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Nintendo Switch Discussion Thread (Question of the Day, Countdown, etc)
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No one is saying it's not feasible, some online only games will be released, it's just not worth it in the case of overwatch.
I'd buy it for the sole reason of playing in bed but a port would only be sold to people who:
-have no PC/ps4/xbone but are still interested a year after release, aka a tiny limited amount of people
-people who own it but would double dip (like me) mainly for portable mode despite having to lose all progress and items and not being able to play anywhere else than in their house, aka another little fraction of people
It's really not much for a game that you can play only when other people are playing it already. It really makes zero business sense.
Had the switch released at the same time as Overwatch that would maybe be different, and then again it's not even 100% sure.
purseowner
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Don't recall. They said they'd consider Dragon Quest Builders though.
Same for me. I'd even say 100% actually.
Yes the producer (I think) did say they were considering.
Interfectum
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Overwatch being online-only isn't what is going to stop it from coming to Switch. For a lot of big developers, Switch is going to have to prove itself in the market before they take the plunge.
If the Switch ends up being a mega seller you can bet it will get RDR2, OW, and whatever else.
If the Switch ends up being a mega seller you can bet it will get RDR2, OW, and whatever else.
Skittzo0413
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I understand what you're trying to say, but it won't work the same with with a Nintendo console. With the PS4 you don't have to explicitly announce third party support from all the usuals, and you don't have to announce games coming in 2 or 3 years because all of that is built into the PS4 ecosystem, since PS4 is the de facto home for third party console games. If a console game is coming out, you can expect it to hit the PS4. So people generally bought the PS4 under that assumption.
The Switch is completely different because Nintendo has not shown the ability to get even a majority of third party games on their platforms. Nintendo therefore has something to prove when it comes to showing off upcoming games even 2-3 years down the road.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
How can you even summarise what I said as marketing when its foundations are the audiences interests and expectations over generations?
PS4 had all the games PS360 owners loved yes, but its adoption was so great due to it being deemed a worthy upgrade to continue playing games on. PS360 owners had confidence on the future third party support of the PS4, due to previous generational trends and PS4 specs justified its place as the beginning of a new generation.
Exactly.
RDR2, Mass Effect and Overwatch are some of the big games from the biggest pubs in the industry: T2, EA and Activision. Combined with previous Nintendo console third party support, how is it not worrying?
Where in the world did I said anything about first or third party games ? I was talking about games in general. Keep that bubble shit to your inner-self, I don't need to read these things. I also never denied that power was a huge factor in why the PS4 was so successful.
It was worse than that. The game was pulled out of stores because of massive connexion problems. I don't know if it ever came back on stores.
That's part of the marketing. The Xbox One didn't sold great despite being a worthy upgrade to continue playing games on, because Sony send a better message about why it's better to play these PS360 games on PS4 instead of anywhere else.
I agree with all you said, maybe I just didn't make myself clear enough.
Of course it won't, because nobody (even the most hardcore Nintendo fans) believe Nintendo will be able to hold a good third-party ecosystem. I don't even remember why the discussion on PS4 started, since it's a completely different case from the Switch.
Okami Haundo
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I've put a ton of time into Overwatch this year and I would 200% triple-dip if it came to Switch, but... As an online-only game, it's heavily reliant on the number of people playing. It makes almost no sense for Blizzard to bring a game like that to any console at launch. If the Switch sells well enough, I have no doubt that Blizzard would consider porting it down the line.
With that out of the way, I have to say that I'm slightly bummed about not being able to buy extra docks at launch. We have a TV in the bedroom and the living room, and I would have loved to move the Switch between the two whilst at home. Anyway... Now I just want to know what games I'll have to pony up for at launch. I know I'll want Mario and Splatoon, but if Zelda is there on launch day I might need to sell an organ or two to grab that + the new Amiibo as well.
Herb Alpert
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RDR2 and Mass effect andromeda probably won't come to switch. This is not a "alarming warning" though.
Switch will perhaps improve third party support on a nintendo platform. It won't magically turn it into Playstation level support.
Remember Matt said not to expect some drastic changes regarding this matter.
Switch will perhaps improve third party support on a nintendo platform. It won't magically turn it into Playstation level support.
Remember Matt said not to expect some drastic changes regarding this matter.
Yes, because a Tegra X1 can surely run Andromeda and RDR2 at 1080p while being close to PS4 graphics at 30 FPS. Sure.
Can any of you understand how this hardware will NOT compete with PS4 and X1 ? It's like asking the Wii to run Crysis 3 at 1080p on Ultra settings. It can't.
By the way :
OBE1 posted his second day of Switchmas :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzE4ZATggmU
Can any of you understand how this hardware will NOT compete with PS4 and X1 ? It's like asking the Wii to run Crysis 3 at 1080p on Ultra settings. It can't.
By the way :
OBE1 posted his second day of Switchmas :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzE4ZATggmU
I don't think any of us are expecting that. People just want those games to show up on the Switch at all (I personally doubt that such games will ever show up on the Switch, but still).
brochiller
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OBE1s video is up. Says Switch VR is real and devs are working on games right now.
This guy is so annoying.
https://youtu.be/AzE4ZATggmU
This guy is so annoying.
https://youtu.be/AzE4ZATggmU
Where in this thread have you read this ? Nobody expect that, and nobody should have expected that.
I think it's best to wait for Laura or Emily to back him up. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was vetted by Laura due to the implied conversation they had after the last video.
That said, I'm not sure VR would look that good with a 720p screen.
I too really wished it could, but it won't. I'd gladly accept it and while ME:A will run on my PC or my PS4 (depending on how my PC can handle it), I'll play Switch exclusives.
Herb Alpert
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Sane people here already know that.
But theoritically they could show up, just with low graphical settings when PS4 get the "high" settings.
I have the impression this has to be stated each and every day. This is about scalability.
Skittzo0413
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Can anyone summarize his video so that we don't have to sit through that two days in a row?
I think it was about how before launch Sony didn't really focus on showing off many games that far in the future, so some people thought Nintendo shouldn't either. But it's not the same situation for the reasons I stated, so Nintendo really should show future games to help ensure that people see continued support over the years, because Nintendo rightfully doesn't get the benefit of the doubt there.
Literally nobody here is asking for graphical parity. Just game parity. Huge, huge difference what with the scalability of modern games.
I think it was about how before launch Sony didn't really focus on showing off many games that far in the future, so some people thought Nintendo shouldn't either. But it's not the same situation for the reasons I stated, so Nintendo really should show future games to help ensure that people see continued support over the years, because Nintendo rightfully doesn't get the benefit of the doubt there.
Literally nobody here is asking for graphical parity. Just game parity. Huge, huge difference what with the scalability of modern games.
GhostTrick
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Even game parity is asking for a lot. RDR 2 just isn't happening. As for Mass Effect, I wouldn't be surprised if the game already was 720p with dips on XB1. Which makes it even harder to downscale on Switch.
Any device can perfectly manage VR. It just depends on what you want to throw at it. Light indie VR games are possible.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Ho I hope he's wrong.
Nintendo shouldn't try to sell VR for now (and IMO, they should never do this)
SmartVR based solution, it was in the Switch patents so we know Nintendo is at least considering it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1325344
Skittzo0413
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Oh I completely agree it's asking for a lot, I'm just saying that is our ideal scenario. Nobody expects, wants, or thinks graphical parity is possible, but we are hoping that one day Nintendo will get all of the third party games everyone else gets. I don't think hardware factors in all that much here though.
Interfectum
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Who is saying this?
what on earth is this video
Okami Haundo
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I think we'll all need to temper our expectations when we see "VR" in relation to the Switch. I'm expecting a glorified version of Facebook's 360 degree videos for the console we're getting in March. If the Switch takes off, I have no doubt they'll go a bit further for the second version of the console.
If Nintendo is consistent about anything, it's that they're still willing to sacrifice their own mainstream success if it means they don't have to share the little nugget of profit they get to cling to.
DrROBschiz
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Yeah I dont care about Switch VR though i might try it at least
VR is fun even in its cheapest form with Cell Phone apps and google cardboard
Man.... I want my Switch like yesterday. My Henkaku Vita is doing a fine job during the transition though!
VR is fun even in its cheapest form with Cell Phone apps and google cardboard
Man.... I want my Switch like yesterday. My Henkaku Vita is doing a fine job during the transition though!
Skittzo0413
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If they can offer low end VR for basically just the entry price of the normal console ($250) with little added cost then why not?
Herb Alpert
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you know, the imaginary guys who expected a PS4 level switch with a 1080P screen with 10 hour battery life and a $199 pricepoint.
I don't think I've seen a VR game that isn't demanding. Some of them already almost looks like PS2 games on an OG PS4. I doubt anyone will bother making ultra-light VR games solely for the Switch.
Unless it's something like Samsung Gear VR. But it has little point for us.
DrROBschiz
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Because of Neck strain lawsuits?
I mean... I know this think is relatively light but it will still be awkward to strap to you damn face at this size
What if? What if, From is bringing a new IP to Switch? That might be the kicker it needs. Just daydreaming I know, but geez.
geordiemp
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It was not marketing that made Ps4 succesful, that was clearly what you said and its just wrong.
When the first COD came out = Ghost (the rumour even 6 months before made GAF explode).... it ran 1080p60 on Ps4, and 720p60 on Xb1. Go read the many many GAF pages of disgust from 360 owners (I was one of them). Every site went nuts over the power differential (and Ps4 was cheaper).
Ps4 just ran games better period, and everybody from 10 year old kids at school knew it, and it still does. That is why it was successful, you cannot just advertise your way to success.
WiiU failure was not about confused messaging, lets face it, it was a toaster and did not run the major mass market games
Switch can be very successful if it can play AAA 3rd party on the go, otherwise it will be a Nintendo fan machine.
I have a hard time imagining how they could do that. To add so little cost, they'd have to use the main device screen as the VR screen and it's just way too large and unwieldy to hang from your face.
Herb Alpert
Banned
Dunno. Cheap VR doesn't sound like a great idea to me.
Skittzo0413
Member
First of all, why do you say that? Second of all, they have filed a patent application for exactly what you just said.
I just don't see how it hurts. I guess if it takes too many developers away from normal games then it might be a problem but it could be a very good way to introduce people to VR who then may buy a higher end device.
LambdaTeos
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mocolostrocolos
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On the vein of Samsung VR?
That's not "gaming VR" tho, it could make that kind of 360° view I guess, but I don't see the point.
DrROBschiz
Member
Dude
This could be a poster boy for "most stereotypical fanboy post"
Can we not turn this topic into.... arguing circular logic where people try to guess market success metrics based on information density you couldnt possibly process
Pricing and brand play an equally, if not bigger role toward sales than power. Source: Wii.
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