Well Gamefreak doesn't use 3D in the 3DS games so they'd probably actually use the higher clocks
and still put out a game that performs terribly!
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Well Gamefreak doesn't use 3D in the 3DS games so they'd probably actually use the higher clocks
Skittzo0413
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I don't know how fast that switch could occur, but here's the relevant portion from the patent:
It seems to be possible that they'll have an ethernet mode like that, but like you said that could be an issue when removing the console from the dock. Remember on the Jimmy Fallon footage when Reggie undocked the Switch- there was seemingly a pause screen or menu pop-up during the transition. I could see something similar if switching to wifi doesn't take too long.
Schnozberry
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It's fascinating to behold the amount of effort that people will undertake to bullshit other people.
I was watching the giant bomb goty discussion and they bright up an interesting point of discussion regarding the nes classic and artificial scarcity. I wanted to ask GAF if you think Nintendo will create some artificial scarcity for the switch or if it will actually be able to produce and release enough at the actual release?
Okami Haundo
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I didn't have time to read the whole patent so I appreciate the excerpt! I guess we'll have to see how they handle it, but I obviously can't imagine they'd take an approach that compromises either mode. You would need to be able to "Switch" modes on the fly.
As for the Fallon footage, that's an interesting take! I noticed that too and have been wondering what the prompt was for. My initial thought was that the game automatically paused upon being removed from the dock, but I'm not so sure that's the case now. I saw someone suggest that it might have asked whether he wanted to keep using the Pro controller while the console was removed from the dock. That seems like the more likely scenario to me.
DecoReturns
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They already stated 2million for launch and if demand is high they'll ramp up production.
The Nes classic should not be compared to The Switch.
Okami Haundo
Member
Yeah... I'm in line with Deco here, they've been very upfront with how many units they plan to produce for Switch. People need to stop acting like NES Classic is a console and not a novelty item. To assume Nintendo would devote as much manufacturing capability to the NES classic as they would to a full-fledged console is insane.
Let's face it, it'll 90% of actual portable mode use
Skittzo0413
Member
That's interesting, I hadn't heard that theory. Seems plausible to me!
Guardian Monkey
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2 million isn't a lot. PS4 sold 1 million in North America alone the first 24 hours.
I'm assuming of course that the 2 million are speaking of is global.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
2 million may not be alot
If the demand for Switch is crazy people are gonna be crying artificial shortage the rest of 2017
If the demand for Switch is crazy people are gonna be crying artificial shortage the rest of 2017
Skittzo0413
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2 million global by the end of March is their current projection, and while it does sound rather low remember the PS4/XB1 launched in the holiday season where sales of everything are much stronger.
2 million still sounds low though, I hope they have or will revise that upwards.
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Deleted member 752119
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I don't think they'll do artificial scarcity, but I think they'll be pretty cautious with not wanting it gathering dust in store shelves if it doesn't sell super fast in the months after launch. So if demand is higher than they expect it could be hard to find for a while like the Wii was or like the PS4 the first few months after launch.
Okami Haundo
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Oh dear lord, I can already imagine what Gaf will be like if that happens. I think they just went as low as humanly possible with their projection and will "hopefully" ramp that up quite a bit. There's also the fact that they pledged to ship 2 million by the end of March. If Switch launches towards the end of the month, that estimate looks much higher.
1000% fake but I couldn't help but laugh at the theorized sequel title for Destiny to be Beyond Destiny.
With regards to that leak, a lot of it doesn't jive at all with what I've heard. Also with software he's missing 5 games that I know exist, and listed one that I heard existed and was in development for Switch but was cancelled due to very poor sales on the other platforms and bad word of mouth. Also his R* info is wrong based on what I know. I wouldn't put tons of faith in that post, though at least some things are accurate (according to what I've heard) simply by throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Of course I could be completely wrong as well. Time is moving to slow!
SolidSnakex
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I definitely agree there. It seems more like they completely underestimated just how much people were going to want the NES Classic. Here's an article by Business Insider where they talk about how they'd called multiple Gamestops and most received 2-3 new units since launch and others hadn't received any
http://www.businessinsider.com/nintendo-nes-classic-edition-still-impossible-to-buy-2016-12
That's not artificial shortages, that's just poor handling of the hardware. With the Wii, which was selling out constantly, stores were getting a good number of units but the demand was so high that they were quickly scooped up before too long. Given how important the Switch is to them, I can't see a scenario where they try artificial shortages. If there's enough demand for it then they're going to continue to sell out anyway.
I told you guys ages ago that Nintendo underestimated demand in a huuuuge way.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I remember the Wii getting embarrassingly low shipment orders too. I remember when I got mine I was outside gamestop since 4am and they only had got 2...
I worked at Toys R Us during the Wii era. They came in boxes of three to us, so a shipment of two sounds suspect. But I suppose GameStop can break them down and ship to where they want from their own warehouse one by one.
We had 66 at launch. After that most of our shipments were between 18-30 every week or so. They sold out for months as soon as they got delivered. Shit was wild.
We had 66 at launch. After that most of our shipments were between 18-30 every week or so. They sold out for months as soon as they got delivered. Shit was wild.
ArchedThunder
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Same, I love reading wall of text fakes, especially Nintendo related ones.
Skittzo0413
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Finally read that fake rumor. First thing that jumped out at me was him calling the Joy-Con Grip a "Joy-Con Shell". I mean, this information is confirmed yet he still got it wrong.
Anyway, what I never understood about these types of "rumors" is, even if each individual thing he says sounds reasonable (which it doesn't) how in the hell are we supposed to believe that a single individual has gotten all of this information? Does he want us to think he's Miyamoto himself?
Remember though that Nintendo shipped more Wii consoles than any other previous console in history, so I don't think the per-store shipments were any indication of their overall shipment amounts.
Anyway, what I never understood about these types of "rumors" is, even if each individual thing he says sounds reasonable (which it doesn't) how in the hell are we supposed to believe that a single individual has gotten all of this information? Does he want us to think he's Miyamoto himself?
Remember though that Nintendo shipped more Wii consoles than any other previous console in history, so I don't think the per-store shipments were any indication of their overall shipment amounts.
Xdrive05
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Hi, friends! What exactly do we know about the upcoming Switch event in a few weeks? What has been said about it?
Will it be showing off launch games (and verifying launch games)? Will it be price / bundle info? Will it be battery life info? Complete hardware features reveal? Tech demos? Something else?
I don't recall much about the Wii-U reveals to have an idea what to expect.
Will it be showing off launch games (and verifying launch games)? Will it be price / bundle info? Will it be battery life info? Complete hardware features reveal? Tech demos? Something else?
I don't recall much about the Wii-U reveals to have an idea what to expect.
I know someone has already posted a few tidbits but here's a rundown of the LKD AMA from gonintendo
gonintendo said:
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
... I got nothing substantial from that...
Like "new unexpected up", wtf is that supposed to mean
Skittzo0413
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From his ass clearly.
I don't really get how anyone is supposed to believe he can know all of that. Even if he knows some things (which I doubt) putting everything in a giant list like this completely removes any credibility he might have. He's just throwing shit at a wall.
He even suggests that scorporio is called Xbox One Prime. No way this is all true let alone him knowing everything about every company. Ridiculous.
2 million for...half a month seems okay, honestly.
What Nintendo is trying to do (and this is kinda obvious) is keep momentum going through the year-end holiday for 2017. Spring release, E3 hype, holiday stuff. I dunno what they'll have between E3 and the holidays, though. But I hope for some good things.
Since you took the time to make a long post, it would be disrespectful from me to not answer.
Okay, first, time for a bit of fact-check. First, Laura didn't backpedaled for BGE2 as, more than one month ago, she shared some concerns about BGE2 being present during the January Event :
https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/800293411232288768?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
She was merely talking only about the presence, nothing about the game in itself, as she's still completely confident on it being an exclusive (despite everything).
Then, how in the world would you interpret "some indie don't have newer devkits" as "indie support is shit !!" ? You don't know anything in game development (like most people here, including me). If some dev was working on a relatively light game (stuff in pixel-art, like Binding of Isaac Afterbirth for example, which runs already on Wii U) that works perfectly on the July devkit, why would it be a problem if they asks to not have recent and more powerful devkits ? It's a matter of cases-by-cases. We have no details, and speculating furthermore about that point is stupid.
I understand why you would worry about that. I'm not, for my part, as it's releasing in March 2017, and not November 2017. It will compete against 300$ PS4 and 250$ Xbox One. It will be a brand new fresh console, with new concept that will try to elude the fact that it's underpowered. It's releasing at the same price as the cheapest home console on the market right now (the Xbox One), and I strongly expect it to be 50$ cheaper by the end of 2017 (so, you'll likely be able to find 199$ Switch during Black Friday 2017).
Disagree. I think proposing Wii U games as port is a really smart idea. The thing is, it's not because of quality of these gams that the Wii U didn't attract the mass market. The problem was the console itself, and the fact that these games (the one that are getting ported) arrived way too late on the market (one year and a half later for the earliest of them, Mario Kart 8) didn't help either. There's nothing unattractive in Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros, Mario Maker or Xenoblade X. Almost everyone of them actually sold millions units on Wii U (barring Xeno X, which is more of a niche game). It's completely sensed to release them on Switch again, since they proved to be efficient games, that have the potentiel to sell way more if they released on a console that wasn't already dead in the waters. Nobody will think about the fact that they were Wii U games, nobody (in the casual market ofc) will care about it. They didn't play these games, so they will on the Switch.
I think the PS4 proved that enough with all the ports it had on its first year.
You seems to not understand how leaks works. So far, we know where most leaks are coming from : Ubisoft. They're well know to be a leak-machine and that their French studios tend to tell everything to whoever came to them. It's only natural that the first things we heard about were Beyond Good & Evil 2, Just Dance, Raving Rabbids. Do you get what that means ? That means that most sources of Laura Kate Dale come from Ubisoft, thus leaking more their projects than the others.
My point is : you cannot say that because we haven't heard enough leaks means that the support isn't there. Leaks are unpredictable since they are off-planning. They're not official, they're not controlled.
Also, what I bolded is wrong. If you actually look at the leaks, most of them were aimed at the Nintendo games (more specifically : the Wii U ports). So far, we only got 5 third-party leaks, with two games from Ubisoft : BGE2, Raving Rabbids, Dark Souls 3, The Silver Case and Guardians of the Galaxies. The Nintendo games alone outclasses what we know about the software.
We're two weeks away from the event. The games have not been officially announced. There's nothing worth worrying in the fact we haven't heard about portable games on Switch since we have, officially, heard about no games on the Switch. Only a few leaked, but they are in no way describing the whole picture. We only got fragments of the puzzle, but we cannot reconstitue everything from the few pieces we have.
Same as above. Plus, you're being dishonest here. We know that there's a huge change that Inazuma Eleven Ares is coming to Switch. We know that, officially, Dragon Quest X (popular MMO) and Dragon Quest XI (the most popular japanese game of 2017) are releasing on Switch. We know that some strategy-rpg from Koei Tecmo (don't remember the name) is coming.
Again, it would be dishonest to describing the full picture with the few pieces we have.
So, in conclusion, it will be the same as with past attempts at answer : your worries aren't based on rational arguments. You're trying to prove that because we haven't heard unofficially of things, these things aren't there. You're trying to pass as logic that, because we haven't got massive leaks of third-party games, they actually don't exist. Your logic is that everything should leak at some point, where, in fact, it's not the case at all.
Tl;dr : you're projecting yourself waaaaaaaaaaaay too much with these leaks.
Okay, first, time for a bit of fact-check. First, Laura didn't backpedaled for BGE2 as, more than one month ago, she shared some concerns about BGE2 being present during the January Event :
https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/800293411232288768?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
She was merely talking only about the presence, nothing about the game in itself, as she's still completely confident on it being an exclusive (despite everything).
Then, how in the world would you interpret "some indie don't have newer devkits" as "indie support is shit !!" ? You don't know anything in game development (like most people here, including me). If some dev was working on a relatively light game (stuff in pixel-art, like Binding of Isaac Afterbirth for example, which runs already on Wii U) that works perfectly on the July devkit, why would it be a problem if they asks to not have recent and more powerful devkits ? It's a matter of cases-by-cases. We have no details, and speculating furthermore about that point is stupid.
I understand why you would worry about that. I'm not, for my part, as it's releasing in March 2017, and not November 2017. It will compete against 300$ PS4 and 250$ Xbox One. It will be a brand new fresh console, with new concept that will try to elude the fact that it's underpowered. It's releasing at the same price as the cheapest home console on the market right now (the Xbox One), and I strongly expect it to be 50$ cheaper by the end of 2017 (so, you'll likely be able to find 199$ Switch during Black Friday 2017).
Disagree. I think proposing Wii U games as port is a really smart idea. The thing is, it's not because of quality of these gams that the Wii U didn't attract the mass market. The problem was the console itself, and the fact that these games (the one that are getting ported) arrived way too late on the market (one year and a half later for the earliest of them, Mario Kart 8) didn't help either. There's nothing unattractive in Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros, Mario Maker or Xenoblade X. Almost everyone of them actually sold millions units on Wii U (barring Xeno X, which is more of a niche game). It's completely sensed to release them on Switch again, since they proved to be efficient games, that have the potentiel to sell way more if they released on a console that wasn't already dead in the waters. Nobody will think about the fact that they were Wii U games, nobody (in the casual market ofc) will care about it. They didn't play these games, so they will on the Switch.
I think the PS4 proved that enough with all the ports it had on its first year.
You seems to not understand how leaks works. So far, we know where most leaks are coming from : Ubisoft. They're well know to be a leak-machine and that their French studios tend to tell everything to whoever came to them. It's only natural that the first things we heard about were Beyond Good & Evil 2, Just Dance, Raving Rabbids. Do you get what that means ? That means that most sources of Laura Kate Dale come from Ubisoft, thus leaking more their projects than the others.
My point is : you cannot say that because we haven't heard enough leaks means that the support isn't there. Leaks are unpredictable since they are off-planning. They're not official, they're not controlled.
Also, what I bolded is wrong. If you actually look at the leaks, most of them were aimed at the Nintendo games (more specifically : the Wii U ports). So far, we only got 5 third-party leaks, with two games from Ubisoft : BGE2, Raving Rabbids, Dark Souls 3, The Silver Case and Guardians of the Galaxies. The Nintendo games alone outclasses what we know about the software.
We're two weeks away from the event. The games have not been officially announced. There's nothing worth worrying in the fact we haven't heard about portable games on Switch since we have, officially, heard about no games on the Switch. Only a few leaked, but they are in no way describing the whole picture. We only got fragments of the puzzle, but we cannot reconstitue everything from the few pieces we have.
Same as above. Plus, you're being dishonest here. We know that there's a huge change that Inazuma Eleven Ares is coming to Switch. We know that, officially, Dragon Quest X (popular MMO) and Dragon Quest XI (the most popular japanese game of 2017) are releasing on Switch. We know that some strategy-rpg from Koei Tecmo (don't remember the name) is coming.
Again, it would be dishonest to describing the full picture with the few pieces we have.
So, in conclusion, it will be the same as with past attempts at answer : your worries aren't based on rational arguments. You're trying to prove that because we haven't heard unofficially of things, these things aren't there. You're trying to pass as logic that, because we haven't got massive leaks of third-party games, they actually don't exist. Your logic is that everything should leak at some point, where, in fact, it's not the case at all.
Tl;dr : you're projecting yourself waaaaaaaaaaaay too much with these leaks.
Okami Haundo
Member
Yeah... I don't personally "believe" the information, but I love his attention to detail. A lazy fake would have just mentioned things like the Destiny sequel and Battlefront 2, they decided to come up with names for everything and I love it. From Splatoon: ReFresh to EA sports "Anywhere", they at least put some time into thinking about names.
I'll give him credit. Xbox One Prime is a pretty good name.
The disappointing thing at that fake list is that it will make us sad when Nintendo can't come close to giving us that...
I'm currently reading through it and I'm filing it under "Too good to be true" nice creative writing exercise though.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Xbone and Xbone Prime Rib
On a completely unrelated note, Gamexplain actually quoted myself in their last video concerning the Laura AMA on Reddit. Am I famous now ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siPmTxeY1Ek&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siPmTxeY1Ek&
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
No, the disappointing thing is that some random dude on the internet can throw out fake fantasies at you and you can't separate it from affecting your reality.
For me, this was one the biggest red flag in that post. GTFOH with your Xbox Prime.
The thing is, especially in regards to the third party list, that those are the games Nintendo SHOULD be getting onto Switch.
If Switch can run those games even with effects turned down, they should have those games. Every third party game that could run on Switch but isn't there will be a failure for Nintendo.
JStein0222
Member
I'm not even saying this ironically: I 100% support the word Switcharoo being attached to franchises. Mario Switcharoo, Yoshi Switcharoo, Smash Switcharoo.
It's insane, but unforgettable. I love it
It's insane, but unforgettable. I love it
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Should? You know what the Switch is capable of already?
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