should be happy." lol
It's also literally the FB message I sent him this morning when I read the news :lol
I mean, he was still going to lose an asset, plus whoever he acquired he would have to worry about protecting meaning someone else valuable was going to be exposed.
Trading Methot wouldn't really have solved anything.
wsoxfan1214
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No one reads your messages smiley
Exactly, I hate the whole he lost an asset for nothing argument. Shit makes no sense, everyone lost an asset or lost an asset in order to protect someone for nothing. Some teams just lost a bigger asset than other just because of the way they are structured with ECLs and shit.
It also happens the teams that lost the biggest assets were the final 4 in the yoffs.
Neal, Methot, Fleury and Theodore.
It also happens the teams that lost the biggest assets were the final 4 in the yoffs.
Neal, Methot, Fleury and Theodore.
I assumed that's where you get all your material
wsoxfan1214
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Even I have standards
wsoxfan1214
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That was pretty much everyone's thoughts in our group when it happened. Smiley just happened to have a decent reaction time this time around.
Even I have standards
wsoxfan1214
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It brings me comfort that Soc is still just as pretentious two years later.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
So quick to anger. You've changed, man.
Its because you arent here to take him down a peg or something
8 years for Oshie? 😬
ooofffffff not a bad price but those years tho