ShadowKingpin
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GAF would be a massive war zone if Sony actually did something that unbelievably stupid.
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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GAF would be a massive war zone if Sony actually did something that unbelievably stupid.
SRTtoZ
Member
Power cord would have created a controversy, not HDMI as they are standard in most households with HDTV's (and universal, unlike nintendos power adapter).
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
But it would 'make the console cheaper'!
TheSlySoul
Member
I think Sony has pretty much won this gen because they never did anything stupid during the PS4 development cycle.
Doing stupid things will haunt you in the future.
I agree with Nintendo on this one; a significant portion, if not the majority of these chargers would go to people who already have one and assuming they have matched the price accordingly, I think companies should be encouraged to send as little shit straight to the landfill as possible.
The only way I could see this being a problem is if they refresh their charger design and still don't include a charger. That's obviously not going to happen, so the fuss seems a bit contrived to be honest.
The only way I could see this being a problem is if they refresh their charger design and still don't include a charger. That's obviously not going to happen, so the fuss seems a bit contrived to be honest.
Bingo. This is Nintendo's business model now. Continue to shake every nickel and dime they can out an ever shrinking fanbase.
They have no growth or hope for growth, just robbing their whales blind until the first smartphone generation grows up and tells them to get lost.
Bought an XL in the UK 2 years ago and it didn't come with an adapter. I got over it. You all will too. Honestly, it's not the end of the world. GAF appears to be in meltdown over this today. No offense meant to anyone upset by this but it feels like a distant memory to me so I'm not so upset by it. It was shitty at the time but I forgot about it until today
Not really. Some people buying it for the first time. Others selling their old 3DS to afford the new one. Nintendo is limiting their market over nickels and dimes.
This is stupid. You're the consumer. You shouldn't have to 'get over it.' Nintendo should be delivering the product as the consumer wants it. When Microsoft told people to 'get over it' on always online for XBO people lost their shit. Nintendo shouldn't get a free pass.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Cool, so like I said pass the savings on to the customer. At your purchase if you don't need a charger you get a $10 discount, if you need one you pay full retail but get the charger for free. Problem solved.
TheSlySoul
Member
According to some, it may only be sold via Nintendo's website.
I will laugh if it turns out true.
If I remember right, Kodak pretty much went bankrupt due to nickel and dime practices with digital film.
I honestly think Nintendo could be the next Kodak.
Maybe it seems like less of big deal to go ahead and purchase to you since you already have one, but for prospective owners like me, it is an extra hassle. Not to mention that if I buy it anyway, I am voting with my wallet to support the practice. I think people should hold off on buying it if it bothers them. It isn't just about the money, it is about the precedent. The reason given for not including it is just stupid (as has been demonstrated by many comparisons here), and it just reeks of being a cheapass to your customers. It costs Nintendo a lot less to include it than for me to buy it. They are saying they don't value their consumers enough to do that. On top of that, they will sell a stupid electrical cable for extremely gross profit margins.
It is just offensive on so many levels.
Mr_L
Member
Precisely. Blaming this on nostalgia is silly. It's much more a matter of the fact that Nintendo, um, consistently makes highly desirable products (some home consoles notwithstanding). So, when they do something strange or mess up, people become highly critical because they want this thing or that thing, and Nintendo makes it more difficult. They have our attention, but they could do so much more to get our praise.
Winterfang
Banned
How? By buying it at the same price but incomplete?
What about the new consumers? It cost more for them. Are they saying this product is made strictly for people to update their 3Ds and not for new customers. Did they gave up or something? FUCK!!!!!
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
This would only be acceptable if the charger didn't use a proprietary connector.
SRTtoZ
Member
Exactly. I don't think there would be a single complaint if Nintendo said the New XL's were gonna be $189.99 but no adapter, sold separately for $9.99, but no, we know what they are doing here. Cutting costs to increase profits.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Which is why you get Amiibo and they double down on pumping the fans they do have for more money than ever before. That'll be the model the company switches to (alongside the huge uptick in licensing out stuff) as they just accept "we ain't getting to the top hardware numbers again" but focus on the Lifer base they enjoy and how they can be cha-chinged.
Gets interesting when you skip forward another 30-40 years when all those are starting to pop it, but I'd say that gives them quite a time buffer to sort other stuff out.
TRD Mr Blonde
Member
I thought this thread was about the gamecube adapter. I still need one of those.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Hey, every little helps. They'll be after the SD cards next, just you watch out.
If you're an SDTV only owner the Wii U doesn't come with sufficient cables end of. Plus if you wanted to hook up composite (oh god, why would you) Official Wii composite cables were never sold separately.
Your analogy only works here for most people if the Wii U instead of using standard HDMI had a different AV out.
I've been trying to say that all day but nobody wants to listen and wants to have their temper tantrum.
Come to think of it they said a similar thing about "oh we see the XL as an upgrade so you already have it" in Euorpe too. So basically they're using the same PR statements
ZombiePlatypus
Member
This is really freaking weird. Sorry but not getting an adapter with the handheld feels like I'm paying for an incomplete product.
Seriosuly Nintendo how much less am I paying for the n3DS in its stripped form like this?
Seriosuly Nintendo how much less am I paying for the n3DS in its stripped form like this?
Mr_L
Member
There is now a third-party option. Apparently works just as well.
TheSlySoul
Member
That is what I was getting across. You can get the system for $190 or have it bundled with an separate adapter for $200. Same price as old 3DS XL, passing on the $10 savings.
It saves on shipping the console because you can fit handheld in smaller box.
I think it's because buying New 3DS + AC Adapter should cost less than combining the two because of the box size. I still think it's stupid but given how drastically smaller the box would be without the AC Adapter, yeah, it would save on cost buying the two separately. Still pretty damn stupid though.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Hopefully we are all still posting on gaf 40 years from now.. yikes
graywolf323
Member
The Lightning cable thing is particularly bad. I've bought third party cables (instead of paying apple THIRTY NINE DOLLARS) and an OS update has blocked them from working. That is ultimate shit-tier anti consumer stuff, IMO. But then my third party cable could start a fire and incinerate my family, or some other apologist bullshit. Nintendo's thing is atrociously cheap, nothing more. At least it's not somewhat hostile
Apple includes lightning cables with all new iDevices
Jazzy Network
Member
That's full of shit. You are saying a majority of the New 3DS's purchased will be from people who already have one? Hell even if part of that were true, I would say a majority of those people will sell or trade-in their old one which will require them to give up their power adapter. Stop fucking making excuses.
Because Apple doesn't exist right?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Good thing It hasn't dawned on Nintendo that we have 3DS game cases, and carrying cases.
You know what guys? In our efforts to save you the consumer money, we decided to cease a including case with our New 3DS games. In order to keep our games at the $39.99 price point and save the environment, cartridges will now come in a paper sleeve.
You know what guys? In our efforts to save you the consumer money, we decided to cease a including case with our New 3DS games. In order to keep our games at the $39.99 price point and save the environment, cartridges will now come in a paper sleeve.
Without the steady stream of 12 year olds growing up playing Nintendo products, that fanbase will plummet quickly. It won't take 30 years.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Lol dude lets not open that can of worms. They're as guilty of general shit like this.
Huh? I have a billion cables of both the old and new power cables. You know why? Because Apple includes one with every single device.
And if they stopped I'd still be mad because what if I suddenly decided to give/sell all my old devices? I'd have no cables again and would have to pay the ridiculous prices for a shifty 50 cent power adapter.
TheSlySoul
Member
Don't give them ideas. Pretty soon you will see them decide retail costs too much money and put all things digitally by that logic flow.
I am just glad at least the XL stuff works on the new version. It is really shitty to just phase out the regular 3DS though with no explanation. If I remember right, DSi or GBA SP did not make the original accessories for GBA/DS not work.
Oh I totally agree with you that this leaves a bad precedent, I even mentioned it in the rest of the post you quoted. That's why I'm saying that even if you buy the console but are not OK with this decision, you should complain and let it be known.
Edit: I don't have my 3DS XL anymore by the way, I lost it several months ago
That's why I'm getting a N3DS XL. I probably wouldn't be upgrading if my XL was still around.Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I know, I wasn't talking about that - they do include one (as they should). But from time to time they actively block non-Apple cables, so when my included cable broke due to being flimsy as shit, I bought a 3rd party one. An OS update blocked it from working.
Every Apple product sold has an AC adapter or USB cable. You can charge out of the box, unlike Nintendo's new system.
See above.
These adapters cost these companies $2, $3 at most. You're not getting any savings from Nintendo cheapening out on AC adapters.
Nintendo is the only ones making money off this. Anyone tell you otherwise is either lying or grossly misinformed.
The Red Wizard
Member
Not really. You're still equating software that affects the integrity of the console, and therefore has the potential to lead to piracy, to a simple cable.
Do you really think that Nintendo would block third party chargers even though the 3DS XL has been sold for years in the EU without a charger bundled with it?
Who else would buy it really? It clearly is targeted to the hardcore 3DS owners. It doesn't need new 3DS owners basically everyone has a 3DS nowadays.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Apple gives you a charger for every device you buy.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Yea I meant their genrally restricted approach that can arguably feel anti consumer. Not specifically cables. But that's a whole other thread...
TheSlySoul
Member
Yeah, while Lightning cable was a crap move, at least they supplied the new cable.
Most original 3DS accessories now are obsolete except the charger. I think the stylus on the original 3DS was smaller than the XL one.
Now I have a Power Pak that I cannot use at all.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Switching into VR evangelist mode again, theres a good chance in 30-40 years it wont be a case of "no room in pockets for two devices" but your damn face and eyes being plugged into one manufacturer/OS of choice. When that sort of tech company has a monopoly on your fucking vision, I do wonder what room there is for outfits that have nothing in that area or quite simply can't compete.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
Perfect way to die as a company. Guys we don't need new owners.
lol this exactly. The over reaction are laughable. Its a revision targeted mostly likely to current 3ds owners looking to upgrade, but hey this is the nature of the internet.
PhoenixDawn
Member
I can somewhat see Nintendo's logic, but I can't completely agree with it. I feel like having goodwill with the potential customer would far outweigh saving a couple bucks. If they already were going to buy a $199 handheld gaming device, I don't think there would be much difference in paying $3-5 more just to have a charger that should be standard. Imagine parents buying this new XL and finding out it has no charger. They are going to be pissed, rightfully so, and probably will think twice about ever buying a Nintendo system again out of fear of being screwed. The more 'hardcore' people who already have a 3DS and are just upgrading (whom Nintendo say should already have a charger), probably are more diehard Nintendo fans and would probably be willing to buy the system at a $5 markup with a charger. Hell, offer a chargerless bundle directly from your website, Nintendo, but make sure the ones available at retail actually are a complete, working standalone package.
TheSlySoul
Member
Oh yeah, that is a really good point. People complaining about the XL size look silly when the original GB was actually bigger.
Almost forgot about that.
Also don't most GB accessories work with GBC?
Yeah but your comparing apples and oranges. If you want to just bring up all kinds of shifty anti-consumer things up, Apple doesn't require you to keep your old devices to do some outdated physical transfer of your digital goods when you upgrade your device (not to mention an upgrade that they want to entice to keep them in business).
ugh_the_boot
Banned
In Australia our goverment already meddles with games (banning certain games etc) so makes no difference to me. Also when it comes to hardware I think the goverment is always involved because of regulations like voltage on power supplies, manufacturing materials if they are safe to be used etc. You'll be surprised how many things are overseen by governments lol.
I can't ever remember a time when the ACCC (australian competition and consumer commission) did anything wrong by me, infact they have overturned a lot of dodgy decisions made by corporations in the past....so meddle away I say.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
It's just a really shitty precedent. Particularly because it's so petty, mosey people wouldn't complain but it's the sort of thing that adds up when they start nickle and diming in other aspects.