TheDarkKnight774
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Let's predict which item is removed with the next 3ds revision! My money is on the Stylus!
Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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Jazzy Network
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Brian★;147501050 said:
It's clearly all about you and no one else.
Arrogant Bastard
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Brian★;147501050 said:
Nah, I would rather not support this type of business practice.
7DollarHagane
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It goes both ways.
If their surveys and product registrations point to 90% or more of 3ds XL buyers being 3DS, DSiXL, or DSi owners, why go to the expense of including a product that those buyers already own?
That just makes good business sense. I am sure that apple would get away with the same thing with their proprietary chargers, except they charge $30 or more for them.
TheSlySoul
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Stylus is a good bet. Next console is controller because the Wii U Gamepad was a failure and they decided to cut the cost of making it.
I am pretty sure if the next Apple line, they decided "Nah, let's not include headphones or charge cable for our next phone. Also all third party chargers void warranty" the internet would lose its shit.
Arrogant Bastard
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The expense, it's laughable when the expense is less than a $2 on a $200 device.
Why do I get a micro-usb charger with every electronic device? Cause its a cheapass thing to do and anti-consumer.
7DollarHagane
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Do you have one of these style of adapters in your house currently?
Also there are 3rd party adapters on ebay for $3 shipped.
THREE DOLLARS SHIPPED. Of all the things to get upset about.
Firstly, I didn't say that, I said,
and I don't think you can argue against that. You and the rest of yank-gaf are acting like it's a fucking travesty that instead of having to pay for a charger that might not have been necessary, you have the option of getting one or not.
Can you not stand the extra minute it would take to add a charger to your order? Is it because there's some tax on chargers that suddenly makes them cost some astronomical sum? This is such a fucking forced fit of drama, my god.
Jazzy Network
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So can you buy me one? Thanks!
Arrogant Bastard
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Nope, I don't. The last Nintendo handheld I bought was the original DS.
Again, if it is so damn cheap then they can include it like every other company that sells shit.
Shame GAF wasn't up in arms when this happened to Europe 2 years ago. I certainty didn't see 10 Nintendo Am Doomed threads on the front page the day the XL released over here. People are acting like Nintendo have always treated consumers well and now they've all been stabbed in the back. Tell that to the people that bought Wii Speak, the Wii Zapper or the Circle Pad Pro. How about the SNES mouse or the Super Scope. Fuck, I still own my R.O.B. and that only had 2 games released for it :/
Again, not saying what Nintendo has done here is right or pro-consumer but you'd think the sky was falling from looking at GAF today!
Again, not saying what Nintendo has done here is right or pro-consumer but you'd think the sky was falling from looking at GAF today!
Jazzy Network
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Oh yea the option of getting a needed accessory? This isn't phone cases or some shit where you can pick your own style or color or even choose not to have one. This is something you are required to have to even use the product. Hey next time you go buy a car or something, have then not give you the steering wheel. You have the option of buying your own! What a deal!
WrenchNinja
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Lets pretend that is the type of consumer they have (those stats sound like you made them up). They are assuming the consumer STILL owns the product and hasn't traded them in or isn't intending to. A trade in requirement is also handing in the charger.
If it's great business sense, why doesn't every other tech giant do this?
7DollarHagane
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The argument goes both ways- It's cheap so why not include it, it's cheap so why not just buy one.
It's such a dumb thing to get upset about because it's so inconsequential in total.
I see people getting upset about games launching broken or games being filled with microtransactions or games with stupid pre-order crap and I understand.
This, I don't understand. If something like this is enough to get you upset it must be hard to get through all the minor inconveniences of any day of life.
Arrogant Bastard
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Cause it is excessively cheap and anti-consumer.
I know its so dumb to expect to be able to even USE a device without buying an additional item. Crazy times that we are defending this.
Cost breakdown from IHS for the original Nintendo 3DS estimated the box contents (charger, box, packaging, stylus, etc.) at $3.48 back in 2011.
https://technology.ihs.com/389045/
Of course, that's pertaining to the original 3DS, so that wouldn't help much with figuring out the costs of the new 3DS XL.
Still, sheds a bit of light as to how much Nintendo are saving by not including the charger.
So the reason they aren't including an adapter is presumably because most of us already own a 3DS, but when we buy the N3DS, we can't use it in conjunction with the old one because we need to transfer everything over to the new one. That will force us to sell the old one, but we can't do that unless we buy a new adapter. Sound about right?
WrenchNinja
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Why is it dumb for us to be upset about it but it's perfectly okay that Nintendo is doing it?
Why do defenders of this constantly remind us that buying the cables from Amazon is only X dollars?
Constantly reminding us that the cables are super cheap only makes Nintendo excuses for not including them that much worse since the cables are sold at extremely marked up prices at retail.
Constantly reminding us that the cables are super cheap only makes Nintendo excuses for not including them that much worse since the cables are sold at extremely marked up prices at retail.
Winterfang
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The adapter is non brand is 9.99$ at GameStop. That jacks the price of the DS to 210$. It cost pennies to Nintendo to include it, and the lack of it didn't made the price of the DS any cheaper. Also the device needs it to function!!
Unlike something like the 360 controller that works with AA batteries, the 3DS would be unusable after a while without the charger. The consumer doesn't win in any way, they are selling an incomplete product.
Because they sell it to us for way more than it costs them? Are you trying to be intentionally obtuse?
CambriaRising
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It is way cheaper for Nintendo to include one than for anyone to buy one. Bet on it.
In fact, I am sure you knew that already. How could you not? Or are you being intellectually dishonest here?
TheSlySoul
Member
Well yeah, you are right. I think it is mostly I dealt with Nintendo's crap in stride. I let go of the many, many stupid things they have done because I like their games. But you have to admit the last 4 months have been a cluster****. Amiibos, GC Adapter, Smash LE's, MM LE's, and now new 3DS.
It is so many stupid things all at once it is easy to just rage a bit. There should be no reason I need to pre-order to get Megaman. That is dumb. A scalper will buy 50 of them and sell them for $50 each.
At least from what I learned, Gamestop now has a policy to limit 1 SKU per customer on anything limited. I give them credit for that. Nintendo should not be encouraging scalpers.
How many people didn't get something they pre-ordered? I bet it is at least 100+.
7DollarHagane
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I don't have access to any statistics, just like anyone here has no access to any real data, but i'm saying IF nintendo has data that points to such a large majority of their prospective upgraders already having the charger, it would make sense.
Also other tech giants DO this, look at any device that plugs into your TV and there's no HDMI cable in the box. Blu Ray players and streaming boxes don't typically include it on lower end models. Higher end ones will, but lower/mid range models don't.
Even sony and microsoft don't include HDMI cables with newer models of the PS3 and 360. The newer higher priced xbox one and PS4 do, but that's because they're higher priced.
fluffydelusions
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So my last couple Android phones use the same microUSB charger and they still include one...
The best thing we can do is flood Nintendo with Support Tickets
http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/ask
http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/ask
Super Stardust
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same
Jazzy Network
Member
Stop comparing shit like HDMI on a console to a power adapter. The PS3 and 360 comes with some sort of video cables that do make the system work just fine. The 3DS won't even work without the battery charger. Case closed.
Cables used in those cases aren't proprietary formats.It's a point that came earlier in the thread I believe.
Nintendo uses proprietary cables, not the industry standard. No matter how you attempt to spin this, it still reflects negatively on Nintendo. They're being cheap, simple as that.
Winterfang
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Same, my Galaxy S5 includes the new charger but it still works with a MicroUSB adapter, which I have like 5. I understand if it didn't came with headphones but a charger? Give me a break.
They are way overestimating the cost of cables unless Nintendo gets those adapters manufactured in the US or Japan. If those are made in China, which they are, they aren't anywhere near $3.
SariaR_Kokoro
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Wow seriously?
Of course I agree with this decision, I certainly don't need yet another DSi/3DS adapter after having so many. However first time buyers are going to be really annoyed.
I wonder if GameStop will still require you to have the adapter if you trade it in to them. Although, never trade in stuff, you lose so much.
That kinda sucks, I feel for you guys.
Of course I agree with this decision, I certainly don't need yet another DSi/3DS adapter after having so many. However first time buyers are going to be really annoyed.
I wonder if GameStop will still require you to have the adapter if you trade it in to them. Although, never trade in stuff, you lose so much.
That kinda sucks, I feel for you guys.
Revolutionary
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I'm starting to think that some people genuinely don't understand this concept.
7DollarHagane
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It does cost nintendo less to produce a charger than it costs the consumer to purchase one, but the costs to either side are minimal.
Im not saying this is a good move or even an acceptable decision but the kind of anger and reactions its getting is so exaggerated to what the actual end result is.
New 3DS XL is a end of life product redesign. This is probably it for the 3DS line.
Nintendo and Sony do the same thing with their end of life redesigns the PS3 Super Slim and the XBox 360 S - no HDMI cable or video cable of any sort in the box.
That's because this is the time where you cut costs the most to get margins on a relatively low priced product.
So where's the uproar about Sony and Microsoft removing HDMI cables? Because everyone has one. . . . oh.
It sucks...it sucks alot as it generally isn't something you'd think you'd have to worry about. And Nintendo should get some flak for it...for sure,
HOWEVER
It isn't the big deal that people are making it out to be because it is at worse an extra 10 bucks.
Doesn't make it okay but it isn't this doomsday decision that requires like 20 different threads for it.
I'm sorry but it really feels like just another thing for people who weren't really that interested in the damn thing in the first place to get on their soapbox and yell ANTI CONSUMER about. It is an inconvenience that we should have to deal with but it isn't that serious at the end of the day....not serious enough to prevent someone from buying it...because really if 5-10 extra dollars is a big enough of a crime, then you weren't that interested from jump or you should probably stop buying videogames all together because buddy there is a lot of gnarly shit out there.
This new handheld is going to be over $200 after tax. How is that a low end model of anything?
Winterfang
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Is nothing new, it was shitty when it happened to EU customers and it's shitty now.
Arrogant Bastard
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Really? I didn't know that. So if I go and buy a PS3/X360 it will not come with any video cable?
And we're back to the "Why do the other companies get away with whatever they are doing?".
Man this thread is going in circles...
7DollarHagane
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No HDMI, but it looks like RCA cables.
which is a similarly dumb move because can RCA cables really be any cheaper to make than HDMI?
I agree that HDMI is a non-proprietary cable so yes it's made by a variety of vendors but there are 3rd party 3DS style chargers as well so it's not like Apple chargers where only official products can be used safely.
Arrogant Bastard
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So it does work out of the box without the need to buy something to make it work?
So it isn't close to the same is it?
You realize how 100% fucked up it is to sell a new electronic device that cannot be used without the purchase of an integral component like power...
StickSoldier
Member
I'm really surprised at the uproar over this, especially considering it's been like this in other countries for what, the past couple of years? I mean, I think it's a stupid idea not to bring them with adapters in any country, but it seriously doesn't bother me since you can purchase them pretty cheap already.
WrenchNinja
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If they're so cheap, then Nintendo can afford to include one.
