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[PJX]

wow.


This. And Kojima and Nomura do not put down their own development teams work, publicly.

I was about to respond to you seriously, that is until I realise that you are the jester Sony fanboy from the teamxbox forum

 

[MCD]

I'm not really concerned about the content of the review-- I already have the game paid in full. I am just stunned at the number of people who come into a review thread and don't read the review or the thread.

agreed.

Rob was pretty specific and clear.

 

[Speevy]

You keep telling yourself that.

Well they haven't. Great upgrades though.

 

[syllogism]

I'm not really concerned about the content of the review-- I already have the game paid in full. I am just stunned at the number of people who come into a review thread and don't read the review or the thread.

To be fair reading the review wouldn't make much difference as they haven't played the game and are solely basing their review antagonism on their fanboyism

 

[Kunan]

what?

Itagaki is. He thinks he's so cool, completely oblivious to the world around him. He's a rabid fanboy who actually gets to talk to the media and spread his word.

 

[Synless]

I was about to respond to you seriously, that is until I realise that you are the jester Sony fanboy from the teamxbox forum

His point was still valid though.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Between my disappointment with HD gaming, this thread, and my right ear which is completely cocked up, it is fair to say that I am hating life something fierce.

Are people seriously insinuating that Itagaki is one of the reasons why people are knocking points off of NG2's score? That sounds so horribly base and immature that it must be true. Did PS3 review sites knock points off the Orange Box when Newell talked about how much he hated their system?

 

[CurseoftheGods]

It's going to be interesting to see how fanboys are going to react to minimal drops in frame rate and minor loading issues in mid-battle, when it was clearly unacceptable in Ninja Gaiden Sigma.

METRIC SPIN THIS, FUCKERS.

 

[neojubei]

I was about to respond to you seriously, that is until I realise that you are the jester Sony fanboy from the teamxbox forum

Jester? Name calling now? wow. Itagaki should at least back his own dev team publicly just to show face. Its like Kojima saying how he didn't think Metal Gear Acid games were any good in an interview., Kojima knows better.

Between my disappointment with HD gaming, this thread, and my right ear which is completely cocked up, it is fair to say that I am hating life something fierce.

Are people seriously insinuating that Itagaki is one of the reasons why people are knocking points off of NG2's score? That sounds so horribly base and immature that it must be true. Did PS3 review sites knock points off the Orange Box when Newell talked about how much he hated their system?

I thought the game got the score it did because of the game and not because Itagaki.

 

[Speevy]

I am the Sony fanboy jester from Teamxbox.

 

[Chamber]

Ouch, that's what DMC4 got.

What a tragedy. :/

 

[Clevinger]

Between my disappointment with HD gaming, this thread, and my right ear which is completely cocked up, it is fair to say that I am hating life something fierce.

Are people seriously insinuating that Itagaki is one of the reasons why people are knocking points off of NG2's score? That sounds so horribly base and immature that it must be true. Did PS3 review sites knock points off the Orange Box when Newell talked about how much he hated their system?

I think it's dumb to think most reviewers have a vendetta against Itagaki, and that it's a fanboy's reaction to the idea that their game might be flawed, but I believe there's one review that's rather antagonistic towards Itagaki and his fans. Something about pissing in their mouths or something. Some awfully stupid and unneeded shit.

 

[PJX]

His point was still valid though.

Not really.

Jester? Name calling now? wow.

I call it as I see it.

Itagaki should at least back his own dev team publicly just to show face. Its like Kojima saying how he didn't think Metal Gear Acid games were any good in an interview., Kojima knows better.

Yes because we are all the same person and we shouldn't be allowed to speak oru opinion. I mean God created everyone to be the same. I mean we should all just shut our mouth and not speak our opinions. Not defending Itagaki for the way he act, but I believe if Itagaki's mom wanted to have a Kojima, she would've been fucking Kojima's dad instead. I really hate it when people say X person shoudl be like X person" seriously WTF is up with that shit.

 

[Synless]

Not really.



I call it as I see it.



Yes because we are all the same person and we shouldn't be allowed to speak oru opinion. I mean God created everyone to be the same. I mean we should all just shut our mouth and not speak our opinions. Not defending Itagaki for the way he act, but I believe if Itagaki's mom wanted to have a Kojima, she would've been fucking Kojima's dad instead. I really hate it when people say X person shoudl be like X person" seriously WTF is up with that shit.

How wasn't it? Care to elaborate? Itagaki has insulted his fellow workers when sigma came out. When has Kojima or even Nomura ever done this? His point is as valid as they get.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Now that we've determined how Itagaki should behave in public let's get back to how much NG2 sucks.

 

[AZ Greg]

What's the word on screen tearing? It seems they brought over all the other negatives of Sigma. This is looking like a rental.

 

[DC R1D3R]

I think it's dumb to think most reviewers have a vendetta against Itagaki, and that it's a fanboy's reaction to the idea that their game might be flawed, but I believe there's one review that's rather antagonistic towards Itagaki and his fans. Something about pissing in their mouths or something. Some awfully stupid and unneeded shit.

I think this is the quote.

The saving grace here is the fanbase. If you’re in this group, there’s no reason why you won’t love Ninja Gaiden 2, despite its faults. You don’t care about next-gen graphics, level design and fairness, right? You like having Tomonobu Itagaki stamp on your ego, rob your of sanity and piss down your throat. 7/10

When you read a review like that, you know that something just aint right! I mean sure, if you have a problem with the man, fair enough, but to attack his fanbase? That's just screaming butt-hurt.

Serious questions have to be asked :[

 

[BeeDog]

Well I certainly expected a bit more praise for this game, but you guys suck if you still think these reviews are bad. Loved Gaiden Sigma (my first foray into the NG series), and this game still piques my interest like hell, even though some of the flaws sound a bit distracting.

 

[soldat7]

Why do people still read Eurogamer? It's just a bunch of highschool students writing in a blog. They have some of the most ridiculous reviews I've ever read. (Halo 3 for example)

Eurogamer seems to be one of the most objective sites out there. Their Halo 3 review is one of the best (as is their retrospective on the game).

A 7 from Eurogamer is actually decent but I'm pretty disappointed.

 

[Speevy]

Why do people still read <the review site with which I disagree>? When was the last time they were relevant (to me)?

 

[Lightning]

When you read a review like that, you know that something just aint right! I mean sure, if you have a problem with the man, fair enough, but to attack his fanbase? That's just screaming butt-hurt.

Serious questions have to be asked :[

He brought this on himself with some of the things he has said and done. He not only thinks his own shit doesn't stink but he insults his fellow workmates and other developers. With all the crap this guy has said over the past few weeks, he is getting EXACTLY what he deserves.

 

[FrankT]

I think this is the quote.



When you read a review like that, you know that something just aint right! I mean sure, if you have a problem with the man, fair enough, but to attack his fanbase? That's just screaming butt-hurt.

Serious questions have to be asked :[

rob your of sanity and piss down

Well the first thing I would question would be their English skills.

Eurogamer isn't the end all be all. The reviews so far are solid even in light of some of the negatives, which the mid-game loading may very well be absent and frame rate issues at PAL 1080p isn't game breaking either. We will see how the rest of the US reviews turn out. Overall I would imagine close to a 9 when it is all said and done.


Also, anyone thinking there will be a PS3 version of this game down the road really has no idea what they are talking about. This is a MGS fully funded game. It's not going anywhere unlike its predecessor and unlike third party money hats. Two totally different ball games.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

He brought this on himself with some of the things he has said and done. He not only thinks his own shit doesn't stink but he insults his fellow workmates and other developers. With all the crap this guy has said over the past few weeks, he is getting EXACTLY what he deserves.

So rather than have an interviewer actually call him out on his shit we entertain the idea of simply knocking a point or two off of his next game?

 

[CurseoftheGods]

It's too bad to hear that NGII was released half-baked considering how complete and polished the original felt in its time. Alas, I might skip this release and wait for a Black/Sigma revision. I already have enough games (and a huge backlog) to go through this summer.

 

[AranhaHunter]

I'm dissapointed, Sigma got a 9.3 while Black and NG got a 9.4.....

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

He brought this on himself with some of the things he has said and done. He not only thinks his own shit doesn't stink but he insults his fellow workmates and other developers. With all the crap this guy has said over the past few weeks, he is getting EXACTLY what he deserves.

You judge the game only, you don't take your misgivings about the man behind the game when reviewing it. Yet another sterling example about why gaming journalism is complete shit. Thankfully I stopped listening to them years ago.

 

[Kittonwy]

So rather than have an interviewer actually call him out on his shit we entertain the idea of simply knocking a point or two off of his next game?

Actually if you give the game a bad score (which makes it easier for OTHER reviewers to also give it a bad score), it's not like he can do anything about it and in the end it might end up hurting his bottomline if there is some sort of performance incentive based on average reviews, if you want to call him out, first of all you might not get an interview with him, and second he can either dodge your question or attack you back. Not that I would suggest doing such a thing.

From what I've read it doesn't look like the scores the game has been receiving so far seem unfair or anything.

 

[Francias Castiglione]

So rather than have an interviewer actually call him out on his shit we entertain the idea of simply knocking a point or two off of his next game?

I honestly don't think Itagaki would give a shit, he seems to have offended (a) the GamesRadar reviewer and (b) people who didn't like him or his games anyway.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

if a game does not evolve in its sequel you cant really expect the same score.

 

[AranhaHunter]

Because the once exclusive NG1 did make it over to Sony land. And the fact that Konami has been adamant that there is no 360 version whereas even though MS is publishing NG2 no one has outright claimed that there is no PS3 version. See RECV as an example of a first party funded game that saw several console releases.

I wouldn't put much weigh behind that, 2k games and even K. Levine himself said there was no Bioshock for PS3 and we all know what happened, bottom line is if the 3rd party owns that IP, they can find a publisher to publish their game on the platform they want after the exclusive deal with the other publisher runs out or whatever.

Also I thought Capcom published all RECV...

 

[RBH]

I'm dissapointed, Sigma got a 9.3 while Black and NG got a 9.4.....

You shouldn't put too much credence into review scores. They can be useful at times, but they're not the end-all-be-all when determining the quality of the game.

Crackdown got scores below an 8 from various websites, and it turned out to be my favorite game of this gen so far, for example.

 

[MarkRyan]

go back to college, etc.

He has a Masters degree from Yale.

 

[soldat7]

if a game does not evolve in its sequel you cant really expect the same score.

God of War 2? GTAIV? Halo 3? Reviewers tend to be selective of which sequels they'll praise and which ones they won't.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Actually if you give the game a bad score, it's not like he can do anything about it, if you want to call him out, first of all you might not get an interview with him, and second he can either dodge your question or attack you back.

Ah yes I keep forgetting it's acceptable for people in gaming journalism to not have any balls.

EDIT: The scores about games "not evolving" don't bother me because seriously at the rate this gen is going we're going to have reviewers handing out 10s simply because developers didn't completely fuck up their sequels.

 

[WickedLaharl]

there was no loading in mid-combat in sigma.

it was between hidden zones.

yes there was. the loading was completely random sometimes even after installing the game.

 

[BeeDog]

yes there was. the loading was completely random sometimes even after installing the game.

Not really, they appeared more frequently when you backtracked. One clear example I can think of is right after you beat the first boss; backtrack from that room and you'll see loading screens. Otherwise I really can't remember any game-breaking loads.

 

[Speevy]

God of War 2? GTAIV? Halo 3? Reviewers tend to be selective of which sequels they'll praise and which ones they won't.

New generation, new rules.

Also, some gameplay ages better than other gameplay. Ninja Gaiden's gameplay has aged extremely well. Dynasty Warriors gameplay (for example) has not.

 

[Yoshichan]

Great score for a great game.

 

[EverSoTrendy]

Reviewers don't play games, and the ones that do get the boot (Hello Dan Hsu). Knocking points off because the game is a little hard? LOL, no wonder GTA4 got a 10, they must like running through levels with no effort at all. ( Hey look at me, I don't even have to kill that guy I can run past him)

 

[Clevinger]

He has a Masters degree from Yale.

Well... Well... You shut up! He critiqued a game series I like!

 

[Y2Kev]

Ah yes I keep forgetting it's acceptable for people in gaming journalism to not have any balls.

EDIT: The scores about games "not evolving" don't bother me because seriously at the rate this gen is going we're going to have reviewers handing out 10s simply because developers didn't completely fuck up their sequels.

They're already doing that...and in some cases they do it even where the sequels ARE fucked up.

Reviewers don't play games, and the ones that do get the boot (Hello Dan Hsu). Knocking points off because the game is a little hard? LOL, no wonder GTA4 got a 10, they must like running through levels with no effort at all. ( Hey look at me, I don't even have to kill that guy I can run past him)

...What?

 

[Kabuki Waq]

God of War 2? GTAIV? Halo 3? Reviewers tend to be selective of which sequels they'll praise and which ones they won't.

huh? Halo3 GTA4 and GOW2 all evolved. Halo3 had 4 play co-op, stage builder, replay saves and a ton of other crap. GOW2 had much better level design it was NIGHT and DAY from the first game. Tons of bosses much more epic.


GTA4 had new multiplayer mode!! and they COMPLETELY changed up the combat.


edit: NG2 seems they have made some additions but have not fixed ANY of the previous problems.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

You shouldn't put too much credence into review scores. They can be useful at times, but they're not the end-all-be-all when determining the quality of the game.

Crackdown got scores below an 8 from various websites, and it turned out to be my favorite game of this gen so far, for example.

This is why I rarely join review discussions. A review is an opinion. Yeah, they may have some validity when you see a large contingent of shit scores then you are left wondering if this is even a good game or not. I'm reading that people are disappointed with an 8.7? At this point, you are arguing trivial things.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

They're already doing that...and in some cases they do it even where the sequels ARE fucked up.

Well yeah after GTA4 it kind of goes without saying.

 

[Lightning]

Ah yes I keep forgetting it's acceptable for people in gaming journalism to not have any balls.

If you have to be a pompous, arrogant, conceited, jackass to be considered "having balls" then I am sure most would prefer to without and have a little professionalism instead. Something Itagaki completely lacks.

 

[Bigmac573]

Why single out the IGN review without showing the whole picture?

 

[Kabuki Waq]

If you have to be a pompous, arrogant, conceited, jackass to be considered "having balls" then I am sure most would prefer to without and have a little professionalism instead. Something Itagaki completely lacks.

but when you are a "GAMING Journalist" you have to review the end product not the creator.

Itigaki can say what he wants and act like he wants. Jsut because he makes games does not mean he cant be himself.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

If you have to be a pompous, arrogant, conceited, jackass to be considered "having balls" then I am sure most would prefer to without and have a little professionalism instead. Something Itagaki completely lacks.

wow i just went through some of your post history ....man you really have it out for anything on xbox dont you?:lol

 

[Speevy]

but when you are a "GAMING Journalist" you have to review the end product not the creator.

Itigaki can say what he wants and act like he wants. Jsut because he makes games does not mean he cant be himself.

I don't think anyone is reviewing Itagaki, but rather the game.

And the game is good.

 

[Jinfash]

Itagaki is. He thinks he's so cool, completely oblivious to the world around him. He's a rabid fanboy who actually gets to talk to the media and spread his word.

:lol
oh ok lol thought you were calling ME a tool for agreeing with dfyb
i was heartbroken 'til you replied