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[akira28]

oh please. knocking on the car window is now grounds to bring up the "oh he's black".

and no, i am not oblivious to the issues today, but every cop encounter is labeled racially-charged that it's ridiculous.

and so now you're labeling any kind of racial component to this as ridiculous playing of the race card, I don't know why you didn't use the cliched phrase. Maybe because it's so goddamned cliche now?

 

[0xCA2]

I watched the video and still can't figure it out.

I couldn't tell in the video but people in the comments are saying that he showed the cop his key card.

 

[Bad_Boy]

I'm glad things worked out for Mr Williams. if there was no camera, who knows what would of went down.

cop beating on the window felt like forshadowing.

 

[MWS Natural]

Accent too thick for me.
Did they clear up why they were bothering him?

PWB.

 

[CrankyKong]

Whats the ratio of negative to positive cop stories?

 

[Jenenser]

Whats the ratio of negative to positive cop stories?

pretty bad.
but understandebal if you think about the fact that a positive story involves the cop doing his job right. so there wouldn't be to much reason to have an outrage or a story about it.

 

[TheSpoiler]

oh please. knocking on the car window is now grounds to bring up the "oh he's black".

and no, i am not oblivious to the issues today, but every cop encounter is labeled racially-charged that it's ridiculous.

It must be nice to be in a race where you don't have to wonder about getting shot or, at the least, harassed when approached by a cop.

 

[Patrol]

Ah yes, someone who found enjoyment out of being difficult for the sake of being difficult. I'm curious to how the interaction came to be... as was it a call for service or a self-initiated stop? Matters in regards to ability to detain someone or being able to demand identification. Calls come in all the time with a suspicious person walking around cars in a parking lot/building or an occupied vehicle parked in front of a house for a long time.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Ah yes, someone who found enjoyment out of being difficult for the sake of being difficult. .

It's funny that I know you're referring to the man in the car. But to me the cops were being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

 

[Patrol]

It's funny that I know you're referring to the man in the car. But to me the cops were being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

What makes you say that?

 

[redmetal86]

Should have been playing this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcJrExewkYA

 

[J10]

orrr, you know, he was trying to do his job.

smh at people cheering for this childishness.

"yeah, show 'em how it's done!" smh.

We should all be rooting for the underdog here. The cop had weapons and body armor and the criminal justice system. This nigga had oatmeal.

 

[Rembrandt]

It's funny that I know you're referring to the man in the car. But to me the cops were being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

patrol is a cop & terrible poster. ignore everything he says in any topic involving police.

how are you not siding when you jump thru hoops and create a clearly implausible scenario based on the video of an awake individual eating oatmeal?

i lol'd.

I love this video and I'm glad it didn't end terribly. he gave no fucks at any period of this altercation and the cops knew they had no ground when it came to their obvious harassment.

 

[WoodWERD]

Ah yes, someone who found enjoyment out of being difficult for the sake of being difficult. I'm curious to how the interaction came to be... as was it a call for service or a self-initiated stop? Matters in regards to ability to detain someone or being able to demand identification. Calls come in all the time with a suspicious person walking around cars in a parking lot/building or an occupied vehicle parked in front of a house for a long time.

Ahhh yes, I was wondering when we'd get the full story.

 

[Messofanego]

Ah yes, someone who found enjoyment out of being difficult for the sake of being difficult. I'm curious to how the interaction came to be... as was it a call for service or a self-initiated stop? Matters in regards to ability to detain someone or being able to demand identification. Calls come in all the time with a suspicious person walking around cars in a parking lot/building or an occupied vehicle parked in front of a house for a long time.

You can't really demand idenfitication unless if there's probable cause for a possible crime, right? Aren't the cops being difficult? And you know this from what exactly, officer?

 

[Patrol]

You can't really demand idenfitication unless if there's probable cause for a possible crime, right? Aren't the cops being difficult? And you know this from what exactly, officer?

I don't need probable cause to demand identification, only reasonable suspicion. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest.

 

[driver116]

I don't need probable cause to demand identification, only reasonable suspicion. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest.

Guilty until proven innocent . It's disgusting.

 

[linsivvi]

Yep. Being black is apparently "reasonable suspicion" to these cops. Sick.

 

[Nightbird]

I don't need probable cause to demand identification, only reasonable suspicion. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest.

I am happy that you are not a Cop, but then again.. you would probably not be any different from most american cops.

This dude was being harassed by the Cop and he was having none of it. Acted the right way.

 

[Patrol]

Guilty until proven innocent . It's disgusting.

I am not sure I follow on the relevance of such a statement. Can you elaborate?

Yep. Being black is apparently "reasonable suspicion" to these cops. Sick.

On what basis do you find this to be racially motivated?

 

[WanderingWind]

I don't need probable cause to demand identification, only reasonable suspicion. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest.

I mean, you don't need any reason in particular to demand anything. But, you know, don't be surprised when people refuse to acknowledge your demands. I DEMAND A THING. Yeah, well, fuck your demands.

 

[TatteredHat]

That cop has no business harassing random people eating oatmeal in their car.

 

[Messofanego]

I don't need probable cause to demand identification, only reasonable suspicion. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest.

Ok, and reasonable suspicion is where in this video?

 

[Patrol]

I mean, you don't need any reason in particular to demand anything. But, you know, don't be surprised when people refuse to acknowledge your demands. I DEMAND A THING. Yeah, well, fuck your demands.

Yeah, they can refuse and heck, they can even refuse rudely, but if there's cause, then that refusal will not do anything to help them. In fact, it will only fast-track their way to a citation and/or county jail. Personal responsibility is key for me, attitude goes a long ways.

 

[WanderingWind]

Yeah, they can refuse and heck, they can even refuse rudely, but if there's cause, then that refusal will not do anything to help them. In fact, it will only fast-track their way to a citation and/or county jail. Personal responsibility is key for me, attitude goes a long ways.

The fact that you think "attitude" should be a factor to how law enforcement should be handled is scary. I really hope you're not a law enforcement officer, both for the sake of your community and your own well-being.

 

[Patrol]

The fact that you think "attitude" should be a factor to how law enforcement should be handled is scary. I really hope you're not a law enforcement officer, both for the sake of your community and your own well-being.

What makes you say that?

 

[WanderingWind]

What makes you say that?

Does it really need explaining that your personal feelings toward an individual shouldn't factor into how you decide to enforce the law?

 

[Patrol]

Does it really need explaining that your personal feelings toward an individual shouldn't factor into how you decide to enforce the law?

Are you arguing for citations to be handed out on each and every basis of violation? Indeed, are you further arguing for no discretion in such handling of violations -- letter to the law in its fullest degree? On what basis would you consider violations to be merely warnings, or minor fix its? Indeed, in the legal system, do you agree that it's important to present oneself in the most professional manner possible, if one does not, that there may be repercussions?

Do you expect LEOs to be objective robots? Incapable of discretion?

 

[A Link to the Past]

Yeah, they can refuse and heck, they can even refuse rudely, but if there's cause, then that refusal will not do anything to help them. In fact, it will only fast-track their way to a citation and/or county jail. Personal responsibility is key for me, attitude goes a long ways.

"Attitude goes a long ways"

So why don't you complain about the cop not explaining anything to the person? Am I to understand that a disrespectful person should be automatically respected because of their job and not because of how they behave?

 

[GK86]

Patrol is a grade A troll.

 

[……forgetit]

I don't need probable cause to demand identification, only reasonable suspicion. Probable cause is necessary for an arrest.

He showed an ID? So basically you can stop and harass anyone want?

 

[Patrol]

"Attitude goes a long ways"

So why don't you complain about the cop not explaining anything to the person? Am I to understand that a disrespectful person should be automatically respected because of their job and not because of how they behave?

I think the officer knew his hands were tied after the individual in the vehicle refused to cooperate hence why he went to the manager to be able to have PC to act; a rookie move. I found the constant knocking to be unprofessional but I can understand his frustration. I didn't find any of his communication to be unprofessional though, nor disrespectful to the driver. I only watched it through and through once, so it's possible I may have missed something.

I think it's best to always take the high road in any situation with a disrespectful person, regardless of who they are. For what purpose does it serve to perpetuate toxic discussion?

 

[A Link to the Past]

I think the officer knew his hands were tied after the individual in the vehicle refused to cooperate hence why he went to the manager to be able to have PC to act; a rookie move. I found the constant knocking to be unprofessional but I can understand his frustration. I didn't find any of his communication to be unprofessional though, nor disrespectful to the driver. I only watched it through and through once, so it's possible I may have missed something.

I think it's best to always take the high road in any situation with a disrespectful person, regardless of who they are. For what purpose does it serve to perpetuate toxic discussion?

So the right to not have to present your ID shouldn't even exist because only an asshole refuses to abandon their civil rights?

The fact of the matter is that the cop can either declare his intentions or fuck off. Only bad cops get mad when they aren't given authority that they're not supposed to have.

 

[Bad_Boy]

I think the officer knew his hands were tied after the individual in the vehicle refused to cooperate

again, it's the the officer who refused to cooperate.

 

[lednerg]

The cop wanted to run the guy's ID so he could maybe find some outstanding warrants or something. He had no probable cause to even approach the car, much less harass the occupant the way he was. His tough guy demeanor in the motel office was the icing on the asshole cake. That cell phone camera probably prevented a beatdown.

 

[Gattsu25]

Yeah, they can refuse and heck, they can even refuse rudely, but if there's cause, then that refusal will not do anything to help them. In fact, it will only fast-track their way to a citation and/or county jail. Personal responsibility is key for me, attitude goes a long ways.

It must be so easy to find cause when you live in fear all the time.

 

[J10]

So many safety issues.

 

[Interfectum]

I think the officer knew his hands were tied after the individual in the vehicle refused to cooperate hence why he went to the manager to be able to have PC to act; a rookie move. I found the constant knocking to be unprofessional but I can understand his frustration. I didn't find any of his communication to be unprofessional though, nor disrespectful to the driver. I only watched it through and through once, so it's possible I may have missed something.

I think it's best to always take the high road in any situation with a disrespectful person, regardless of who they are. For what purpose does it serve to perpetuate toxic discussion?

Why didn't the officer just tell him why he needed to see his ID?

Here's how it could have been handled better by the cop:

Cop: "Let me see your ID."
Man: "Why?"
Cop: "This hotel has had a lot of issues with loitering and breakins, so we're just making sure people chilling in the parking lot are legit customers."

Seems like an easy way to handle the situation.

 

[WanderingWind]

Why didn't the officer just tell him why he needed to see his ID?

Here's how it could have been handled better by the cop:

Cop: "Let me see your ID."
Man: "Why?"
Cop: "This hotel has had a lot of issues with loitering and breakins, so we're just making sure people chilling in the parking lot are legit customers."

Seems like an easy way to handle the situation.

Man: "No thanks."
Cop: "Okay."

 

[Demon Ice]

is this type of behavior accepted by most people? pull out a camera and start acting like a fucking juvenile jack ass in front of cops? what is the purpose of with holding his id card? or answering which room hes staying in? could have probably be done with it in a few minutes if he had complied. instead he turns on a camera to record his bullshit so he can show world star how legit he is.

You're right, that cop was pretty out of line, I'm glad the jackass got filmed. Wouldn't really call him legit though. The cops behavior was in no way acceptable.

Edit: This "Patrol" Junior is a cop? Christ, no wonder America's system is so fucked. There's the mindset right there.

Wish the standards to get a job as a cop were as high as other jobs where people's lives are in your hands. Can't imagine the average schoolyard bully becoming a doctor but apparently they can become a cop no problem.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Why didn't the officer just tell him why he needed to see his ID?

Here's how it could have been handled better by the cop:

Cop: "Let me see your ID."
Man: "Why?"
Cop: "This hotel has had a lot of issues with loitering and breakins, so we're just making sure people chilling in the parking lot are legit customers."

Seems like an easy way to handle the situation.

Exactly. The officer can't even answer the simple question of "why am I being detained/questioned/harrassed?" and it's the dude in the car being uncooperative?

 

[marrec]

I think it's best to always take the high road in any situation with a disrespectful person, regardless of who they are. For what purpose does it serve to perpetuate toxic discussion?

I think the driver did a really good job taking the moral high road (for the most part) with that disrespectful police officer.

 

[Demon Ice]

I think the driver did a really good job taking the moral high road (for the most part) with that disrespectful police officer.

This is true. Driver handled the situation well. Who knows what that cop would have done.

 

[sprsk]

Did someone make a beat out of the knocking yet.

 

[Scully Scully Scoo]

lmao this looks like a parody

 

[Nightbird]

I will not believe that Patrol is not a Troll. A reasonable thinking person can not thinking about defending the Cop and calling the guy an "Individual". No, i won't believe that

 

[onadesertedisland]

I think the officer knew his hands were tied after the individual in the vehicle refused to cooperate hence why he went to the manager to be able to have PC to act; a rookie move. I found the constant knocking to be unprofessional but I can understand his frustration. I didn't find any of his communication to be unprofessional though, nor disrespectful to the driver. I only watched it through and through once, so it's possible I may have missed something.

I think it's best to always take the high road in any situation with a disrespectful person, regardless of who they are. For what purpose does it serve to perpetuate toxic discussion?

Why do officers go through hoops in order to get a reason to arrest someone after their authority has been challenged? What benefit does society have in the law being dictated by whether or not a boot has been kissed? Police should serve as actors for society, not as a detached organization of violence with its own motives.

 

[Dice]

I mean, it's possible he is a troll, since the only thing he does on GAF is post in topics about police officers. Then again, maybe he is just a bored cop who for some reason decided that this would be his place to white knight for his comrades.

Spoiler

He could also have another account that he uses to post about other stuff, and this is his "safe" account for debating stuff related to cops.

 

[onadesertedisland]

Why didn't the officer just tell him why he needed to see his ID?

Here's how it could have been handled better by the cop:

Cop: "Let me see your ID."
Man: "Why?"
Cop: "This hotel has had a lot of issues with loitering and breakins, so we're just making sure people chilling in the parking lot are legit customers."

Seems like an easy way to handle the situation.

I think the police presence alone will deter most crimes of opportunity. If the guy is sitting in his car I doubt that he will suddenly decide to do something in plain sight of an officer. Why did the officer go up to the car. If the guy is up to no good, how about just standing back and staring at the guy, I think that would persuade any wrong-doer to choose somewhere else. The whole disrespect thing that officers let get to them causes calm situations to blow up and for people to die. Disrespect towards an officer is not against the law as far as I know.

 

[Bodacious]

That cop has no business harassing random people eating oatmeal in their car.

I guess it all depends on whether the officer was just acting of his own volition for shits n giggles, or if he'd been dispatched there based on a civilian complaint. If, for example, the hotel had called for the police because the guy had been in his car in their parking lot for hours and wasn't recognized as a guest (there's a reason they ask your car's make/model/plate when you check in), then there'd have been reason to approach and investigate. Of course the video can't answer the question of why the police initially approached him, so people will fill in the blanks based on the subjective biases. But despite the video-maker's claim at the beginning that he's just minding his own business, he is on private property.