Ninja Gaiden II IGN review
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When I read the reviews I see them pointing out many flaws in the game which is what they are supposed to do. And therefore regardless of how they feel about the guy who made it the reviews are "fair" in that resect.Kabuki Waq said:
User reviews and gaming reviews will differ, they always do, but that doesn't discredit the fact that different reviewers are pointing out similar flaws.
My comments have nothing to do with Xbox and everything to do with my dislike for Itagaki.Kabuki Waq said:
PepsimanVsJoe
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Earlier didn't we read a very well-done interview by Chris Kohler with Shane Kim? Now Chris asked some pretty difficult questions and managed to put together a great piece, and he's not dead or un-employed now.
But these Itagaki interviews, yeesh. I mean you've got this guy practically burying all of the exceptional talent who worked on Sigma and the interviewer just plays lip service like they're doing an episode of Oprah.
Anyway whatever it's all water under the bridge. The game is in reviewer's hands and it's probably not the greatest thing ever. Whether it has anything to do with Itagaki himself we'll never know.
But these Itagaki interviews, yeesh. I mean you've got this guy practically burying all of the exceptional talent who worked on Sigma and the interviewer just plays lip service like they're doing an episode of Oprah.
Anyway whatever it's all water under the bridge. The game is in reviewer's hands and it's probably not the greatest thing ever. Whether it has anything to do with Itagaki himself we'll never know.
Kabuki Waq
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can someone quote the so called "bias personal attacks" in the review?
Haunted
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Still unacceptable if it's really in the final copy.CurseoftheGods said:It's going to be interesting to see how fanboys are going to react to minimal drops in frame rate and minor loading issues in mid-battle, when it was clearly unacceptable in Ninja Gaiden Sigma.
METRIC SPIN THIS, FUCKERS.
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Y2Kev said:
You can beat all of GTA missions without killing a baddie that's not a target.
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BeeDog said:
i didn't say they were game breaking, did i? they were, however, present. this could be due to the fact that i have a 20 gig and there is a difference between hdd cache size (20gig 2mb - 60gig 8mb).
JumpJeff84
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too bad to hear about the frame drops and loading...
Still though, I'll get many happy hours of gaming outta this one. Even though Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't perfect, I'd probably rank it as my all-time favorite game. I've beaten it twice, and I'm currently on level 3 on Hard difficulty.
I also beat the Original Xbox Ninja Gaiden once, so you could say I'm a bit of a fan. I didn't really expect part 2 to surpass the original, but as long is the gameplay is intact I'm sure I'll have incredible amounts of fun with it....
Still though, I'll get many happy hours of gaming outta this one. Even though Ninja Gaiden Sigma isn't perfect, I'd probably rank it as my all-time favorite game. I've beaten it twice, and I'm currently on level 3 on Hard difficulty.
I also beat the Original Xbox Ninja Gaiden once, so you could say I'm a bit of a fan. I didn't really expect part 2 to surpass the original, but as long is the gameplay is intact I'm sure I'll have incredible amounts of fun with it....
RockmanWhore
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So it's still Ninja Gaiden, with the same "flaws", so it's awesome. Those who complain about the camera should learn to play the game properly, if there's someone attacking you from behind it's your fault for letting the enemies get behind you.
You can't have a close up camera that allows you to read the enemies clearly and at the same time have a wide panoramic overview of the battle. Wide range camera is good for cannon fodder enemies like you encounter in DMC or God of War. But in a game like God Hand or Ninja Gaiden, you have to react like you would if you were playing a Tekken or a Virtua Fighter. I wouldn't want to fight NG's ninja with Gof of War's camera anyway.
Plus Ryu has insane defence options, you can cancel-guard any time and roll at lighting speed. It needs a little practice to adapt, but in the end, the one to blame is the player not the camera. And I don't see how they could improve it without downdrading the combat.
You can't have a close up camera that allows you to read the enemies clearly and at the same time have a wide panoramic overview of the battle. Wide range camera is good for cannon fodder enemies like you encounter in DMC or God of War. But in a game like God Hand or Ninja Gaiden, you have to react like you would if you were playing a Tekken or a Virtua Fighter. I wouldn't want to fight NG's ninja with Gof of War's camera anyway.
Plus Ryu has insane defence options, you can cancel-guard any time and roll at lighting speed. It needs a little practice to adapt, but in the end, the one to blame is the player not the camera. And I don't see how they could improve it without downdrading the combat.
Any word about the classics being unlockables here too? Just wondering since I have 500 spare wii points and was thinking about getting the first game. I know they were in the first Ninja Gaiden for Xbox, but i've only got a 360 and for some reason they dont work with the BC.
EDIT: Also I dont think I ever had any problems with the original Ninja Gaiden (even after those Ninja pack updates added stuff to the game) camera system. Maybe a little more challenging than it should've been when making your way down that big cave with the bone dragon...but other than that, nothing.
EDIT: Also I dont think I ever had any problems with the original Ninja Gaiden (even after those Ninja pack updates added stuff to the game) camera system. Maybe a little more challenging than it should've been when making your way down that big cave with the bone dragon...but other than that, nothing.
Teknoman said:
I highly doubt they are on the disc. NG Black didn't even receive the 3 NES games. Just the arcade game.
Besides, why give them away now when MS and Tecmo can charge for them on XBLA in the future.
I'm still shocked NG1 isn't going up on XBLA in the next two weeks. This would be the perfect time to do it.
rollingstart
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I just don't get why Team Ninja couldn't fix the camera for this game. I dealt with it for three games and several playthroughs (first time without the right analog patch) and while I am used to it, it is ridiculously stubborn to not improve the aspect of your game that almost every single review said was a problem.
and is there going to be a demo of this? another week of waiting is taking so long.
and is there going to be a demo of this? another week of waiting is taking so long.
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Linkzg said:
The camera doesn't need fixing because it is not broken. To have what most people want, you'd have an epileptic seizure with the camera moving so much. It's a problem because these reviewers are full of weaksauce.
I didn't think this game was coming out till the end of the year for some reason. It seems like MS rushed this game to counter MGS4. I bet that if it was delayed till holiday 08 it would be far more polished and the problems that the reviews are talking about would be reduced to nothing or close to nothing.
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Agent Icebeezy said:
So it isn't a problem for a niche group of gamers like you, me, and a handfull of others, but everyone else will still consider it a pain in the ass to deal with. That alone should have provoked Team Ninja to at least think of a better solution. I still think the camera is a problem, but I am able to deal with it for the most part, I would rather not have to 'deal' with the camera when I play my games.
I don't create games so I can't think of one other than pulling back the camera, but that would be a problem since the great part about Ninja Gaiden is that it is close up and feels like a fighting game. I would think someone whose job is to create these games would be able to think of something else that does work.
I really don't know what could be done to fix the camera issues. I guess they could slow the game down, but then this isn't Ninja Gaiden. The problem really isn't with the camera. If there is any issue it is because Ryu Hayabusa moves so damn fast since he is a super ninja it is tough to keep track of him. After some playtime you get used to things.
MarkRyan said:
You think people from Yale can't make mistakes?
When has there ever been stealth in NG? Never. not now, not on the NES. It's a common and annoying complaint about the series. it's an action game, not a stealth game. You don't need a degree from Yale to figure that out. (but way to take a sarcastic comment literally.)
actually, I'm right with them on most of these reviews. not in denial about some of the problems, as they were in sigma.
but for fuck's sake, people need to stop whining about stealth in Ninja Gaiden. Even the people who have master's degrees from Yale.
I love the Ninja Gaiden series, the camera never really bothered me. With that said, it needs fixing in the future, just like MGS/RE needed revamps. The fans have learned to work with the limitations, but you can't expect everyone to accept it. At some point TN is going to have to address the issue, the sooner the better.
Yeah, it's going to be tough to do with the way the game plays. I wonder what it would play like with a God of War type camera, high and pulled back.
Mrbob said:
Yeah, it's going to be tough to do with the way the game plays. I wonder what it would play like with a God of War type camera, high and pulled back.
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Mrbob said:
With how the game plays, there isn't anything to do. The game goes too fast and with the camera being fully operational, it's left up to the gamer. Ninja Gaiden is a hardcore game. Mastery of the moves and the controller is a must to succeed. It is an unforgiving game. Yeah, people have issues with the camera, but I've long thought of how a work around could be introduced and still feel like Ninja Gaiden. There isn't any.
People keep saying fix the camera, well then how would you?
rollingstart
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Agent Icebeezy said:
I'm not really sure how to fix the camera, but then again it isn't my job to be making this game. I do know that it needs to be fixed and that maybe someone at Team Ninja could think of something.
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Linkzg said:
Then it's fine, it's not a game for everyone anyway. We need niche game, when you try to strech to much your audience, your game loses its soul. Just look at Twilight Princess, they wanted to please the hardcore, so the game is long and has "mature" visuals, they wanted to please grandma so the game is damn easy and linear as hell. In the end it's a damn great game, but it doesn't please grandma for it's too complex for her to enjoy, and it's too easy for the hardcore who wanted a Toon Link anyway.
Glad to see that we're back to discussing the game itself after being sidetracked by people that got butt-hurt by Itagaki...
So I watched all 4 of Gamersyde's vids on my 360 finally...
...and I don't see how the hell you can hate on the game.
It looks gorgeous, moves like greased lightning, the combos, the Obliterations, and Ryu knows how to make an entrance!
And I can see why reviewers were complaining - the first boss can put one hell of a hurting on you...
So if you haven't done it yet, I recommend that you guys watch the vids from Gamersyde on your HDTV's, and make sure you get the WMV version...
So I watched all 4 of Gamersyde's vids on my 360 finally...
...and I don't see how the hell you can hate on the game.
It looks gorgeous, moves like greased lightning, the combos, the Obliterations, and Ryu knows how to make an entrance!
And I can see why reviewers were complaining - the first boss can put one hell of a hurting on you...
So if you haven't done it yet, I recommend that you guys watch the vids from Gamersyde on your HDTV's, and make sure you get the WMV version...
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RockmanWhore said:
Nail on the head man.
I actually said something very similair in my review.
http://www.geekpulp.co.nz/2008/05/26/ninja-gaiden-2-review-xbox-360/
Something that seems to be glossed over in a lot of the reviews is that the mechanics of limb dismemberment actually brings Ninja Gaiden 2 up to a whole new level from the original. A lot of the enemies use their limbs to attack you, some even have chainsaws/cannons for arms. When you remove these it impedes their ability to attack and when you have 8 enemies surrounding you every little thing like that helps.
Also removing limbs as opposed to just random attacks is part skill based and not just random luck. With the right timing/positioning you can decapitate/disarm an enemy that you haven't weakened.
For those who liked Ninja Gaiden Soundtrack, Microsoft created a Zune Podcast with 4 songs from the game (NG2), the main theme and 3 stage songs.
http://social.zune.net/member/Ninja+Vengeance
http://social.zune.net/member/Ninja+Vengeance
Mrbob said:
Fixed camera. Why haven't they tried a fixed camera? It doesn't make any sense to continue with a 3d camera for a game this fast.
Why can't it be pulled back in the same fashion God of War's camera is? Of course, this assumes that the levels would be designed in this fashion. Babysitting the camera so that it is functional is not really good game design.
rollingstart
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Y2Kev said:
problem with pulling it back is that it will ruin the feel of the game. Part of what is great is that it is close up so you see all the gore going on and it feels like a fighting game...sorta. However, it could have at least been an option.
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Linkzg said:
You are designing two different games then. Why make assets when only 70% are going to be shown?
Mrbob said:
I'd entertain this idea of it being too difficult if Ninja Gaiden Dragon Sword didn't play as fast or faster than NG1. The inaccuracy of controls is a problem brought on by the touchscreen and could easily be remedied with a controller.
I just don't accept that they can't fix it.
Linkzg said:
I don't really need to see the gore. I'm not a gore fetishist (just a niche fetishist) and babysitting the camera is less fun.
I'm not assuming they could just flick a switch and it'd be, "Oh, game has fixed camera now!" But it could have been an option back in the beginning of development. Anyone who says, "Oh no no no it'd ruin it!" remind me of the MGS fans who insisted that a 3D camera would kill metal gear.
rollingstart
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Agent Icebeezy said:
I don't really follow.
One camera can be upclose and be the 'classic' camera. The other can be pulled back and still have R centering, just it is now pulled futhur back so you can keep track of some battles easier. For situations when in rooms, simply make the walls invisible when needed.
Y2Kev said:
This is my problem with it.
Y2Kev said:
One of the reasons why it worked so well is because the controls in Dragon Sword are leniant, almost to a fault. It is easier to pull off moves with the stylish than a controller because you don't need to be as precise. Just move a slice over the enemy here and there. Also, the game does compensate for the fixed angles by auto locking onto enemies. Do a downward slash after jumping in the air ryu automatically locks onto the closest enemy and slices down at them. I don't want any automatic filters added to battle for the console version.