Abyss 3DS didn't bomb. It sold in line with the previous handheld ports in Japan and in the west it's one of the best selling games in the entire series.
I believe 8-4 clairified this wasn't the case.
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Nintendo Switch Discussion Thread (Question of the Day, Countdown, etc)
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Nah, it's a shame because it was a good port but they expected 250k copies sold in Japan for Tales of the Abyss and it barely did half that. In the west it might have done okay but not enough for them to localise Reve Unitia or follow up with any other Tales games.
Cuningas de Häme
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I actually thought that this forum tries to maintain some standards, but apparently I've gravely misjudged the whole place.
I am at loss. There is NO place in the internet where one could have level-headed discussion about Nintendo without certain type of people appearing.
Sucks so bad. Well, have fun all. Back to lurking I'll go, maybe I'll check the reveal thread.
I am at loss. There is NO place in the internet where one could have level-headed discussion about Nintendo without certain type of people appearing.
Sucks so bad. Well, have fun all. Back to lurking I'll go, maybe I'll check the reveal thread.
We don't even know which version of DQXI the Switch will be based on.
*calls Father Pucci*
TBH everything I've said I said before the leak.
It has always been a big question what kind of support this thing is going to have and I have always tried to tie my posts dreaming of what Switch could do to the very real ignorance we are in and the many ways 3rd party stuff could not pan out.
This has, again, nothing to do with the leak.
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Edit: This comes with the territory. Nintendo is between mobile and the foothold western corebox gaming has in Japan. Both of these markets can leach support. Ideally Nintendo is in a position to encourage multi platform at a certain level of the Japanese industry and Switch is a device that hemorrhages minimal support to mobile from 3DS.
AquaWateria
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At this point I'm kind of done with Nintendo threads on GAF. I'm use to negativity, I mean hell I deal with it everyday, but GAF is on another fucking level especially in regards to Nintendo. Seriously I've been trying to ignore it but its too much. I hope the people who love spreading negativity are happy now.
I'm going to stay away from Nintendo threads until the January event. I hope by then all this negativity will die down. Who am I kidding it will probably be the same.
I'm going to stay away from Nintendo threads until the January event. I hope by then all this negativity will die down. Who am I kidding it will probably be the same.
It exceeded expectations in the west - especially in Europe.
http://nintendoeverything.com/namco-bandai-considers-tales-of-the-abyss-a-success-in-europe/
I agree, no matter what Nintendo does it's always doom and gloom smh.
Yeah, but as I said we didn't get Reve Unitia or any other Tales games on 3DS so it can't have done amazingly.
Honestly that Namco quote is kinda annoying because it's "Wow this 3DS did well, this means we'll give the Playstation titles more support!"
TheDinoman
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I see what you mean but I kinda honestly see where the negativity is coming from: Nintendo is just coming off of what was by far their biggest commercial failure in the home console market. Naturally there's going to be a lot more cynicism and also pressure on Nintendo's part to turn things around.
I mean, the "doom and gloom" has its place. I think, if we dream, which I do as evidenced repeatedly throughout this thread, it is incumbent upon us to realize that there are ways it could fall apart, ways, in which it has fallen apart in the past as well as new obstacles of the future.
There is calling it a loss beforehand and then there is looking at it critically and seeing both how it may work out and how it may not.
There is calling it a loss beforehand and then there is looking at it critically and seeing both how it may work out and how it may not.
Psycho_Mantis
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Which ones are you talking about specifically because I see this claim brought up often and usually the person only looks at Japanese sales, ignoring how overseas sales is one of the biggest reasons why PS4 gets so much support.
If you're talking about Cold Steel, Falcom specifically mentions overseas sales (and their domestic market isn't going to change too much: 230k -> 180k)
Which is why so much of Switch potential in this regard is about multiplatform: letting developers chase the west on PS4 and Japan on a Switch. If said developer isn't chasing Japan, but content with their niche there and just looking west to supplement, then the Switch has limited appeal. If the developer is looking to be on a portable console in Japan and be on the main console of the west, then Switch has appeal. It is this sort of DQXI calculus that Nintendo has to encourage by lowering the barriers to choosing to do that.
So: a) It needs to sell to Japan, b) Nintendo needs to convince developers of this vision, c) it needs to be easy to port too.
Unless mobile completely takes Nintendo's lunch, the device will sell in Japan through, say, Pokemon, and probably outsell PS4. The more it outsells PS4 by domestically the better.
B is the most dubious at this time, but it feeds into how far A goes, which also feeds into B in terms of bringing in late-comers. Moreover B is going to be diversely attractive to developers. Again, less attractive to companies buckling down on niches and companies pushing for competition with western AAA (e.g. SE with FFXV). More attractive to companies looking to grow domestic audience.
Nothing we have had leaked discounts the possibility of C). More power would be nice, but that could cut into portability and hurt A). Moreover, power isn't the most decisive issue with Japanese software.
Edit: And I'll repeat: Switch is exactly the device, conceptually speaking, which Nintendo should be putting out. Exactly. Is the specs/price ratio going to be exactly right? Idk. But this device has so much potential. Despite that, it is very much still an issue of making that potential actual.
It did 150k and they never gave any projections either. You really need to start looking this stuff up.
It sold over 200k in the west too iirc.
Who is the tweeter though? I want some context. Same as first time it was posted.
AuthenticM
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What are the implications of this?
Seems to be someone who ports indie games to Linux/Mac.
This is like Square "expecting" FFXV to sell 10 million. It's an offhand comment from a producer at Tales Studio.
Meanwhile Bandai Namco actually projected the entire Tales of Series to only do 400k in Japan that year.
http://www.bandainamco.co.jp/en/ir/library/pdf/presentation/en_20110510_Presentation.pdf
So you're just gonna ignore the part about iOS, or... ?
FloweryMarston
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I wonder how many people learned about node size and clock speed yesterday
I'm one of them.
Tbh the first time I heard about "flops" was with the Xbox Scorpio's video.
Fair enough but 400k for the whole series was a ridiculously low projection considering they released Abyss 3D, Innocence Vita and Xillia(which did much more on its own).
calc84maniac
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This is one of the few things that is confirmed.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1326465
I haven't read too much about iOS and games development or games performance, that's why. A quick search brings me to this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9223/gfxbench-3-metal-ios
A comparison of Metal vs. OpenGL on iOS:
I don't know if the situation has changed since then, but reading the follow-up tweets to the one you linked it seems it has not.
Still, it's great that Nintendo is fully supporting OpenGL and Vulkan.
Psycho_Mantis
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I guess its the best option in a post PS4 world but its major flaw is assuming Japanese sales are worth pursuing in all cases. Something like MH and DQ, it definitely is but for something like for instance Valkyria Chronicles it isn't. Japanese pubs are increasingly looking away from the domestic market as the potential in foreign markets is far more rewarding.
So i was thinking, do you guys think it's feasible for Nintendo to publish, let's say a couple of years down the road, something like a Dock Pro, witch actual hardware inside of it, that can output to TVs in 4K? Would make for a nice compromise between being able to follow Sony and MS in the 4K market and releasing a whole new revision of the console too soon and at a higher price.
But maybe something like this would have been already filed into the recent patents?
But maybe something like this would have been already filed into the recent patents?
KratosEnergyDrink
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There are akways certain people who try to turn the direction of this threads into negativity, some are console war fanboys, some work in marketing, some are simply trolls. As long as people respond to these hilarious negative post they win.
Which is depressing as hell: Japanese gaming and Japanese development quality would benefit from most software on the core console of Japan, i.e. the Nintendo handheld. A mainstream Japanese audience is how games can work out of the niches they've built themselves into and be less dependent on being what the west wants or wants out of Japan. This is the way, if there is any, to a different gaming future for Japan, but Nintendo needs to work against the idea that there is no such future. Sony has moved on, and so will many 3rd parties, if they haven't already, absent work Nintendo does to press them to do otherwise.
Nintendo needs to sell that vision, i.e. get Japan on board with the "save Japan" cause Iwata Nintendo took on, starting in GCN days when it was "make Japan Nintendo territory" instead. That cause evolved with Wii/DS and now it evolves again as Nintendo looks at the fact that 1/3 of 3DS sales are in Japan and Japan is where most partnerships it has are. This is the market position Nintendo has cornered itself into, and it could go very badly for them because of it, but I'm also, atm, glad because insofar as they are successful, they are doing exactly what I want to be done in gaming.
KratosEnergyDrink
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No one in their right mind would expect this, for one the 3DS version needs two screens, but there are some slow thinker and trolls at work
I suppose this can go here
https://www.destructoid.com/switch-port-being-considered-for-republique-406417.phtml
https://www.destructoid.com/switch-port-being-considered-for-republique-406417.phtml
the ps4 has not been the ps2 over here when it comes to japanese games. it hasn't even been the ps3.
the situation is tough. if devs were making games for ps vita/ps4, the most logical next step is switch/ps4. the other option is ps4/xb1/steam or ps4/steam, and that will probably be the case for the really big franchises with traditional western appeal like final fantasy and resident evil. all the mid-tier stuff and lower like falcom's games, atlus/sega's games, and nis's games, will find their way to the switch.
Martin5000
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Don't know if posted but there will be a switch event in Germany.
It will be in Frankfurt am Main, Munich and Berlin.
They only have 36 Tickets but you can take one friend with you.
http://www.nintendo.de/News/2016/Dezember/Nintendo-Switch-Fan-Event-1168429.html
It will be in Frankfurt am Main, Munich and Berlin.
They only have 36 Tickets but you can take one friend with you.
http://www.nintendo.de/News/2016/Dezember/Nintendo-Switch-Fan-Event-1168429.html
Also, MyNintendo members in Australia started getting invites for an hands on event in Melbourne
http://www.vooks.net/aussie-nintendo-members-receiving-invites-switch-hands-event/
I wonder when we'll get news for Italy
Movalpolos
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What misery?
Milly Osworth
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A lot of passionate Nintendo fans on GAF, so an easy way for trolls to get attention is to bash Nintendo.
Movalpolos
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I think it's more like they will release a Switch "Lite" to actually replace the 3DS. As it is now, the Switch is too bulky to act as the next dedicated handheld.
Maybe they shouldn't see criticisms of Nintendo as personal attacks (or calling people who have criticisms a "troll", since that's a cop-out), it's not healthy.
mocolostrocolos
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Yep, that's exactly why I'm confident in the Switch. Japanese third-parties do not have a choice here, they need the Switch to be successful, for their own survival.
That's also why Atlus, SEGA and NIS were all on the list released by Nintendo.
Milly Osworth
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Im not talking about criticisms, just the flamish outrage posts.
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